Ogunbowale’s Personal Foul

[HuskyNan]

You couldn't miss it if you were watching the game unless your eyes were focused on another player. I jumped out of my chair and even my husband was like 'what was that"?

My comment was that the link Biff provided didn’t work for me

 

[CMC'72]

I hope UConn sends a tape of all of Arike's late fouls to the chief of officials - and a copy to the ND Athletic Director

Triple like. We need to get this done. For safety's sake.

 

[rolltidemomma]

My comment was that the link Biff provided didn’t work for me

my bad, I miss read that.

 

[Bronxjeff]

I am not as sure that Kantner was in a good position. From where she was CD was directly between Dee and Arike. Most of the closing movement of Arike towards Dangerfield would have been tough to see from that side of the court. The ref on the camera side however had a clear view she appears to be loking further up the court.

Refs make mistakes all the time because it's a very difficult job to see everything on the court in real time and make snap judgements but, I really don't subscribe to the view that they are making concious biased decisions on the calls.

I think this was before she was called for the T, and that this is probably what Geno was complaining to the ref about, when Arike mouthed off to the ref/Geno.

 

[Rocket009]

Given everything that CD went through in the game, and there was a lot of little stuff - pushing and shoving - throughout as well as the more egregious things we've pointed out here , I think it is really amazing that she kept her focus and poise throughout the game. Kudos to Crystal for her performance in what must have been a very challenging game for her.

 

[southofnorth]

I believe when the head of the officials review that game and see that play they will have some questions for Dee Kantner as to why she did not call something.

Was she the ref that was fired from the NBA? I’m all for second chances, but that should be a sign she shouldn’t be in a high level officiating post.

 

[MSGRET]

Was she the ref that was fired from the NBA? I’m all for second chances, but that should be a sign she shouldn’t be in a high level officiating post.

Yes and according to ESPN she is rated one of the TOP refs in the Women's game.

 

[nwhoopfan]

After last year's miracle shot, have tended to watch her more and beginning to form an opinion that she has a lot of Grayson Allen in her. While at Duke, under pressure, Grayson tended to reach out, grab, kick, etc. and Ogunbowale has many of the same tendancies.

That season that Allen kept repeatedly tripping and kicking opponents was so surreal. I couldn't believe that was actually happening. And nothing was being done about it. If a coach doesn't reign behavior like that in, then the coach is giving implicit approval of the behavior. Ogunbowale is not quite that blatant, but not that far off. And McGraw appears to be doing nothing about it.

 

[DefenseBB]

@ShabooAllStar @donalddoowop @uconnfan68 @Biff
I recorded the game and have tried to most accurately give the posters sequencing so we don't run amok with our views
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Arike badly undercuts Christyn for "and 1" at 7:25 mark of the 4th Quarter. Upon looking at this in slow motion, this is really a deliberate and dangerous play by Arike.

At 4:25, Mabry fouls Meg along the baseline, which due to UConn being in the bonus, puts Meg on the line. Right after the foul, we can see Geno talking to his left at the Blond women Ref, Arike is to his right and walks towards Geno's left out of the frame. The shot cuts to Muffet who is looking frustrated (please note she is not complaining) and then cuts back to Geno mouthing to Arike "don't be giving me this" as he sweeps his left hand in an away fashion. He says/does this twice and looks away as Meg shoots and then the ref blows the technical.

Now at 3:31 CD goes to the line, makes 2 free throws, Kantner is running up the court watching Jackie Young dribble, as CD fall to the ground you can see Dee Kantner turn her head at CD wondering what happened, the blond ref also was running up the court and did not see it as she too turned head when CD went down and paused, however as the frame plays out, the male ref along the ND baseline saw most of it and is seen coming forward with his whistle but looks at Kantner who shrugs like "I didn't see anything" -which is true, she didn't. Now as the male ref did see it, he watches Arike like a hawk over the next 2 minutes and catches her with her arm around CD- and immediately blows the whistle as he's been watching her.
Biff is correct that Kantner did not see it, so no one "Swallowed their whistle". Kantner gets a lot of flack but last night I thought she called a pretty good game.

 

[CajunHusky]

@ShabooAllStar @donalddoowop @uconnfan68 @Biff
At 4:25, Mabry fouls Meg along the baseline, which due to UConn being in the bonus, puts Meg on the line. Right after the foul, we can see Geno talking to his left at the Blond women Ref, Arike is to his right and walks towards Geno's left out of the frame. The shot cuts to Muffet who is looking frustrated (please note she is not complaining) and then cuts back to Geno mouthing to Arike "don't be giving me this" as he sweeps his left hand in an away fashion. He says/does this twice and looks away as Meg shoots and then the ref blows the technical.

You forgot the followup review that gives a different angle which has the ref, Geno and Arike all in the same frame. It clearly shows Geno talking directly to the ref and Arike walking toward the bench and Geno, coming between Geno and the ref and saying something to Geno.

