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lange10 said:
Would feel a lot better with Josh Allen and Daniel Jones. Can't believe how embarrassing the franchise has become.
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Here we go with another 25 year rebuilding program. Let's have the Mara's take a bow.
 
I can't believe that the NY teams have traded places on Draft Night. Can't wait for a few more drafts when the "Mad Giants Fans" video montages get put together.
 
tcf15 said:
Lol this is a joke right?
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As I said in the other thread, he drafted three Senior Bowl MVP QBs. Webb, Lauletta and Jones. Giants fans need to kidnap him, and put him in a root cellar with a bag over his head during the Senior Bowl. Then erase all video in existence.
 
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tcf15 said:
Seeing this on Twitter and it's just painful.

Scenario #1: Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Odell Beckham Jr.

Scenario #2: Saquon Barkley, Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence, Jabrill Peppers

Hngh.
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Oh yea? Bet I just changed your mind
 
MervthePurvis said:
:eek:
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Whom did you prefer in that spot? I'm not talking about undoing the disastrous sixth pick; I am talking about the 17th pick once that blunder was already made.
 
tcf15 said:
Well, here's one positive on DJ
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The issue isn't Jones vs. Haskins. If we weren't in love with Haskins, that's fine.

The issue is that nobody had Jones rated that highly and nobody would have taken him before #17 (or possibly even later than that). Gettleman reached to make sure he got "his guy", even though he almost certainly could have been taken later and the 6th pick used for an impact DL.
 
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zls44 said:
I hate Dave Gettleman more than I've ever hated any human being in my entire life. I don't want him fired out of a cannon because its a waste of the cannon's talents.
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He would trade it for a Bronze Age catapult with square wheels and hope to get some draft horses the next time around.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
The issue isn't Jones vs. Haskins. If we weren't in love with Haskins, that's fine.

The issue is that nobody had Jones rated that highly and nobody would have taken him before #17 (or possibly even later than that). Gettleman reached to make sure he got "his guy", even though he almost certainly could have been taken later and the 6th pick used for an impact DL.
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Totally agree. I actually like Jones. Intelligence is the most underrated aspect of QB play. Tom Brady could be drafted all over again this year and would still go in the later rounds. I think Jones can be a nice, capable QB who manages games well, doesn't make mistakes and wins. Alex Smith is a comparable. With Barkley and a defense, that's the right approach at QB.
 
HuskyHawk said:
As I said in the other thread, he drafted three Senior Bowl MVP QBs. Webb, Lauletta and Jones. Giants fans need to kidnap him, and put him in a root cellar with a bag over his head during the Senior Bowl. Then erase all video in existence.
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To be fair he only drafted two of them. Reese has to take credit for Webb.
 
I just hope this kid is good dispite Gettleman.

What gets under my skin is 2 different things.

1) Gettleman is a complete LIAR. Sites the whole staying true to your board/best player available stuff when taking Barkley, but then casually shifts to, oh we didn't want someone to take him before 17 stuff with Jones. If they say the had Jones rated higher than Allen or Oliver they are lying.

2) They let Snacks leave for basically nothing. Apple for basically nothing. Let Collins walk. Traded OBJ to replace all of them with unknowns or lesser players. Snacks (Lawrence) Apple (Baker) Collins (Peppers) and OBJ (Tate). Not to mention the timing of all these moves were questionable at BEST.

The other thing that gets me...how about an OL, Dave? Jawaan Taylor and Cody Ford are still there...
 
I'm a GMen fan
It's the Giants, what do you expect????????
The Mannings run the decisions on the team and they have a relationship with Jones so to appease the Mannings they wasted a great #6 on someone they could have drafted in round 3
You can bet your house on this - Haskins and the Redskins are going to embarrass the Giants very soon.
Hell, I would have taken the TE from Iowa before Jones
Loved the way some of the announcers on all 3 networks carrying the draft were struggling to say something nice about the Jones kid and figure some logic in the early choice
Even the Cuse QB had better stats in the ACC
Trade OBJ for social/team harmony and draft Jones so you can keep a Eli clone for another 10 years - I'm waiting for them to trade Barkley for a future 10th round choice
Stupid, Insipid and pure BS - That's the NYG football way lately
But I will still watch and root (maybe with a bag and two cutouts for eyes)
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
The issue isn't Jones vs. Haskins. If we weren't in love with Haskins, that's fine.

