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Clark I'd take over anyone. 2 years ago I would've taken Paige over her, but Paige a tough one since she's been quite injury prone. I'd probably risk it and take her over Brink since she's another really unique talent and has a knack for seizing big moments. Both her and Clark are possibly the best guard prospects since Taurasi IMO.

Brink would slotted at 3rd, I think she's going to be a great pro with her length and face up game. Reese is another really intriguing prospect, though her game needs some refinement. Realistically I could see all 4 returning for a 5th season though.
I'll suggest since Sue, the GOAT point guard. Paige and Caitlin are more scoring conscious than Sue was (hard to say was:() but they seem more like Sue than DT.

I'm with you on your order of drafting preference and your reasons.

Angel's got all the tools but doesn't yet know how to use them consistently. Good chance she'll get there with good coaching right at hand.
 
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I didn't realize Iriafen ended up only averaging 12 mpg. That's crazy considering her start to the season. I wonder if Stanford will be effected by the portal?
 
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Citron kept her cool on defense (4 steals) and hitting crucial FT's down the stretch.

I bring this up because if Tara wasn't getting the guard play she needed, I thought she should've gone big and helped out Brink, not just on offense, but defense. Jones is a good enough point forward to get the ball to, say, Brink and Prechtel. But it didn't happen.
ND has a better mix of talent than Stanford for such an exigency. Mainly, Tara has no one comparable to Citron, who actually is the effective big guard that people imagine Jones could have been. They’re the same size, though Haley is probably a bit stronger. But Citron’s handles and perimeter shot are simply better. And with Bransford, Prosper, Westbeld and Ebo/Watson it’s just a better mix — stronger, more mobile and more suited to each other. When Miles returns next season and Bransford and Prosper have a little more seasoning, I think ND will have one of the best big guard-wing combos in D1. I don’t know what they’ll do about the post though.
 

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I didn't realize Iriafen ended up only averaging 12 mpg. That's crazy considering her start to the season. I wonder if Stanford will be effected by the portal?
They have been practically transfer proof other than a few grads who maybe didn't have a scholarship available at Stanford anymore.
 
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Cooke goes ice cold, but SC is just so much bigger and more athletic. I know Ole Miss pushed them to overtime but I don't see that happening again.
And deep. I expect Dawn continues to play the entire roster. Bench scored 41 and 30 in the first weekend.
 
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They have been practically transfer proof other than a few grads who maybe didn't have a scholarship available at Stanford anymore.
Very true, that Stanford education is valuable.
 
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Who's minutes was she gonna take? Like I said above, they had too many options and not enough playing time to go around. She was by far the least productive and least efficient of the players in the post rotation.
I think Tara could’ve/should’ve started Prechtel with Brink and Jones, given that both Prechtel and Brink are decent midrange shooters
 
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Clark I'd take over anyone. 2 years ago I would've taken Paige over her, but Paige a tough one since she's been quite injury prone. I'd probably risk it and take her over Brink since she's another really unique talent and has a knack for seizing big moments. Both her and Clark are possibly the best guard prospects since Taurasi IMO.

Brink would slotted at 3rd, I think she's going to be a great pro with her length and face up game. Reese is another really intriguing prospect, though her game needs some refinement. Realistically I could see all 4 returning for a 5th season though.
Personally, I would have to go with the skilled 6-5 shot blocking big. Two years ago I would have said Paige. It may change again depending on what happens next year. As of right now I would go : (1) Brink, Clark, Paige, Reese, and the wild card would be Cardoso. Cardoso will probably be the focal point of SC next year. This summer will be very important for her.
 
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When a team shows you who it is, you should believe them. The Stanford S Carolina game in November told us everything we needed to know. I said it then and I'll say it again. They're fragile. If they make just 1 of the many missed bunnies/layups it's their game. Credit to Brink & Jones for basically playing 2 on 5.

I don't understand how a team can be so unstable at this point in the season. The seeming lack of mental conditioning (both this year and at times in the past) is just shocking.
 

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I think Tara could’ve/should’ve started Prechtel with Brink and Jones, given that both Prechtel and Brink are decent midrange shooters
Prechtel shot a measly 35% overall this year. I don't know what happened, but she wasn't the same player she was earlier in her career. Would she have played better with increased minutes? That's hard to say, but all of the other players she was competing with were more productive in the minutes they got.
 

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Who's minutes was she gonna take? Like I said above, they had too many options and not enough playing time to go around. She was by far the least productive and least efficient of the players in the post rotation.
Disagree. You can only be judged to be "least productive" (even with stats) if you don't get a chance to be productive. And Tara's yin-yang approach to playing time this winter was counter-productive in my mind. She's not Brink, but could've been a solid center for oh-so-many teams.
 

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ND has a better mix of talent than Stanford for such an exigency. Mainly, Tara has no one comparable to Citron, who actually is the effective big guard that people imagine Jones could have been. They’re the same size, though Haley is probably a bit stronger. But Citron’s handles and perimeter shot are simply better. And with Bransford, Prosper, Westbeld and Ebo/Watson it’s just a better mix — stronger, more mobile and more suited to each other. When Miles returns next season and Bransford and Prosper have a little more seasoning, I think ND will have one of the best big guard-wing combos in D1. I don’t know what they’ll do about the post though.
Good point about Citron and crew.

