Oh what a night of WBB! (Merged)

[DrummerDee]

#7 LSU loses to #20 Alabama
#8 UNC loses to #16 Duke
#3 ND loses to #24 FSU
#11 TN loses to # 15
#1 TX barely eeks out a win over unranked MSState.

Wow. That Bracket reveal won't last long.

Let's see how Cremepuff explains away the reasons why UConn STILL doesn't deserve a 1 seed. I can assure you that SC will be put right back on that #1 line, and the ND loss will be for any reason other than their lack of team play.

 

[Kaizen]

#16 Duke beat #8 North Carolina 68 - 53

 

[yhun89]

I don’t want us as a 1 seed tbh. Too much pressure, we do better as “underdogs.”

 

[hoopsfan22]

I don’t want us as a 1 seed tbh. Too much pressure, we do better as “underdogs.”

Do we? When was the last time we won a national championship as something other than a #1 seed?

 

[AnonChoice]

Yup, as expected, Creme now has SC back at a 1, after ND's loss last night, UConn still a 2. SC has three losses, we have three losses, and we blew them out by 30 on the road. What gives... other than that Creme always disses UConn.

 

[Geew1992]

#7 LSU loses to #20 Alabama
#8 UNC loses to #16 Duke
#3 ND loses to #24 FSU
#11 TN loses to # 15
#1 TX barely eeks out a win over unranked MSState.

Wow. That Bracket reveal won't last long.

Let's see how Cremepuff explains away the reasons why UConn STILL doesn't deserve a 1 seed. I can assure you that SC will be put right back on that #1 line, and the ND loss will be for any reason other than their lack of team play.

Because SC should be a #1 seed. Besides Texas, they have the most quad 1 wins.

 

[yhun89]

Do we? When was the last time we won a national championship as something other than a #1 seed?

Well, I'm more talking about in accordance with this season. We did better when we weren't expected to win.

Expected to win at Tenn (we were higher ranked)- lost badly

Higher ranked vs ND-Lost

Semi expected to win USC-choked in the final minutes


Not expected to win vs SC-Blew them out by 30


And yes, I know Azzi wasn't present for ND and USC.

Not saying this would happen, but nerves could absolutely happen to this team, especially with the added pressure that they know that this is PB's last dance, and she WANTS that Natty more than anything. The team is likely to feel a bit of pressure on the inside if they can't help deliver Paige something that she's wanted all 5 years, whether playing or not playing, here at UCONN.

 

[hoopsfan22]

Yup, as expected, Creme now has SC back at a 1, after ND's loss last night, UConn still a 2. SC has three losses, we have three losses, and we blew them out by 30 on the road. What gives... other than that Creme always disses UConn.

I guess compare the teams South Carolina and UConn lost to, and also strength of schedule. If both teams make it to selection day with three losses, doesn't South Carolina deserve to go ahead of UConn?

 

[meyers7]

Do we? When was the last time we won a national championship as something other than a #1 seed?

2004.

But since 1995 only 6 times has a Champion come from other than a #1 seed.

 

[HuskyNan]

Do we? When was the last time we won a national championship as something other than a #1 seed?

Didn’t win the championship but got to the final game as a 2 seed in 2022. UConn won in 2004 as a 2 seed. The UConn men won as a 2 seed (2004), 3 seed (2011), 7 seed (2013) and 4 seed (2023)

 

[Kaizen]

I guess compare the teams South Carolina and UConn lost to, and also strength of schedule. If both teams make it to selection day with three losses, doesn't South Carolina deserve to go ahead of UConn?

UConn beat South Carolina 87 - 58.

 

[HuskyNan]

Yup, as expected, Creme now has SC back at a 1, after ND's loss last night, UConn still a 2. SC has three losses, we have three losses, and we blew them out by 30 on the road. What gives... other than that Creme always disses UConn.

Charlie Creme isn’t dissing anyone; he’s going by the criteria the NCAA laid out, much like many Boneyarders do. See the below chart. I’m not sure why UConn is #1 in the NET but the committee (and Charlie) aren’t just looking at the overall ranking, they’re also looking at the team’s record against the best teams, the Quad 1 teams. UConn is 4-3 against Quad 1 teams. Not horrible, but not better than So Carolina, Texas, UCLA, USC or ND.

 

[MooseJaw]

Oh, what a night! Upsets right and left, just a few wins of note by higher seeded team. Texas, hardly a feel-good win, UConn with a comfortable win with a reg season championship. Ok I admit there has been a long-standing Quip that helps explains last night's feeling after the scores were all reveled. A good night is when ND loses, a better night is when the Huskies win. an even better night is when UConn wins, and ND takes it in the shorts. The best night is when UConn throttles ND. We got the first three last night, our time is coming, will we get the last, and get our chance to repay the Irish?

 

[Zarathustra]

#16 Duke beat #8 North Carolina 68 - 53

UNC did not have some critical players.... note well.

 

[EricLA]

Frankly I don't care 1 or 2 seed. It's gonna be what it is - IMHO no one will want to see UCONN as the 2 seed in their bracket.

As was pointed out, we lost to ND and USC without Azzi AND Aubrey. The Tennessee game was just a bad stinker. But if any loss can be considered a "good" loss, that might be it - the team was snapped back to attention and look at what they have done since.

The SC game showed what can happen when we play our A game, and oh by the way... While Azzi scored 28, Sarah was a tiny bit light at 16, and Paige only had 12 on 3-12 shooting. Besides Fudd, it was El Alfy, Chen and Shade who really helped pad the score having really solid games. AND we showed what we can do against a longer and more athletic team. I was shocked to say the least.

But I think what the recent upsets really show is that "on any given night". Meaning that the field REALLY is wide open and honestly I could see any of the top 6 teams winning it all. LSU is a dark horse to me - not one of the top 6 IMHO.

