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I like Prechtel's game, always have. She's not a low post banger, but she can do that, too. But a high post passer and shooter is what she does best.
 
bballnut90 said:
Brink happened and took her spot/minutes, and then fighting for playing time with Betts/Prechtel/Iriafen also reduced minutes. I hope Belibi grad transfers somewhere, she could be a huge force at another program. Duke could be a good fit with her academic background. She could also play overseas but I don't think she's a WNBA caliber player. Coming out of HS she talked about wanting to become a doctor (she had a near perfect GPA/test scores in HS) though if she goes the med school route, basketball is probably over for her.
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Just because you don't get starter minutes, that doesn't mean you still can't develop as a player over a 4 year college career.

Betts barely arrived this season and is a true center; her arrival shouldn't really have had an impact on Belibi's playing time or development. Prechtel doesn't even play much in the paint; all she wants to do is launch 3-pointers; completely different skill set than Belibi.
 
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Wow, looking at stats for Stanford is interesting. If you ever asked "Can you have too many front court players?," I think the answer was yes for them. Jones and Brink averaged 33 and 25 minutes. After that it drops sharply. Iriafen started most of the year, but only averaged 12 minutes. Betts and Belibi both about 10 minutes, and Prechtel 8. I was surprised by Iriafen's lack of production after how good she looked at the beginning of the year, but it's hard to do too much when you're hardly on the court. They probably would've been better off with 1 or even 2 less players to try to work into the rotation.
 
southie said:
Just because you don't get starter minutes, that doesn't mean you still can't developer as a player over a 4 year college career.

Betts barely arrived this season and is a true center; her arrival shouldn't really have had an impact on Belibi's playing time or development. Prechtel doesn't even play much in the paint; all she wants to do is launch 3-pointers; completely different skill set than Belibi.
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I've been following both of these players for years: Belibi is a tweener forward at best who never really developed her offensive skills in either area. And, to be frank, she's not terribly physical on the 50-50 front. Prechtel is more than a 3-pt. launcher. She can play defense and block shots, but this is another instance to seemingly reaching her peak (at least for Stanford) early in her career. Frankly, I was hoping she'd hit the portal trail to South Bend for one year, but it appears she's going pro.
 
You know, for a guy who lives in the town Yogi Berra adopted as his hometown, I can say this: the Stanford-Ole Miss game was deja vu all over again. Why? I had seen another team from the Magnolia State -- Mississippi State -- follow the same game plan against Notre Dame. And it was another 5-pt. game, but in the case of ND, they won it.

Sam Purcell devised an aggressive game plan and unleashed it: wear Soni Citron down (sound familiar?) and attack/pester the other ND ballhandlers constantly. Since ND has a short roster to begin with, there weren't a lot of options for Coach Ivey, so even though the Bulldogs often had 4 guards in, she kept two bigs in all the time: most notably Lauren Ebo and Maddy Westbeld. And those two probably carried the day for the Irish by rebounding (18 for Ebo, 15 for Westbeld), defending (Ebo on Carter and blocking 5 shots, Westbeld on weakside help) and clogging the lane in the 2nd half. Citron kept her cool on defense (4 steals) and hitting crucial FT's down the stretch.

I bring this up because if Tara wasn't getting the guard play she needed, I thought she should've gone big and helped out Brink, not just on offense, but defense. Jones is a good enough point forward to get the ball to, say, Brink and Prechtel. But it didn't happen. Not even tried.

Tara gave an interview earlier this month on Betts saying how she uses certain players a lot one game and might not be there the next. Well, theoretically that sounds plausible, but in reality it's Brink, Jump, Jones and a rotating cast that didn't gel. And a bit disengaged....one thing I can say about the Irish is they are desperate and played like it. Heck, high school senior Cassan Prosper was in the defensive posture we all learned and smacking her hands and the floor. Ebo...not a small person...was hitting the floor for loose balls. Needed passion against Purcell's team. So did Stanford.

Will be really interesting to see personnel usages by the Cardinal next year.

(BTW, kudos to Sam Purcell of Mississippi State. What a good run by the Bulldogs with a team he stitched together from returnees, those who had taken a year off and transfers. And he comported himself with class. Really won over the South Bend crowd.)
 
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OldSchooler said:
And the last 2 minutes of every close game take forever -- just like the NBA.
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Or the guys. Or the NFL.
Hell, be like the NHL...have a centralized center make the decision and get back to them. Done. Move on.
 
Littlemin said:
I did not see the game but the box score reads pretty ugly to me. Combined the two teams shot 31% from the floor with 15 assists and 38 turnovers so that must have been the most fantastically stupendous defensive performance of all time by both teams to have been considered a great game.
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I'm a fan of points. Usually, these types of games are boring to me. But this game was different.

You can see Ole Miss's athleticism is off-the-charts. And you know Stanford's guards are at times "questionable" (trying to be neutral here with that word instead of harsh.).

