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#7 LSU loses to #20 Alabama
#8 UNC loses to #16 Duke
#3 ND loses to #24 FSU
#11 TN loses to # 15
#1 TX barely eeks out a win over unranked MSState.

Wow. That Bracket reveal won't last long.

Let's see how Cremepuff explains away the reasons why UConn STILL doesn't deserve a 1 seed. I can assure you that SC will be put right back on that #1 line, and the ND loss will be for any reason other than their lack of team play.
 
Yup, as expected, Creme now has SC back at a 1, after ND's loss last night, UConn still a 2. SC has three losses, we have three losses, and we blew them out by 30 on the road. What gives... other than that Creme always disses UConn.
 
DrummerDee said:
#7 LSU loses to #20 Alabama
#8 UNC loses to #16 Duke
#3 ND loses to #24 FSU
#11 TN loses to # 15
#1 TX barely eeks out a win over unranked MSState.

Wow. That Bracket reveal won't last long.

Let's see how Cremepuff explains away the reasons why UConn STILL doesn't deserve a 1 seed. I can assure you that SC will be put right back on that #1 line, and the ND loss will be for any reason other than their lack of team play.
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Because SC should be a #1 seed. Besides Texas, they have the most quad 1 wins.
 
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hoopsfan22 said:
Do we? When was the last time we won a national championship as something other than a #1 seed?
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Well, I'm more talking about in accordance with this season. We did better when we weren't expected to win.

Expected to win at Tenn (we were higher ranked)- lost badly

Higher ranked vs ND-Lost

Semi expected to win USC-choked in the final minutes


Not expected to win vs SC-Blew them out by 30


And yes, I know Azzi wasn't present for ND and USC.

Not saying this would happen, but nerves could absolutely happen to this team, especially with the added pressure that they know that this is PB's last dance, and she WANTS that Natty more than anything. The team is likely to feel a bit of pressure on the inside if they can't help deliver Paige something that she's wanted all 5 years, whether playing or not playing, here at UCONN.
 
AnonChoice said:
Yup, as expected, Creme now has SC back at a 1, after ND's loss last night, UConn still a 2. SC has three losses, we have three losses, and we blew them out by 30 on the road. What gives... other than that Creme always disses UConn.
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I guess compare the teams South Carolina and UConn lost to, and also strength of schedule. If both teams make it to selection day with three losses, doesn't South Carolina deserve to go ahead of UConn?
 
AnonChoice said:
Yup, as expected, Creme now has SC back at a 1, after ND's loss last night, UConn still a 2. SC has three losses, we have three losses, and we blew them out by 30 on the road. What gives... other than that Creme always disses UConn.
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Charlie Creme isn’t dissing anyone; he’s going by the criteria the NCAA laid out, much like many Boneyarders do. See the below chart. I’m not sure why UConn is #1 in the NET but the committee (and Charlie) aren’t just looking at the overall ranking, they’re also looking at the team’s record against the best teams, the Quad 1 teams. UConn is 4-3 against Quad 1 teams. Not horrible, but not better than So Carolina, Texas, UCLA, USC or ND.

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Oh, what a night! Upsets right and left, just a few wins of note by higher seeded team. Texas, hardly a feel-good win, UConn with a comfortable win with a reg season championship. Ok I admit there has been a long-standing Quip that helps explains last night's feeling after the scores were all reveled. A good night is when ND loses, a better night is when the Huskies win. an even better night is when UConn wins, and ND takes it in the shorts. The best night is when UConn throttles ND. We got the first three last night, our time is coming, will we get the last, and get our chance to repay the Irish?
 
Frankly I don't care 1 or 2 seed. It's gonna be what it is - IMHO no one will want to see UCONN as the 2 seed in their bracket.

As was pointed out, we lost to ND and USC without Azzi AND Aubrey. The Tennessee game was just a bad stinker. But if any loss can be considered a "good" loss, that might be it - the team was snapped back to attention and look at what they have done since.

The SC game showed what can happen when we play our A game, and oh by the way... While Azzi scored 28, Sarah was a tiny bit light at 16, and Paige only had 12 on 3-12 shooting. Besides Fudd, it was El Alfy, Chen and Shade who really helped pad the score having really solid games. AND we showed what we can do against a longer and more athletic team. I was shocked to say the least.