BW, the Irish will also have 6'1" Emma Risch and if you're old enough to remember the sharp shooter Alicia Ratay, that's who she reminds me of. Plus, "the queen" speedy+ PG Hannah Hidalgo will also come to back up and play with Miles.

As for the post, I think Coach Ivey will have to hit the portal again to join Kylee Watson. I was kinda hoping Ashen Prechtel might be interested in spending a year there....alas. ;)
 

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Disagree. You can only be judged to be "least productive" (even with stats) if you don't get a chance to be productive. And Tara's yin-yang approach to playing time this winter was counter-productive in my mind. She's not Brink, but could've been a solid center for oh-so-many teams.
I get you, but everyone else vying for those minutes played better than her this year. She did nothing to earn more PT. Whoever you sit, people will be asking "why didn't she play more?" It's what I keep saying, Stanford simply had too many players in their post rotation.
 

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Stanford: Notre Dame’s farm league team. Who will they call up? :rolleyes::D
Other than Dodson, I don't think they've gotten a whole lot of mileage out of their Stanford transfers. Thompson got hurt of course, so she didn't have much opportunity.
 
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Other than Dodson, I don't think they've gotten a whole lot of mileage out of their Stanford transfers. Thompson got hurt of course, so she didn't have much opportunity.
It's been Thompson, Sniezek, and Dodson right? Dodson was really good, I'm surprised she couldn't be that good at Stanford as she was at ND. I think ND has done pretty good developing their post transfers, although I didn't watch Ebo at Texas. I too was hoping for a Prechtel or Belibi at ND for a grad transfer. Holding onto the idea of another Cardinal rejoining some USA teammates, but that's unlikely.
 
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Who's minutes was she gonna take? Like I said above, they had too many options and not enough playing time to go around. She was by far the least productive and least efficient of the players in the post rotation.

I do think Ash could have been valuable in several of the losses we suffered. I think her size alongside Cam would have given OM some issues as well if she played a little more. I think her experience would have been better to have on the floor over Betts during losses.
 

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I'll suggest since Sue, the GOAT point guard. Paige and Caitlin are more scoring conscious than Sue was (hard to say was:() but they seem more like Sue than DT.

I'm with you on your order of drafting preference and your reasons.

Angel's got all the tools but doesn't yet know how to use them consistently. Good chance she'll get there with good coaching right at hand.
Clark reminds me more of Ionescu but is a better all around scorer and has more range. Agree about Bueckers being like a better scoring version of Bird, though I think Paige can put a team on her back and carry them in a way I never saw from Bird which makes her upside scary good. Agree about Angel, I think she'll get there. She definitely seems to have the drive and motivation. This is a loaded class of players.
 
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At the beginning of the year, on this very board, I said Stanford was vastly overrated because of:

1. No PG
2. No Shooting

I was taken to the cleaners by many posters who assured me that Haley Jones(the most overrated WCBB player in the last 20 years) coud play point forward and that Hannah Jump would make so many 3's.

Well, here we are.....
 

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and that Hannah Jump would make so many 3's.
She made 100 this year. She did her part. The problem was the rest of the team. Next highest was 32.


You wanna know something funny? Stanford has more made 3s than UConn, 240-210. Maybe made 3's isn't the be all and end all?
 
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Unless they are a one person team, i don’t think i criticized Brink. She was pretty much the only player Miss couldn’t handle. What more do you think she could have done that she didn’t do? Her illness didn’t seem to do anything thst compromised Stanford. Their backcourt was terrible handling defensive pressure. .
Think I misread. Thought you were saying “they both looked terrible on offense” meaning brink and Jones. Were you just talking about both teams? My mistake in that case!
 
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She made 100 this year. She did her part. The problem was the rest of the team. Next highest was 32.


You wanna know something funny? Stanford has more made 3s than UConn, 240-210. Maybe made 3's isn't the be all and end all?
Its not about how many she made, its about how many shooters Stanford had. By trying to prove me wrong, you actually proved me right. She did her part, sure. But one shooter doesn't work. Especially when said shooter can't create her own shot and has no PG to get her the ball.
 

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Its not about how many she made, its about how many shooters Stanford had. By trying to prove me wrong, you actually proved me right. She did her part, sure. But one shooter doesn't work. Especially when said shooter can't create her own shot and has no PG to get her the ball.
I really don't think I did. Stanford made more 3's than UConn, so making 3's wasn't their biggest problem this year. UConn's breakdown goes from Senechal's 72 to Muhl's 36. Pretty similar to Stanford, no? Stanford had 4 players that made 20 or more, UConn had 5. That's real close. I could give you the PG part, but absolutely not the 3 point shooting.
 
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At the beginning of the year, on this very board, I said Stanford was vastly overrated because of:

1. No PG
2. No Shooting

I was taken to the cleaners by many posters who assured me that Haley Jones(the most overrated WCBB player in the last 20 years) coud play point forward and that Hannah Jump would make so many 3's.

Well, here we are.....
I think Jones is a great player, but it didn’t help that she was played extremely out of position during her final two years at Stanford
 

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