SO, the excitement from the game came from the freaky athletic team vs two big time all-Americans. The excitement further came out to see fi the two A/A's could literally will their team. What was also fascinating is that both these terrific players seemed to only be able to score in the 4th qtr if they had a short bank shot or got fouled.

And as what was pointed out in this thread, Brink was especially heroic. Not only that, she made the game exciting because you could hear her on TV screaming for the ball when she had low post position several times -- or other times when she missed an easy layup. She was sort of the center of attention in the 4th quarter and she was bleeding with emotion with the ball and without., You're feeling her intensity and to see if she could be great enough to will her team to win. At the other end she's grabbing rebounds and blocking shots. I think she had 7?

And with that said, at the other end, you could both see and feel Ole Miss crumbling offensively because they were so nervous. SO, the expectation was that you keep glued to see the seat because Stanford was going to keep coming with their two A/A's. SO just watching Ole Miss so nervous. Heck if you can watch their last possession, their pg was so nervous she had a bit of an open jumper and she just didn't even set her feet and just flung the ball up toward the rim. But at the other end, they kept playing such inspired defense.

The game in no way was artistic but as a college game- a fascinating and fun watch. The 2 super players almost pulled it out in which one as running on fumes from being sick, while the other team was freakish athletically on defense but you could see them crumbling offensively before your eyes. And you would keep saying if a Stanford fan- "Get the ball to Brink . . ."
 
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bovwa10 said:
Why she was reduced to benchwarmer status this year is beyond me
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Who's minutes was she gonna take? Like I said above, they had too many options and not enough playing time to go around. She was by far the least productive and least efficient of the players in the post rotation.
 
bballnut90 said:
Clark I'd take over anyone. 2 years ago I would've taken Paige over her, but Paige a tough one since she's been quite injury prone. I'd probably risk it and take her over Brink since she's another really unique talent and has a knack for seizing big moments. Both her and Clark are possibly the best guard prospects since Taurasi IMO.

Brink would slotted at 3rd, I think she's going to be a great pro with her length and face up game. Reese is another really intriguing prospect, though her game needs some refinement. Realistically I could see all 4 returning for a 5th season though.
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I'll suggest since Sue, the GOAT point guard. Paige and Caitlin are more scoring conscious than Sue was (hard to say was:() but they seem more like Sue than DT.

I'm with you on your order of drafting preference and your reasons.

Angel's got all the tools but doesn't yet know how to use them consistently. Good chance she'll get there with good coaching right at hand.
 
I didn't realize Iriafen ended up only averaging 12 mpg. That's crazy considering her start to the season. I wonder if Stanford will be effected by the portal?
 
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Dillon77 said:
Citron kept her cool on defense (4 steals) and hitting crucial FT's down the stretch.

I bring this up because if Tara wasn't getting the guard play she needed, I thought she should've gone big and helped out Brink, not just on offense, but defense. Jones is a good enough point forward to get the ball to, say, Brink and Prechtel. But it didn't happen.
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ND has a better mix of talent than Stanford for such an exigency. Mainly, Tara has no one comparable to Citron, who actually is the effective big guard that people imagine Jones could have been. They’re the same size, though Haley is probably a bit stronger. But Citron’s handles and perimeter shot are simply better. And with Bransford, Prosper, Westbeld and Ebo/Watson it’s just a better mix — stronger, more mobile and more suited to each other. When Miles returns next season and Bransford and Prosper have a little more seasoning, I think ND will have one of the best big guard-wing combos in D1. I don’t know what they’ll do about the post though.
 
Reypl21 said:
I didn't realize Iriafen ended up only averaging 12 mpg. That's crazy considering her start to the season. I wonder if Stanford will be effected by the portal?
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They have been practically transfer proof other than a few grads who maybe didn't have a scholarship available at Stanford anymore.
 
bballnut90 said:
Cooke goes ice cold, but SC is just so much bigger and more athletic. I know Ole Miss pushed them to overtime but I don't see that happening again.
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And deep. I expect Dawn continues to play the entire roster. Bench scored 41 and 30 in the first weekend.
 
nwhoopfan said:
They have been practically transfer proof other than a few grads who maybe didn't have a scholarship available at Stanford anymore.
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Very true, that Stanford education is valuable.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Who's minutes was she gonna take? Like I said above, they had too many options and not enough playing time to go around. She was by far the least productive and least efficient of the players in the post rotation.
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I think Tara could’ve/should’ve started Prechtel with Brink and Jones, given that both Prechtel and Brink are decent midrange shooters
 
bballnut90 said:
Clark I'd take over anyone. 2 years ago I would've taken Paige over her, but Paige a tough one since she's been quite injury prone. I'd probably risk it and take her over Brink since she's another really unique talent and has a knack for seizing big moments. Both her and Clark are possibly the best guard prospects since Taurasi IMO.

Brink would slotted at 3rd, I think she's going to be a great pro with her length and face up game. Reese is another really intriguing prospect, though her game needs some refinement. Realistically I could see all 4 returning for a 5th season though.
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Personally, I would have to go with the skilled 6-5 shot blocking big. Two years ago I would have said Paige. It may change again depending on what happens next year. As of right now I would go : (1) Brink, Clark, Paige, Reese, and the wild card would be Cardoso. Cardoso will probably be the focal point of SC next year. This summer will be very important for her.
 
