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Okay I’m off the Ollie train

Huskybass said:
I ask this question with sincerity. Is there a single person on here who is still on the KO train? If so, what makes you believe he can turn things around?
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I think most people feel he has this season to turn it around. Meaning 20+ wins and a decent offseason showing.
 
TouchdownHusky said:
Cincy and Central Florida are in much more fertile recruiting grounds.
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In basketball? No way. The northeast is primo recruiting territory for hoops. Football, sure, they are in better places.
 
Huskybass said:
I ask this question with sincerity. Is there a single person on here who is still on the KO train? If so, what makes you believe he can turn things around?
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Here's a better question is there anyone off the Ollie train? Because he will be here the remainder of the year and if you're off the train then you are obviously hoping there is no chance of this team getting better this year and instead happy they will lose out so he will be gone. No one is saying he can turn it around but most hope, unlike yourself.
 
mauconnfan said:
Here's a better question is there anyone off the Ollie train? Because he will be here the remainder of the year and if you're off the train then you are obviously hoping there is no chance of this team getting better this year and instead happy they will lose out so he will be gone. No one is saying he can turn it around but most hope, unlike yourself.
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No, being off the train doesn't mean you hope he fails. It means you have no faith he will succeed and a change needs to be started. That means the AD has to, at the very least, start compiling names. If possible, he needs to start reaching out to some of them. They also need to start working on the financial and legal plans for a transition.
 
mauconnfan said:
Here's a better question is there anyone off the Ollie train? Because he will be here the remainder of the year and if you're off the train then you are obviously hoping there is no chance of this team getting better this year and instead happy they will lose out so he will be gone. No one is saying he can turn it around but most hope, unlike yourself.
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Nearly everyone seems to be off the KO train. I am asking those who still believe KO is the right guy to turn things around what they are basing that on. Hope in itself doesn't win ballgames or make a team tournament ready come March.

If "hope" without anything to base it on is your answer, then what do you really have? Blind faith doesn't win games.
 
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Huskybass said:
Nearly everyone seems to be off the KO train. I am asking those who still believe KO is the right guy to turn things around what they are basing that on. Hope in itself doesn't win ballgames or make a team tournament ready come March.

If "hope" without anything to base it on is your answer, then what do you really have? Blind faith doesn't win games.
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What can I base it on they haven't been good? I won't jump off but I won't say I'm standing in the middle of the boat (not taking the train) with ten toes and 2 feet because I certainly am not. More on the side of the boat with one leg checking the water temp, but if I jump off knowing he's still here for 24 games plus then what am I hoping for the remainder of this year? Again I'm not like you I'm not happy about the fact he looks like he can't get the job done against anyone that's not mid major and I don't have the answers why. But i'm in this with hope something changes I want these guys to win, no fun for me watching them fail so you and others can get a new coach you so strive for. Boat, wagon, train someone is always jumping off around here anyway it doesn't matter, been like that for years.
 
Paesano said:
No, being off the train doesn't mean you hope he fails. It means you have no faith he will succeed and a change needs to be started. That means the AD has to, at the very least, start compiling names. If possible, he needs to start reaching out to some of them. They also need to start working on the financial and legal plans for a transition.
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Being off the train means you've given up on them at least that's my 2 cents. I can't do that. Do I have faith he can get it done, hell no how could I after this 1 1/2 day debacle? But I'm in it until he's not, I know that offends many but oh well just me.
 
I am not happy that KO can't get the job done. But I am realistic in realizing that there are other coaches out there who would give UConn a much better chance of being relevant on the national landscape.

I would have been thrilled if this former UConn player had been the right guy to coach the program for decades, but sadly he is not. What we are seeing on the court and what has transpired behind the scenes is not at all encouraging. There is a toxicity to the program now that you don't seem to grasp, and things will not improve until fundamental changes are made.

Despite your accusations, I never wanted Ollie to fail. But now that it is abundantly clear that he is not the right guy for the job, a coaching change needs to be made this coming off season.

I still want UConn to win every time they take the floor. But I also realize that wins against cupcakes are less telling than getting beat by 20 or 35 points against good teams is.
 
No shooters, lousy D, poor offensive sets equals disaster. Unfortunately, we need a change to someone who understands how the game has changed. If KO,was hired by Warde he would be gone today. I can't believe how he has screwed this up. This is Diaco like.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
In basketball? No way. The northeast is primo recruiting territory for hoops. Football, sure, they are in better places.
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Agreed. Cincy, fertile ground? They plucked Cane Broome from our backyard at SHU.
 
mauconnfan said:
Here's a better question is there anyone off the Ollie train? Because he will be here the remainder of the year and if you're off the train then you are obviously hoping there is no chance of this team getting better this year and instead happy they will lose out so he will be gone. No one is saying he can turn it around but most hope, unlike yourself.
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I'm not sure that follows. I never wanted him to be hired, but once he was, I wanted him to succeed. I still want him to succeed. I hope the team wins out and I am forced to proclaim him a genius from a mountaintop. Being off the train means that I no longer think he will succeed. I don't think he's the best choice as our coach of the future. But I'm certainly not happy about that, or hoping for the team to lose any games.