But I think what the recent upsets really show is that "on any given night". Meaning that the field REALLY is wide open and honestly I could see any of the top 6 teams winning it all. LSU is a dark horse to me - not one of the top 6 IMHO.

There could be some surprises in the elite 8 and even the final 4, (meaning maybe a 2 or 3 seed sneaks in), but while there is a lot of parity, I think the top teams are a fair bit better than the teams outside the top 10. Of course upsets can happen, but that's how I see it...
 
@HuskyNan posted:
Charlie Creme isn’t dissing anyone; he’s going by the criteria the NCAA laid out, much like many Boneyarders do. See the below chart. I’m not sure why UConn is #1 in the NET but the committee (and Charlie) aren’t just looking at the overall ranking, they’re also looking at the team’s record against the best teams, the Quad 1 teams. UConn is 4-3 against Quad 1 teams. Not horrible, but not better than So Carolina, Texas, UCLA, USC or ND.

seems uconn only had 7 Quad1 games, far less than the others -- if it had those extra games, it would be a more legit comparison, so the criterion is weighted against uconn regardless of the results, right? if so, while that criterion is OK, it should not have outsized influence.

as others feel, while the speculations on seedings are fun for BYers, they at this stage and ultimately aren't important. uconn has to beat all comers in the end -- beating the toughest opponents would make the NC much sweeter. it's definitely possible if the huskies' consistency improves.
 
PacoSwede said:
@HuskyNan posted:
Charlie Creme isn’t dissing anyone; he’s going by the criteria the NCAA laid out, much like many Boneyarders do. See the below chart. I’m not sure why UConn is #1 in the NET but the committee (and Charlie) aren’t just looking at the overall ranking, they’re also looking at the team’s record against the best teams, the Quad 1 teams. UConn is 4-3 against Quad 1 teams. Not horrible, but not better than So Carolina, Texas, UCLA, USC or ND.

seems uconn only had 7 Quad1 games, far less than the others -- if it had those extra games, it would be a more legit comparison, so the criterion is weighted against uconn regardless of the results, right? if so, while that criterion is OK, it should not have outsized influence.

as others feel, while the speculations on seedings are fun for BYers, they at this stage and ultimately aren't important. uconn has to beat all comers in the end -- beating the toughest opponents would make the NC much sweeter. it's definitely possible if the huskies' consistency improves.
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Geno scheduled Louisville and there was a mini-tourney game vs Iowa State. They were supposed to be pretty good but ended up being Quad 2 teams. USF is usually a fringe Quad 1 but is not having its best season this year
 
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HuskyNan said:
Geno scheduled Louisville and there was a mini-tourney game vs Iowa State. They were supposed to be pretty good but ended up being Quad 2 teams. USF is usually a fringe Quad 1 but is not having its best season this year
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that's right. out of uconn's control -- or any team's -- which is why the Quad1 stat shouldn't be a major criterion
 
hoopsfan22 said:
So if beating the top teams isn't going to be a major criterion, what do you suggest the committee use?
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use it! if they want to give it extra weight, fine.

i'm just pointing out that it is flawed. OK? seeding isn't a big deal.
 
DrummerDee said:
#7 LSU loses to #20 Alabama
#8 UNC loses to #16 Duke
#3 ND loses to #24 FSU
#11 TN loses to # 15
#1 TX barely eeks out a win over unranked MSState.

Wow. That Bracket reveal won't last long.

Let's see how Cremepuff explains away the reasons why UConn STILL doesn't deserve a 1 seed. I can assure you that SC will be put right back on that #1 line, and the ND loss will be for any reason other than their lack of team play.
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If UCLA wins (over USC) today they will go back to #1, Texas #2, SC #3, and ND, USC, and Uconn scramble for #4. hard for Uconn to jump both when they've lost to both but maybe they will jump ND because that was a bad loss for ND, and thy have had 3 bad losses now
 
EricLA said:
Frankly I don't care 1 or 2 seed. It's gonna be what it is - IMHO no one will want to see UCONN as the 2 seed in their bracket.