 

[YankeeJim]

@ShabooAllStar @donalddoowop @uconnfan68 @Biff
I recorded the game and have tried to most accurately give the posters sequencing so we don't run amok with our views
.
Arike badly undercuts Christyn for "and 1" at 7:25 mark of the 4th Quarter. Upon looking at this in slow motion, this is really a deliberate and dangerous play by Arike.

At 4:25, Mabry fouls Meg along the baseline, which due to UConn being in the bonus, puts Meg on the line. Right after the foul, we can see Geno talking to his left at the Blond women Ref, Arike is to his right and walks towards Geno's left out of the frame. The shot cuts to Muffet who is looking frustrated (please note she is not complaining) and then cuts back to Geno mouthing to Arike "don't be giving me this" as he sweeps his left hand in an away fashion. He says/does this twice and looks away as Meg shoots and then the ref blows the technical.

Now at 3:31 CD goes to the line, makes 2 free throws, Kantner is running up the court watching Jackie Young dribble, as CD fall to the ground you can see Dee Kantner turn her head at CD wondering what happened, the blond ref also was running up the court and did not see it as she too turned head when CD went down and paused, however as the frame plays out, the male ref along the ND baseline saw most of it and is seen coming forward with his whistle but looks at Kantner who shrugs like "I didn't see anything" -which is true, she didn't. Now as the male ref did see it, he watches Arike like a hawk over the next 2 minutes and catches her with her arm around CD- and immediately blows the whistle as he's been watching her.
Biff is correct that Kantner did not see it, so no one "Swallowed their whistle". Kantner gets a lot of flack but last night I thought she called a pretty good game.

this is the first time i have seen anyone post a comment on the play in Q4 when Arike undercuts Williams while she was in the air - en route to 3-point play. To me, the most dangerous thing she did all game and VERY intentional.

 

[HuskyNan]

this is the first time i have seen anyone post a comment on the play in Q4 when Arike undercuts Williams while she was in the air - en route to 3-point play. To me, the most dangerous thing she did all game and VERY intentional.

Scroll down to older posts. There are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of posts on the play

 

[hussybulldog]

That season that Allen kept repeatedly tripping and kicking opponents was so surreal. I couldn't believe that was actually happening. And nothing was being done about it. If a coach doesn't reign behavior like that in, then the coach is giving implicit approval of the behavior. Ogunbowale is not quite that blatant, but not that far off. And McGraw appears to be doing nothing about it.

what is happeneing at ND? Do they have any nuns around to police the behavior of their students there?

 

[Rocket009]

what is happeneing at ND? Do they have any nuns around to police the behavior of their students there?

Well, nuns - as teachers - have a history of doling out harsh punishment. Maybe getting smacked on the back of the hand with a ruler too many times has some negative effects.

 

[boontonbomber]

@ShabooAllStar @donalddoowop @uconnfan68 @Biff
I recorded the game and have tried to most accurately give the posters sequencing so we don't run amok with our views
.
Arike badly undercuts Christyn for "and 1" at 7:25 mark of the 4th Quarter. Upon looking at this in slow motion, this is really a deliberate and dangerous play by Arike.

At 4:25, Mabry fouls Meg along the baseline, which due to UConn being in the bonus, puts Meg on the line. Right after the foul, we can see Geno talking to his left at the Blond women Ref, Arike is to his right and walks towards Geno's left out of the frame. The shot cuts to Muffet who is looking frustrated (please note she is not complaining) and then cuts back to Geno mouthing to Arike "don't be giving me this" as he sweeps his left hand in an away fashion. He says/does this twice and looks away as Meg shoots and then the ref blows the technical.

Now at 3:31 CD goes to the line, makes 2 free throws, Kantner is running up the court watching Jackie Young dribble, as CD fall to the ground you can see Dee Kantner turn her head at CD wondering what happened, the blond ref also was running up the court and did not see it as she too turned head when CD went down and paused, however as the frame plays out, the male ref along the ND baseline saw most of it and is seen coming forward with his whistle but looks at Kantner who shrugs like "I didn't see anything" -which is true, she didn't. Now as the male ref did see it, he watches Arike like a hawk over the next 2 minutes and catches her with her arm around CD- and immediately blows the whistle as he's been watching her.
Biff is correct that Kantner did not see it, so no one "Swallowed their whistle". Kantner gets a lot of flack but last night I thought she called a pretty good game.

well, if the male ref saw it, I guess he swallowed his whistle. I don't think he needs Kantner's ok to make a call.

 

[willtalk]

If you marry up what Arike did in the UCONN Game and what she did in the game vs Oregon State (kicking Janessa Thropay in the head during a scrum for a loose ball), Arike should have been ejected in the UCONN game. Muffet should have disciplined her as well. The pattern of unsportsmanlike & dangerous behavior is glaring.

I also hope that Coco Husky now understands the relevance of Pac12Fan's post in respect to that incident. However, the kick to the head did not occur during a loose ball scrum, but after the play was over with both players stationary on the ground. This was right after a play in which she was assessed a flagrant for fore-arming another Oregon player in the face. This issue is not about what happened to the Oregon St. or Uconn players, but the serial behavior of a specific player. It will probably take a suspension of sorts to put an end to it.

