OT: NY Giants

[intlzncster]

It's like saying we really like this house...We can buy it for 500k, but since we really like it, let's pay 750k so we get it.

Instead of paying a QB second round money, you have to pay him #6 money..along with paying Eli 25m this year.

Independent of Jones, it's better to take a QB in the 1st, ideally at the end. You get 5 years of control before you have to break the bank. Taking him at the top mitigates it somewhat, given increased salary (but compared to franchise QBs, it's a bargain).

And that's assuming the QB is good.

 

[Scoe]

I'm a GMen fan
It's the Giants, what do you expect????????
The Mannings run the decisions on the team and they have a relationship with Jones so to appease the Mannings they wasted a great #6 on someone they could have drafted in round 3
You can bet your house on this - Haskins and the Redskins are going to embarrass the Giants very soon.
Hell, I would have taken the TE from Iowa before Jones
Loved the way some of the announcers on all 3 networks carrying the draft were struggling to say something nice about the Jones kid and figure some logic in the early choice
Even the Cuse QB had better stats in the ACC
Trade OBJ for social/team harmony and draft Jones so you can keep a Eli clone for another 10 years - I'm waiting for them to trade Barkley for a future 10th round choice
Stupid, Insipid and pure BS - That's the NYG football way lately
But I will still watch and root (maybe with a bag and two cutouts for eyes)

Absolutely the Skins will embarrass the Giants they traded up to get Sweat as well and already have Collins (overpaid yes) but they are going for it. The Eagles always had to their already solid oline and dlines. Team is gonna suck for a very long time.

 

[Walker11]

How many more times are people going to argue that he would have been there at 17 when it's far from certain? Stick to the better argument - it was a bad selection because he isn't good

 

[Deepster]

Except a bunch of chips guys won the Superbowl...

Did they? I feel like they overhauled his moves pretty quickly.

 

[UConnNick]

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Knowing how to read can be a curse as a pro athlete in the NYC market.

 

[Walker11]

Also, fwiw, the quote about him falling in love after 3 series in the Senior Bowl is sneaky too. They leave out the beginning where Gettlemen says he loved Jones on film and then went to the Senior Bowl where...

 

[JMick]

Did they? I feel like they overhauled his moves pretty quickly.

I could be wrong but I thought I read that something like 70% of the roster was still chips guys

 

[navery12]

So we've reached the rationalization stage

 

[the Q]

Haskins comments after his selection make me think the giants definitely made the wrong choice.

 

[JMick]

So we've reached the rationalization stage

Nothing else to do unless you just want to be miserable. Which isn't unwarranted

 

[jibsey]

Seeing this on Twitter and it's just painful.

Scenario #1: Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Odell Beckham Jr.

Scenario #2: Saquon Barkley, Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence

Hngh.

Problemwith Barkley? The linemanlooks great so the jury will be out on Jones for about 2 years, but what were the Giants winning this year?

 

[Walker11]

So we've reached the rationalization stage

Your conclusion is on point. It was a terrible pick. Your argument is the stupid part.

 

[navery12]

Your conclusion is on point. It was a terrible pick. Your argument is the stupid part.

Obviously there's no way to know he's 100% there at 17 but that doesn't make it the right decision. It's not worth reaching

 

[The Viking]

A NY writer said the skins were split on QBs.
Snyder wanted Haskins while Gruden and staff wanted Jones. Obviously Snyder wins.

 

[Walker11]

Obviously there's no way to know he's 100% there at 17 but that doesn't make it the right decision. It's not worth reaching

To be clear, in stating that it is a terrible pick, I do in fact agree it wasn't the right decision.

 

[navery12]

To be clear, in stating that it is a terrible pick, I do in fact agree it wasn't the right decision.

Yeah I know. It's just a culmination for me. Even if I justify the Jones pick in them needing a QB and not wanting to risk missing their guy, the Lawrence pick was not great and they paid a ton to move up a few spots for Baker when Greedy Williams and Byron Murphy are also still on the board

 

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[Exit 4]

Silver lining - everything big Mike says/does ends up working out the opposite these days. So I guess we'll see Daniel Jones getting pro bowl consideration this year.

 

[Scoe]

I think Gettleman wanted to be the story of the draft. Congrats you just made the top 10 list of biggest draft day blunders.

 

[NJHusky]

just listened to Francesa interview the kid.....he even sounds like Eli...

 

[AdamaNation]

Whom did you prefer in that spot? I'm not talking about undoing the disastrous sixth pick; I am talking about the 17th pick once that blunder was already made.

Due to this being a passing league a run stuffer would not be a priority this early with other qb hunters and mobile multi dimensional LBs available. We essentially traded snacks for. 4/5 rounder and let Odell go to the younger version of a guy who would dominate the 90’s era. Should have just drafted a fullback.

 

[AdamaNation]

His moves are bad and his defensive justifications are worse.

He says he couldn't "risk" taking Allen at 6 and waiting to draft Jones at 17, even though he had them ranked the same. Huh?

Like you said, Rosen was there -- and for what? A second rounder?

I like Rosen more than Dave Brown 2.0.

Depressing.

We gave Odell away for nothing but couldn’t offer big for Rosen??? Lauretta was better and he’s not even on the team. We also thought that was a wasted second round pick last year. So that’s 2 wasted high picks a row. Draw and quarter Gettleman. Mara your days look to be numbered.

 

[superjohn]

So we've reached the rationalization stage

This always seems to be what happens, it's so predictable. We're experts with it around here after the PP, Diaco, and Ollie years.

 

[AdamaNation]

They've already set in the works Eli for another 3 years then Jones will take over. Giants fans are going to hate Eli and the whole Manning family at the end of this and the Giants have probably set themselves back for a decade.

We are without a winning record in 5 of the last 6 years. If this isn’t the decade now it’s looking like 2 or more.

 

[Madmannsucks]

I guess the good news is there is a 9 year old somewhere dominating his P A L team, who in thirteen years will be the number pick for the Gmen. Gettleman MIGHT be gone by then.

 

[Durks07]

Solid listen here for anyone looking for more information on DJ (recorded on April 9th):

"What could he be if everything clicks and everything goes perfect? Matt Ryan"

Here's hoping.

Daniel Jones 360

Podcast Episode · NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks · April 9, 2019 · 1h 11m

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The big problem with that being that Matt Ryan plays 9+ games in a dome every year. MetLife is nothing like a dome.

 

[superjohn]

I'm starting to think Gettleman is a plant from a rival sent to destroy the Giants. He's been so historically bad in such a short amount of time that it's somehow taken the focus away from how John Mara is the James Dolan of the NFL.

 

[the Q]

I preferred greedy over baker

 

[Rocktheworld]

The big problem with that being that Matt Ryan plays 9+ games in a dome every year. MetLife is nothing like a dome.

And the big joke about Matt Ryan is that he’s Andy Dalton, with a dome.

 

[navery12]

I preferred greedy over baker

I probably would too. But watching Janoris and Greedy skip 15 tackles a game would be hard to watch