As was pointed out, we lost to ND and USC without Azzi AND Aubrey. The Tennessee game was just a bad stinker. But if any loss can be considered a "good" loss, that might be it - the team was snapped back to attention and look at what they have done since.

The SC game showed what can happen when we play our A game, and oh by the way... While Azzi scored 28, Sarah was a tiny bit light at 16, and Paige only had 12 on 3-12 shooting. Besides Fudd, it was El Alfy, Chen and Shade who really helped pad the score having really solid games. AND we showed what we can do against a longer and more athletic team. I was shocked to say the least.

But I think what the recent upsets really show is that "on any given night". Meaning that the field REALLY is wide open and honestly I could see any of the top 6 teams winning it all. LSU is a dark horse to me - not one of the top 6 IMHO.

There could be some surprises in the elite 8 and even the final 4, (meaning maybe a 2 or 3 seed sneaks in), but while there is a lot of parity, I think the top teams are a fair bit better than the teams outside the top 10. Of course upsets can happen, but that's how I see it...
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EricLa right on the head. A post that got right to the point, and the best part is most will nod and think he hit it good. Thanks for a good post.
 
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DrummerDee said:
#7 LSU loses to #20 Alabama
#8 UNC loses to #16 Duke
#3 ND loses to #24 FSU
#11 TN loses to # 15
#1 TX barely eeks out a win over unranked MSState.

Wow. That Bracket reveal won't last long.

Let's see how Cremepuff explains away the reasons why UConn STILL doesn't deserve a 1 seed. I can assure you that SC will be put right back on that #1 line, and the ND loss will be for any reason other than their lack of team play.
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ND really has 4 bad losses this year or at least losses that were surprising based on the talent of their roster. The only way SC gets a 1 seed in the end if if they win the SEC or UCLA loses twice to USC. UConn has a great chance at a 1 and really could end the season right where they started, at the 2 position. Still a lot of basketball to play and potentially a lot of excuses from CC for the teams he favors.
 
ND loses to Fla St # 24 @ home by 5
Texas wins by 4 against Miss St unranked
LSU loses to Alabama #20 by 3
UNC loses to Duke #16 by 15
Tenn loses to Kentucky 20+

We will see what happens with this weekends games and how the rankings change on Monday.

I would think ND drops 2-3 places
Texas stays number 1
LSU drops 2-3 places from 7th to 8 or 9th
UNC drops a couple of place and Duke moves up a couple
Tenn drops 2-3 places and Kentucky moves up the same amount

Could UConn move up to number 4 or 3 we will see
 
Tonyc said:
ND loses to Fla St # 24 @ home by 5
Texas wins by 4 against Miss St unranked
LSU loses to Alabama #20 by 3
UNC loses to Duke #16 by 15
Tenn loses to Kentucky 20+

We will see what happens with this weekends games and how the rankings change on Monday.

I would think ND drops 2-3 places
Texas stays number 1
LSU drops 2-3 places from 7th to 8 or 9th
UNC drops a couple of place and Duke moves up a couple
Tenn drops 2-3 places and Kentucky moves up the same amount

Could UConn move up to number 4 or 3 we will see
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Merging this with an existing thread
 
Need to look beyond the numbers a bit. UConn pre and post healthy Azzi Fudd are different teams. This one is undefeated with her healthy, playing significant minutes, with the 1 auspicious win versus a top 5 team.

Hence, on these recent results, local and otherwise, with the resources available, and with the incoming #1 overall recruit having played most of her freshman season, UConn, for me, is the clear cut #1 overall seed. Nothing to do with local bias (I'm not coach's biggest fan when it comes to in-game adjustments, and rotations) the results with, and without, speak for themselves.
 
triaddukefan said:
This crap again? Utsby had 11 turnovers in the first matchup. Chapel Hill wasn't winning the game on Senior Night regardless. Lemme log off before i say too much.
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Thanks for saying this. Ustby is a good player but it’s not like they’re without an All American go to player. The same UNC team was able to beat NC State without Ustby in the lineup. Whether she played or not, Duke deserves full credit for their 15 point win over UNC.
 
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