As I said, all of those transfers knew before hand that they would be in line to start this year and they left anyway. What does that tell you? As a recruiter you have to know the players you're recruiting, and clearly MM didn't recruit the right type of players for the atmosphere she coaches in.
I think we are looking too hard to find fault here. MM certainly didn't bring in anyone who caused Taya Reimer or Erin Boley to want to leave. If Ali Patberg was afraid of competing against Lili Thompson then ND made the right choice IMO. Jordan Nixon is from NYC she wasn't afraid of competing with anyone. Kids become unhappy at all programs for different reasons at different times. BTW the ND roster had to be supplemented with walk ons during much of the time that people are accusing MM or chasing people off-does not compute.
I think Nixon and Patterson realized that they weren't going to start, even after the five starters moved on. Patterson even said that one of the reasons she was going to transfer was that MM couldn't promise a starting spot, only significantly more playing time. She seen the writing on the wall that Brunelle would most likely start.
Reimer and Boley were both players that didn't live up to their rankings at ND. They didn't live up to them either at their new destinations. I think MM was very hard on them, because she expected a lot out of them. They couldn't handle the pressure.
That just not the case. Without a approved waiver exemption Jessica Shepard would still be in uniform for ND.
Gotta know the players you're recruiting. What player is guaranteed a starting spot? Those things shake out at practices.
Still not computing that Nixon leaves because of Sniezak. Sniezak announced her decision to come to ND in April. Nixon announced she was leaving AFTER attending a summer session at ND and while she was at USA basketball playing with the U19 team in July. It took Nixon exactly 1 week to announce her new school.
What does that say about Geno with Boykin, Lexi, Coombs, AEH, Butler and Z all leaving before their time? Yes I know there are all valid reasons why kids leave (ours AND theirs). We are also thin on experience and Bench and thankfully only have 1 injured player. You never know, you do you’re best and sometimes it just doesn’t work out. She did recruit well, atmosphere at ND can be just as much or more hard on players than UConn if you don’t have the right makeup. To me, MM wants her team to have that “chip on their shoulder” and an “us against the world attitude” and some players don’t like that-Jewell Lloyd, Boley to name two. It happens. One thing for certain with her, she will get the most out of her team this year. This is remarkable in that she also keeps losing coaches now so a newer staff as well.
Turner was part of a 3 player class in '14. Arike and Marina were part of 2 player class in '15. Young was part of a 2 player class in '16.
OMG! How does that saying go about those that live in glass houses.What does that say about Geno with Boykin, Lexi, Coombs, AEH, Butler and Z all leaving before their time? Yes I know there are all valid reasons why kids leave (ours AND theirs). We are also thin on experience and Bench and thankfully only have 1 injured player. You never know, you do you’re best and sometimes it just doesn’t work out. She did recruit well, atmosphere at ND can be just as much or more hard on players than UConn if you don’t have the right makeup. To me, MM wants her team to have that “chip on their shoulder” and an “us against the world attitude” and some players don’t like that-Jewell Lloyd, Boley to name two. It happens. One thing for certain with her, she will get the most out of her team this year. This is remarkable in that she also keeps losing coaches now so a newer staff as well.
As I said in the game thread, she’s like Jason/Freddy Kruger you cant just assume she’s dead cuz of a 5-4 record and a few more tough games on the OOC. She has a way of surviving and doing very well when people think she’s down...
What does that say about Geno with Boykin, Lexi, Coombs, AEH, Butler and Z all leaving before their time? Yes I know there are all valid reasons why kids leave (ours AND theirs). We are also thin on experience and Bench and thankfully only have 1 injured player. You never know, you do you’re best and sometimes it just doesn’t work out. She did recruit well, atmosphere at ND can be just as much or more hard on players than UConn if you don’t have the right makeup. To me, MM wants her team to have that “chip on their shoulder” and an “us against the world attitude” and some players don’t like that-Jewell Lloyd, Boley to name two. It happens. One thing for certain with her, she will get the most out of her team this year. This is remarkable in that she also keeps losing coaches now so a newer staff as well.
As I said in the game thread, she’s like Jason/Freddy Kruger you cant just assume she’s dead cuz of a 5-4 record and a few more tough games on the OOC. She has a way of surviving and doing very well when people think she’s down...
I don't know what to say. I agree, those things go shake out at practice. If Patterson stayed, she would probably be playing out-of-position next to Brunelle for ND. Who knows who would have started at the 4 the first game. She really didn't contribute much for ND, and I don't know who's fault that is. She didn't get more playing time as sophomore, but wouldn't she get more if she was showing results in practice? I know that MM stuck with her starters last year a lot, and possibly to a fault.
The three incoming ND graduate transfers were all guards so what graduate transfers cause forwards Boley, Patterson, & Reimer to transfer?
Maybe she noticed that they were recruiting pretty hard for a PG. ND was going after Bueckers hard, and then of course went hard after Clark. I couldn't tell you. MM didn't have any confidence with her the end of the season. Maybe that's what you're alluding to? Muffett is hard and expects a lot from her players.
What? I am not impugning our coaching AT ALL. I (and I hate saying it) am saying ND is fine despite transfers, injuries and Ivey leaving. Duffy also recently left so she has had changeover in staff as well. You’re reading into things that are not there.
In my experience the coaches that don't expect a lot from their players end up getting exactly that. I'm not sure that's what you intended but you are giving me some very good reason to like MM.
You guys are really digging deep and coming up so empty. Duffy the current coach at Marquette?
Shepard, who those players knew might stay for 2 years. No one knows when they were aware of her coming in.
Boykin and AEH left for non basketball reasons. Lexi and Coombs got one good look at CW and CD and realized they weren't going to play the next few years. Butler also left because she knew she wasn't going to play. Most of the players that transferred from ND knew the opposite, that they were going to play. They left any way. Z did exactly what Jackie did.What does that say about Geno with Boykin, Lexi, Coombs, AEH, Butler and Z all leaving before their time? Yes I know there are all valid reasons why kids leave (ours AND theirs). We are also thin on experience and Bench and thankfully only have 1 injured player. You never know, you do you’re best and sometimes it just doesn’t work out. She did recruit well, atmosphere at ND can be just as much or more hard on players than UConn if you don’t have the right makeup. To me, MM wants her team to have that “chip on their shoulder” and an “us against the world attitude” and some players don’t like that-Jewell Lloyd, Boley to name two. It happens. One thing for certain with her, she will get the most out of her team this year. This is remarkable in that she also keeps losing coaches now so a newer staff as well.
As I said in the game thread, she’s like Jason/Freddy Kruger you cant just assume she’s dead cuz of a 5-4 record and a few more tough games on the OOC. She has a way of surviving and doing very well when people think she’s down...
I agree with what you say here. Again, ya gotta have a better idea of what you're recruiting.
Don't think so! By the time Shepard transferred to ND Boley was already at Oregon and Reimer was already at Michigan State. Patterson was in her Senior year of HS.
"No one knows what happened but it's clear" Lol. The irony astounds.
Got it! " no one knows what happened": "but it's clear that MM put all her eggs in one basket".
Shephard announced she was transferring from Nebraska on March 27, 2017.
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