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When a team shows you who it is, you should believe them. The Stanford S Carolina game in November told us everything we needed to know. I said it then and I'll say it again. They're fragile. If they make just 1 of the many missed bunnies/layups it's their game. Credit to Brink & Jones for basically playing 2 on 5.

I don't understand how a team can be so unstable at this point in the season. The seeming lack of mental conditioning (both this year and at times in the past) is just shocking.
 
bovwa10 said:
I think Tara could’ve/should’ve started Prechtel with Brink and Jones, given that both Prechtel and Brink are decent midrange shooters
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Prechtel shot a measly 35% overall this year. I don't know what happened, but she wasn't the same player she was earlier in her career. Would she have played better with increased minutes? That's hard to say, but all of the other players she was competing with were more productive in the minutes they got.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Who's minutes was she gonna take? Like I said above, they had too many options and not enough playing time to go around. She was by far the least productive and least efficient of the players in the post rotation.
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Disagree. You can only be judged to be "least productive" (even with stats) if you don't get a chance to be productive. And Tara's yin-yang approach to playing time this winter was counter-productive in my mind. She's not Brink, but could've been a solid center for oh-so-many teams.
 
Bone Dog said:
ND has a better mix of talent than Stanford for such an exigency. Mainly, Tara has no one comparable to Citron, who actually is the effective big guard that people imagine Jones could have been. They’re the same size, though Haley is probably a bit stronger. But Citron’s handles and perimeter shot are simply better. And with Bransford, Prosper, Westbeld and Ebo/Watson it’s just a better mix — stronger, more mobile and more suited to each other. When Miles returns next season and Bransford and Prosper have a little more seasoning, I think ND will have one of the best big guard-wing combos in D1. I don’t know what they’ll do about the post though.
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Good point about Citron and crew.

BW, the Irish will also have 6'1" Emma Risch and if you're old enough to remember the sharp shooter Alicia Ratay, that's who she reminds me of. Plus, "the queen" speedy+ PG Hannah Hidalgo will also come to back up and play with Miles.

As for the post, I think Coach Ivey will have to hit the portal again to join Kylee Watson. I was kinda hoping Ashen Prechtel might be interested in spending a year there....alas. ;)
 
Dillon77 said:
Disagree. You can only be judged to be "least productive" (even with stats) if you don't get a chance to be productive. And Tara's yin-yang approach to playing time this winter was counter-productive in my mind. She's not Brink, but could've been a solid center for oh-so-many teams.
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I get you, but everyone else vying for those minutes played better than her this year. She did nothing to earn more PT. Whoever you sit, people will be asking "why didn't she play more?" It's what I keep saying, Stanford simply had too many players in their post rotation.
 
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TheGOAT23 said:
Stanford: Notre Dame’s farm league team. Who will they call up? :rolleyes::D
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Other than Dodson, I don't think they've gotten a whole lot of mileage out of their Stanford transfers. Thompson got hurt of course, so she didn't have much opportunity.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Other than Dodson, I don't think they've gotten a whole lot of mileage out of their Stanford transfers. Thompson got hurt of course, so she didn't have much opportunity.
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It's been Thompson, Sniezek, and Dodson right? Dodson was really good, I'm surprised she couldn't be that good at Stanford as she was at ND. I think ND has done pretty good developing their post transfers, although I didn't watch Ebo at Texas. I too was hoping for a Prechtel or Belibi at ND for a grad transfer. Holding onto the idea of another Cardinal rejoining some USA teammates, but that's unlikely.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Who's minutes was she gonna take? Like I said above, they had too many options and not enough playing time to go around. She was by far the least productive and least efficient of the players in the post rotation.
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I do think Ash could have been valuable in several of the losses we suffered. I think her size alongside Cam would have given OM some issues as well if she played a little more. I think her experience would have been better to have on the floor over Betts during losses.
 
The deacon said:
I'll suggest since Sue, the GOAT point guard. Paige and Caitlin are more scoring conscious than Sue was (hard to say was:() but they seem more like Sue than DT.

I'm with you on your order of drafting preference and your reasons.

Angel's got all the tools but doesn't yet know how to use them consistently. Good chance she'll get there with good coaching right at hand.
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Clark reminds me more of Ionescu but is a better all around scorer and has more range. Agree about Bueckers being like a better scoring version of Bird, though I think Paige can put a team on her back and carry them in a way I never saw from Bird which makes her upside scary good. Agree about Angel, I think she'll get there. She definitely seems to have the drive and motivation. This is a loaded class of players.
 
At the beginning of the year, on this very board, I said Stanford was vastly overrated because of:

1. No PG
2. No Shooting

I was taken to the cleaners by many posters who assured me that Haley Jones(the most overrated WCBB player in the last 20 years) coud play point forward and that Hannah Jump would make so many 3's.

Well, here we are.....
 
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