There could be some surprises in the elite 8 and even the final 4, (meaning maybe a 2 or 3 seed sneaks in), but while there is a lot of parity, I think the top teams are a fair bit better than the teams outside the top 10. Of course upsets can happen, but that's how I see it...

 

[Husky fanatic]

#16 Duke beat #8 North Carolina 68 - 53

Without Utsby

 

[PacoSwede]

@HuskyNan posted:
Charlie Creme isn’t dissing anyone; he’s going by the criteria the NCAA laid out, much like many Boneyarders do. See the below chart. I’m not sure why UConn is #1 in the NET but the committee (and Charlie) aren’t just looking at the overall ranking, they’re also looking at the team’s record against the best teams, the Quad 1 teams. UConn is 4-3 against Quad 1 teams. Not horrible, but not better than So Carolina, Texas, UCLA, USC or ND.

seems uconn only had 7 Quad1 games, far less than the others -- if it had those extra games, it would be a more legit comparison, so the criterion is weighted against uconn regardless of the results, right? if so, while that criterion is OK, it should not have outsized influence.

as others feel, while the speculations on seedings are fun for BYers, they at this stage and ultimately aren't important. uconn has to beat all comers in the end -- beating the toughest opponents would make the NC much sweeter. it's definitely possible if the huskies' consistency improves.

 

[HuskyNan]

@HuskyNan posted:
Charlie Creme isn’t dissing anyone; he’s going by the criteria the NCAA laid out, much like many Boneyarders do. See the below chart. I’m not sure why UConn is #1 in the NET but the committee (and Charlie) aren’t just looking at the overall ranking, they’re also looking at the team’s record against the best teams, the Quad 1 teams. UConn is 4-3 against Quad 1 teams. Not horrible, but not better than So Carolina, Texas, UCLA, USC or ND.

seems uconn only had 7 Quad1 games, far less than the others -- if it had those extra games, it would be a more legit comparison, so the criterion is weighted against uconn regardless of the results, right? if so, while that criterion is OK, it should not have outsized influence.

as others feel, while the speculations on seedings are fun for BYers, they at this stage and ultimately aren't important. uconn has to beat all comers in the end -- beating the toughest opponents would make the NC much sweeter. it's definitely possible if the huskies' consistency improves.

Geno scheduled Louisville and there was a mini-tourney game vs Iowa State. They were supposed to be pretty good but ended up being Quad 2 teams. USF is usually a fringe Quad 1 but is not having its best season this year

 

[PacoSwede]

Geno scheduled Louisville and there was a mini-tourney game vs Iowa State. They were supposed to be pretty good but ended up being Quad 2 teams. USF is usually a fringe Quad 1 but is not having its best season this year

that's right. out of uconn's control -- or any team's -- which is why the Quad1 stat shouldn't be a major criterion

 

[hoopsfan22]

that's right. out of uconn's control -- or any team's -- which is why the Quad1 stat shouldn't be a major criterion

So if beating the top teams isn't going to be a major criterion, what do you suggest the committee use?

 

[triaddukefan]

UNC did not have some critical players.... note well.

Without Utsby

This crap again? Utsby had 11 turnovers in the first matchup. Chapel Hill wasn't winning the game on Senior Night regardless. Lemme log off before i say too much.

 

[PacoSwede]

So if beating the top teams isn't going to be a major criterion, what do you suggest the committee use?

use it! if they want to give it extra weight, fine.

i'm just pointing out that it is flawed. OK? seeding isn't a big deal.

 

[hookshot]

#7 LSU loses to #20 Alabama
#8 UNC loses to #16 Duke
#3 ND loses to #24 FSU
#11 TN loses to # 15
#1 TX barely eeks out a win over unranked MSState.

Wow. That Bracket reveal won't last long.

Let's see how Cremepuff explains away the reasons why UConn STILL doesn't deserve a 1 seed. I can assure you that SC will be put right back on that #1 line, and the ND loss will be for any reason other than their lack of team play.

If UCLA wins (over USC) today they will go back to #1, Texas #2, SC #3, and ND, USC, and Uconn scramble for #4. hard for Uconn to jump both when they've lost to both but maybe they will jump ND because that was a bad loss for ND, and thy have had 3 bad losses now

 

[MooseJaw]

Frankly I don't care 1 or 2 seed. It's gonna be what it is - IMHO no one will want to see UCONN as the 2 seed in their bracket.

As was pointed out, we lost to ND and USC without Azzi AND Aubrey. The Tennessee game was just a bad stinker. But if any loss can be considered a "good" loss, that might be it - the team was snapped back to attention and look at what they have done since.

The SC game showed what can happen when we play our A game, and oh by the way... While Azzi scored 28, Sarah was a tiny bit light at 16, and Paige only had 12 on 3-12 shooting. Besides Fudd, it was El Alfy, Chen and Shade who really helped pad the score having really solid games. AND we showed what we can do against a longer and more athletic team. I was shocked to say the least.

But I think what the recent upsets really show is that "on any given night". Meaning that the field REALLY is wide open and honestly I could see any of the top 6 teams winning it all. LSU is a dark horse to me - not one of the top 6 IMHO.

There could be some surprises in the elite 8 and even the final 4, (meaning maybe a 2 or 3 seed sneaks in), but while there is a lot of parity, I think the top teams are a fair bit better than the teams outside the top 10. Of course upsets can happen, but that's how I see it...

EricLa right on the head. A post that got right to the point, and the best part is most will nod and think he hit it good. Thanks for a good post.

 

[HuskyNan]

that's right. out of uconn's control -- or any team's -- which is why the Quad1 stat shouldn't be a major criterion

It’s one of many criteria.