The issue is that nobody had Jones rated that highly and nobody would have taken him before #17 (or possibly even later than that). Gettleman reached to make sure he got "his guy", even though he almost certainly could have been taken later and the 6th pick used for an impact DL.
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You don't know that, though. Maybe the broncos wanted him and that's why they traded back
 
To takeaway here is that Gettleman is such a meathead that he feels like he has to prove that he can win going against the grain and doing things his way, just so he can have the last laugh.

Shows a ton of outward arrogance, but also probably a ton of insecurity.

I cannot stand this guy and the fact the Giant ownership hasn't seen enough at this point just shows how directionless they are as well.

If you like Jones, there's absolutely no reason they couldn't have traded down to get more value. Worse case? You miss out and can take Lock, trade for Rosen, etc.

It's almost comical this guy is allowed to be in charge of an NFL team. Almost.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
The issue isn't Jones vs. Haskins. If we weren't in love with Haskins, that's fine.

The issue is that nobody had Jones rated that highly and nobody would have taken him before #17 (or possibly even later than that). Gettleman reached to make sure he got "his guy", even though he almost certainly could have been taken later and the 6th pick used for an impact DL.
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JMick said:
You don't know that, though. Maybe the broncos wanted him and that's why they traded back
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Yeah, it doesn't sound like he would've been available at 17: Why Giants took Duke QB Daniel Jones with sixth pick in NFL draft

And this one too:


Not saying I agree with the pick, but understandable why they took him at 6 if they felt he was their guy and wouldn't be available at 17.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
To takeaway here is that Gettleman is such a meathead that he feels like he has to prove that he can win going against the grain and doing things his way, just so he can have the last laugh.
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Sounds like Chip Kelly in Philly a little. Doing things that no one else understands, hoping to throw it back in everyone's face. That one didn't work, hard to see this one working.

Similar situation over in Oakland. Firing your scouts before the draft, then taking 2 first rounders that are gambles. Gruden also likes to think he's smarter than anyone....even though he won once with Tony Dungy's team.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
To takeaway here is that Gettleman is such a meathead that he feels like he has to prove that he can win going against the grain and doing things his way, just so he can have the last laugh.

Shows a ton of outward arrogance, but also probably a ton of insecurity.

I cannot stand this guy and the fact the Giant ownership hasn't seen enough at this point just shows how directionless they are as well.

If you like Jones, there's absolutely no reason they couldn't have traded down to get more value. Worse case? You miss out and can take Lock, trade for Rosen, etc.

It's almost comical this guy is allowed to be in charge of an NFL team. Almost.
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You pretty much nailed it....he has to prove he is the smartest guy in the room...that's fine if you really ARE the smartest guy in the room. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with Odell....but this just proves he's in over his head.

What has also become painfully clear over the past few years...John Mara is no Wellington...just because you were born into a business, doesn't mean you are qualified to run it!!
 
ConnHuskBask said:
To takeaway here is that Gettleman is such a meathead that he feels like he has to prove that he can win going against the grain and doing things his way, just so he can have the last laugh.

Shows a ton of outward arrogance, but also probably a ton of insecurity.

I cannot stand this guy and the fact the Giant ownership hasn't seen enough at this point just shows how directionless they are as well.

If you like Jones, there's absolutely no reason they couldn't have traded down to get more value. Worse case? You miss out and can take Lock, trade for Rosen, etc.

It's almost comical this guy is allowed to be in charge of an NFL team. Almost.
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His moves are bad and his defensive justifications are worse.

He says he couldn't "risk" taking Allen at 6 and waiting to draft Jones at 17, even though he had them ranked the same. Huh?

Like you said, Rosen was there -- and for what? A second rounder?

I like Rosen more than Dave Brown 2.0.

Depressing.
 
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If you weren’t gonna take Allen, do a short deal down with a team like det and get another asset.
 
the Q said:
If you weren’t gonna take Allen, do a short deal down with a team like det and get another asset.
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Or draft Josh Allen or Oliver, gamble that your guy is there at 17. If he's not, trade down to the 2nd, trade that for Rosen, and pocket the asset difference.
 
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