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Notre Dame Loses - who is the #1 seed now? (Merged thread)

hussybulldog said:
I meant no real challenger for the rest of the season, so both

MSSU/UConn's fates are now in other team's hands.
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Agreed on no challenges left really. SC is playing well but it’s a mismatch. UConn fates are in their own hands. MS St won’t leap them.
 
Plebe said:
This is not necessarily true. The committee cares a lot more about quality wins than quality losses, and even a 3-loss Oregon team will have more quality wins than UConn will.
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Yes but if UConn continues to click like last game the eye test will come into play. Advantage UConn. It will be interesting for sure.
 
ND losing in any sport never gets old, and their men's BB team is having a very rough go of it as well. On top of that, South Bend Central HS continues to lose the Indiana State HS Championship game to the Hickory Huskers every time the movie "Hoosiers" is on. Dark days in South Bend.
 
What if Stanford beats Oregon Sunday and again in the Pac 12 tournament, with no other losses? Does that earn a 1 seed? A potential wrench in the plans.
 
bbballfan23 said:
Yes but if UConn continues to click like last game the eye test will come into play. Advantage UConn. It will be interesting for sure.
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Doubtful. Fans tend to overstate the "eye test" as a factor. That will never trump a qualitative difference in resume strength, and it won't mitigate the fact that SC and UCF are the only remaining top-50 teams on the schedule.
 
Bear11 said:
What if Stanford beats Oregon Sunday and again in the Pac 12 tournament, with no other losses? Does that earn a 1 seed? A potential wrench in the plans.
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They have some ground to make up, but it's possible. In addition if they won out that would also include Oregon St. and Arizona St., plus whoever they faced in the conference tourney. Tennessee in OOC lost a lot of its luster, but the win over Baylor has improved as the season has progressed.
 
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Plebe said:
Doubtful. Fans tend to overstate the "eye test" as a factor. That will never trump a qualitative difference in resume strength, and it won't mitigate the fact that SC and UCF are the only remaining top-50 teams on the schedule.
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It’s UConn dude. When it comes to seeding, the fact we have that guy named Geno & possibly 2 All-Americans will carry some weight. Don’t worry, I’ll be back to say I told you so after it happens ;)
 
My guess on the committee rankings:
  1. Lou
  2. Bay
  3. Ore
  4. UConn
  5. ND
  6. Miss St
  7. Stan
  8. who the hell knows
 
Jmsdawg said:
Then I hope we do not win out, a number 2 seed at a region not Albany is preferable to a number 1 seed at Albany!
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Sort of 6 of 1, half dozen of another. Normally it's possible to look at teams that have good or bad matchups against each other and say "I hope we get a team who matches up poorly with us". But this year, every team has struggled, even against teams who aren't that good. It's part of the joy of parity!!
 
vowelguy said:
My guess on the committee rankings:
  1. Lou
  2. Bay
  3. Ore
  4. UConn
  5. ND
  6. Miss St
  7. Stan
  8. who the hell knows
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I agree with these rankings, and I believe #8 is Marquette.
 
Plebe said:
I agree with these rankings, and I believe #8 is Marquette.
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I dunno. The 3 best teams that Marquette played were all losses. Their resume is not strong.
 
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vowelguy said:
I dunno. The 3 best teams that Marquette played were all losses. Their resume is not strong.
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Marquette lives by the3 point shot, if they are hitting from outside they can beat anybody. I would certainly think they are a 2 seed.
 
So there will be a minor celebration in the house tonight with ND's loss.

As to the committee, who nows and right now I don't care.
 
vowelguy said:
I dunno. The 3 best teams that Marquette played were all losses. Their resume is not strong.
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This. I don’t think they have a victory over a team in the top 25, and they may not get one. Close losses to good teams are helpful in Massey, but not to the committee.
 
vowelguy said:
I dunno. The 3 best teams that Marquette played were all losses. Their resume is not strong.
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True, but neither is their competition for that #8 spot. Oregon State, NC State, Maryland, Syracuse and South Carolina have similar weaknesses in their resumes.
 
Plebe said:
True, but neither is their competition for that #8 spot. Oregon State, NC State, Maryland, Syracuse and South Carolina have similar weaknesses in their resumes.
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Hence my who-the-hell-knows comment. The gap between 7 and 8 is LARGE.
 
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vowelguy said:
Hence my who-the-hell-knows comment. The gap between 7 and 8 is LARGE.
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Indeed.
And even if it goes to Marquette for now, It's likely to be very temporary, because most of the other teams mentioned have much higher ceilings based on remaining schedule. Beating Butler, Villanova and maybe DePaul in the BE tournament won't likely be enough to hang on to the final #2 seed.
 
vowelguy said:
Oh please. Stop this nonsense.
She had UConn at #4 this week.
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Why do you continue to tell posters to stop when they post something with which you don't agree. Who are you to call something nonsense? Because she has them at number four does not mean she has grown any fonder of UConn.
 
Plebe said:
And here's our answer:
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Charlie Creme is so smart. Every time a team loses he says, "oops I need to change my mind".

I've often said, a third grader could do his job just as efficiently. Just look at the polls on Tuesday morning and go with top 4 as #1 seeds 5 through 8 as #2 seeds, so on and so on.
 
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geewago said:
Charlie Creme is so smart. Every time a team loses he says, "oops I need to change my mind".

I've often said, a third grader could do his job just as efficiently. Just look at the polls on Tuesday morning and go with top 4 as #1 seeds 5 through 8 as #2 seeds, so on and so on.
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Well, a loss can hurt a team's resume and thereby lower their seeding. Just as a win can help a team's resume and improve their seeding. How else is it supposed to work?

Bracketology and the polls are not the same. Sometimes they coincide, sometimes they don't. Stanford is currently #11 in both polls but #7 in his bracketology ranking. Just to cite one example.
 
geewago said:
Charlie Creme is so smart. Every time a team loses he says, "oops I need to change my mind".

I've often said, a third grader could do his job just as efficiently. Just look at the polls on Tuesday morning and go with top 4 as #1 seeds 5 through 8 as #2 seeds, so on and so on.
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I doubt that.
 
As long as UCONN takes care of South Carolina we should be the 1 seed. The other thing to keep in mind is that Louisville and ND could most likely meet again. I could easily see Louisville beating ND on a neutral court... ND could have 4 losses going into the tournament to UCONN's 2. I bet Charlie Creme feels foolish now saying that ND's 1 seed was not in question....
 
Creme is not trying to project how the seedings will look at the end of the sesaon. He is predicting how they would look if the season ended right now. It is not a listing of the best teams, but the most deserving teams. This is why Marquette will be hard pressed to earn a 2 seed, and why Notre Dame will likely get the benefit of the doubt on their losses.
 
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