 

[Crazyhorse]

Anyone else remember when Ogunbowale threw a punch at an opposing player, I think it was her freshmen season?

 

[Blueberries]

How many flagrant fouls does this particular player have this season? in her career?

Is there a rule about getting repeated flagrant fouls?

 

[triaddukefan]

Anyone else remember when Ogunbowale threw a punch at an opposing player, I think it was her freshmen season?

when i saw you post... i assumed you were gonna talk about the dirty play of #24 in last years ACC Semis vs yall.

 

[Shenandoah]

I thought the more flagrant cheap shot took place a few minutes before the technical when it appeared that Ogunbowale clothes lined and slew footed Dangerfield knocking her hard to the floor. Obviously the refs missed the incident, but I'm sure the UConn bench didn't. Kudos to Crystal for keeping her cool and not responding.

Watch the replay. The ref was right there, looking at it. Pitiful.

 

[Shenandoah]

I've not been to a live game in years, so my question is: At one time screaming out an F Bomb was taboo. Is that now just another day at the beach for the officials, and is it okay because everyone does it?

 

[Shenandoah]

Well, nuns - as teachers - have a history of doling out harsh punishment. Maybe getting smacked on the back of the hand with a ruler too many times has some negative effects.

It does! LOL!

 

[lebronfan23]

She definitely was mad because Crystal made her a volume shooter

 

[DefenseBB]

Watch the replay. The ref was right there, looking at it. Pitiful.

The only ref that might have seen it was the male ref along the ND baseline. He seemed to be looking at Kantner but who knows if that's why. Kantner and the Blond ref DID NOT see the play. I have it on VCR and they were not looking at Arike/CD. Stop overplaying your disgust.

 

[donalddoowop]

@ShabooAllStar @donalddoowop @uconnfan68 @Biff
I recorded the game and have tried to most accurately give the posters sequencing so we don't run amok with our views
.
Arike badly undercuts Christyn for "and 1" at 7:25 mark of the 4th Quarter. Upon looking at this in slow motion, this is really a deliberate and dangerous play by Arike.

At 4:25, Mabry fouls Meg along the baseline, which due to UConn being in the bonus, puts Meg on the line. Right after the foul, we can see Geno talking to his left at the Blond women Ref, Arike is to his right and walks towards Geno's left out of the frame. The shot cuts to Muffet who is looking frustrated (please note she is not complaining) and then cuts back to Geno mouthing to Arike "don't be giving me this" as he sweeps his left hand in an away fashion. He says/does this twice and looks away as Meg shoots and then the ref blows the technical.

Now at 3:31 CD goes to the line, makes 2 free throws, Kantner is running up the court watching Jackie Young dribble, as CD fall to the ground you can see Dee Kantner turn her head at CD wondering what happened, the blond ref also was running up the court and did not see it as she too turned head when CD went down and paused, however as the frame plays out, the male ref along the ND baseline saw most of it and is seen coming forward with his whistle but looks at Kantner who shrugs like "I didn't see anything" -which is true, she didn't. Now as the male ref did see it, he watches Arike like a hawk over the next 2 minutes and catches her with her arm around CD- and immediately blows the whistle as he's been watching her.
Biff is correct that Kantner did not see it, so no one "Swallowed their whistle". Kantner gets a lot of flack but last night I thought she called a pretty good game.

Keep in mind that is the way you saw it and that does not make it so. I saw it differently.

 

[shinobimono]

A few posters have called the knock down of Crystal Dangerfield at half court a "body check" or "hip check." Calling it by those more innocuous terms diminishes the seriousness of the attack (in fact, it was vicious, in my view) and even gives the perpetrator some deniability to hang on to by saying "Oh, I only bumped into her and she fell." A cursory viewing of the replay may make it look like a "body check," but if you look closely at it numerous times you can see her kick Crystal Dangerfield's leg out from under her and while she's off balance Arike knocks her down with her left arm. It's a studied move, and given how many times she made moves like this to take players down in the game, I'll bet she's very proud of her skill. I agree with others who have said she should face some kind of discipline or suspension, either by ND or the NCAA, preferably the latter.

 

[geneticrex]

this is the first time i have seen anyone post a comment on the play in Q4 when Arike undercuts Williams while she was in the air - en route to 3-point play. To me, the most dangerous thing she did all game and VERY intentional.

Absoutely no question about it. Anyone who has ever stepped on a basketball court knows how dangerous an undercut to a plyer driving the lane is. Far more dangerous than to a rebounder, actually.

 

[bramos]

what is happeneing at ND? Do they have any nuns around to police the behavior of their students there?

ND needs my second grade nun, Sister Mary Michael..when we misbehaved, those wooden rosary beads really hurt ..

 

[JustinesGuy]

Muffet has to be so mad at her dirty plays and unsportsmanlike attitude with the tech and not shaking Genos hand.
Muffet should suspend her. Complete lack of class. I bet Geno was telling his kids not to ever act like that no matter what. It’s winderful to have such classy girls and program.

 

[Centerstream]

She's the ACC preseason Player Of the Year...hmm. I guess this behavior is new this year?????