I don't think they will have any game as bad as yesterday the rest of the year. They will be much better. I just don't think he's the guy to run the program. Something is clearly wrong.
 
Huskybass said:
I ask this question with sincerity. Is there a single person on here who is still on the KO train? If so, what makes you believe he can turn things around?
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I don't know that I BELIEVE he will, but I'm not 100% off the train yet.

I think yesterday felt to me like it did to many: Same crap we thought was done. If it's not, that's an awful sign. But I'm waiting to see how THIS team reacts, responds, gels, etc.

Again, yesterday was a brutal showing and serious evidence that not enough has changed. But I'm still hanging on, mostly bc I think this entire year is the only fair way to analyze him and the program's progress.
 
Caronimo said:
And we were a brimah and 1 away from losing the st joes game. I support Ollie, and like him a lot, but I’m slowly turning against him.
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Hey Einstein -- most national championship teams played at least one game on the way there that could have gone either way. The year that made Jimmy V, he took double OT to beat Pepperdine in the first or second round. You have just not taken a shot at KO -- you've devalued pretty much every championship that has ever been won.
 
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NielsisGood said:
How often do we ever see a coach that's on the hot seat (in any sport) turn things around and completely cement themselves? Not often at all. When it's time, it's time.
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Especially when the already downward trajectory over the past three seasons continues to trend red despite clearly being on a warm seat. The problems we are seeing on the court, and many have been clamoring about for some time now, typically don't clear up with the snap of a finger and there really isn't a realistic timetable left for heroics from the staff.
 
UofCT2009 said:
Wonder if these guys can beat Columbia on Wednesday. If not, chill should be interim by Thursday morning.
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NOT CHILL

His pedigree with Nike and the potential problems that might be in his closet is a no go.

I want Ollie to succeed even if I think what he did to Miller was horrible and the fallout so pronounced....3 transfers and loss of MAL

But if he losses the team during the season with another performance like this........I will be on the bandwagon

The season is early.......hopefully they will learn and improve and play to their highest level of ability

I know Ollie created the mess....but it does not look like this team has any NBA ready players
 
I really doubt the administration would trust Chill enough to put him in charge as interim, unless they were desperate.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
In basketball? No way. The northeast is primo recruiting territory for hoops. Football, sure, they are in better places.
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Dunno about that. The state of Ohio produces a lot of hoopsters (plus Cincy is near Indiana, Michigan and Western PA). And the state of Florida seems to produce a lot of players in the present (Florida Gators, Miami and FSU) all seem to do pretty good. So I wouldn't be so sure that they - Cincy & UCF - aren't in fertile recruiting grounds for basketball as well as football.
 
Outside of Chill which seems to be slotted as a recruiting specialist based on his resume (which I believe every top tier program always needs), has anyone considered the fact that our staff is really actually made up of 3 Kevin Ollie's in a way? We have so much invested in the "keep coaching in the JC family" that we kind of seem to be glossing over the fact that three quarters of our staff are essentially first time coaches at the D1 collegiate level, and this isn't some low/mid-major starter gig, this is the big leagues. The progressive loss and replacement of guys like Hobbs and especially Miller seem to have had affect on the court preparation moreso than the off court duties like recruiting which was I believe the focus of the staff changes in the first place.

Our offense under Ollie post-2014 has always been anemic in a way, and even still at times under Shabazz was so as well but that crew had the perfect cast to make the system/vision become a reality (namely an all-time great collegiate guard in his final encore). But this year man... even in the games against the cupcakes where the score technically states we won the game were ugly to watch, moreso than in the past, and I think we as a fan base may have overlooked the value guys like Miller brought our team in that regard, I know I personally overlooked GM's contributions looking back on it now. Even our defense which has always been our core philosophy, what always gave UConn Men's Basketball their signature edge and always kept us in any game despite the advertised disparities in offensive star power as of late has been MIA.
 
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I've said this the past few years. Ollie is not good at developing his players. There is no growth. There is no basic basketball knowledge other than dribble, cut, stop when you're too far under the basket and then chucking the ball out for a forced three. That is all I see game after game after game. I have not seen one "big" develop into a force down low. I know we're a guard heavy team - but they look panicked to me most days. Then when the camera cuts to the bench and I see Ollie's pained and confused expression (yet again) I find it hard not to switch the channel.
 
BUConn10 said:
Especially when the already downward trajectory over the past three seasons continues to trend red despite clearly being on a warm seat. The problems we are seeing on the court, and many have been clamoring about for some time now, typically don't clear up with the snap of a finger and there really isn't a realistic timetable left for heroics from the staff.
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There's been a pretty consistent level of dysfunction around the program over the last few years. Hard to imagine that all goes away and Ollie & the staff manage to turn it around.
 
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