Not Developing or Not Identifying Talent?

[MexicoHusky]

I've been looking at Dan Hurley's record with incoming freshman. I think I have covered everyone and it's not the best look. In four years we've developed 4 players that I'd consider starting caliber players (bouk, Jackson, sanogo and Hawkins)

Sid Wilson - transfer
Brendan Adams - transfer
Bouknight - nba
Akok - transfer
Gaff - transfer
Sanogo - current starter
Jackson - current starter
Springs - minimal minutes
Javonte Brown - transfer
Corey Floyd - transfer
Diggins - transfer
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore

The reasons why guys on the above list didn't work out are all over the map. We've also entered the transfer portal era. Which changes everything and hit us hard this year.

I'm not 100% sure what to make of this. We've clearly improved. NCAA two years in a row is improvement. But if this was the pre-portal era I'd think Dan Hurley is in significant trouble. Four players in four years that actually see legit playing time..... combined with a massive number of transfers. Dan Hurley definitely needs to do better and I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm not sure if he's struggling to develop players or struggling to identify talent.

One thing we do have going for us. Of the 4 players that I identified earlier, 3 of them are still on the team and will be starting next year.

 

[uchusky32]

This is going to be a long summer.

 

[MexicoHusky]

This is going to be a long summer.

I hope so. As soon as the ice melts on the MN lakes I'll be sailing as much as possible.

 

[navery12]

But if this was the pre-portal era I'd think Dan Hurley is in significant trouble.

Well luckily it's not the pre-portal era and he also developed 2 transfers into top Big East players

 

[MexicoHusky]

Well luckily it's not the pre-portal era and he also developed 2 transfers into top Big East players

Good point. Arguably our two best transfers ever.

 

[auror]

I'm not 100% sure what to make of this. We've clearly improved. NCAA two years in a row is improvement. But if this was the pre-portal era I'd think Dan Hurley is in significant trouble. Four players in four years that actually see legit playing time..... combined with a massive number of transfers. Dan Hurley definitely needs to do better and I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm not sure if he's struggling to develop players or struggling to identify talent.

Well luckily it's not the pre-portal era and he also developed 2 transfers into top Big East players

And if this were pre-portal era, at least a couple of those guys don't transfer out.

 

[imno1]

I hope so. As soon as the ice melts on the MN lakes I'll be sailing as much as possible.

So sailing in July aye?

 

[bendm]

I'm not 100% sure what to make of this.

i am.

 

[MexicoHusky]

So sailing in July aye?

Ha. Fall sailing is actually fantastic. Almost all of the motor boat traffic is gone and the wind picks up. I may get a week into November. Definitely late October.

Edit: July is actually not the best up here. Limited wind and the lakes are a zoo. The boat launch in particular. Lots of drunk a-***** at the boat launch.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I've been looking at Dan Hurley's record with incoming freshman. I think I have covered everyone and it's not the best look. In four years we've developed 4 players that I'd consider starting caliber players (bouk, Jackson, sanogo and Hawkins)

Sid Wilson - transfer
Brendan Adams - transfer
Bouknight - nba
Akok - transfer
Gaff - transfer
Sanogo - current starter
Jackson - current starter
Springs - minimal minutes
Javonte Brown - transfer
Corey Floyd - transfer
Diggins - transfer
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore

The reasons why guys on the above list didn't work out are all over the map. We've also entered the transfer portal era. Which changes everything and hit us hard this year.

I'm not 100% sure what to make of this. We've clearly improved. NCAA two years in a row is improvement. But if this was the pre-portal era I'd think Dan Hurley is in significant trouble. Four players in four years that actually see legit playing time..... combined with a massive number of transfers. Dan Hurley definitely needs to do better and I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm not sure if he's struggling to develop players or struggling to identify talent.

One thing we do have going for us. Of the 4 players that I identified earlier, 3 of them are still on the team and will be starting next year.

That isn’t good. Transfers aren’t going to represent us in the NBA. I mentioned this in another thread, but Hurley has to do a better job of developing his recruits. This is not okay.

 

[6xChamps]

Sid Wilson - transfer inherited player, shouldnt be on this list.
Brendan Adams - transfer was a solid gap filler, transferred to more minutes once the talent level increased
Bouknight - nba lottery pick
Akok - transfer injury derailed his college career
Gaff - transfer something went wrong here
Sanogo - current starter likely preseason all american next year
Jackson - current starter captain of the team next year
Springs - minimal minutes likely on track with his development plan
Javonte Brown - transfer realistically a guy that probably wasn't ready to contribute until year 3/4
Corey Floyd - transfer wish we couldve kept him but tbd
Diggins - transfer wish we couldve kept him but tbd
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes likely on track with his development plan
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore as advertised thus far

 

[Edward Sargent]

Sid Wilson - transfer inherited player, shouldnt be on this list.
Brendan Adams - transfer was a solid gap filler, transferred to more minutes once the talent level increased
Bouknight - nba lottery pick
Akok - transfer injury derailed his college career
Gaff - transfer something went wrong here
Sanogo - current starter likely preseason all american next year
Jackson - current starter captain of the team next year
Springs - minimal minutes likely on track with his development plan
Javonte Brown - transfer realistically a guy that probably wasn't ready to contribute until year 3/4
Corey Floyd - transfer wish we couldve kept him but tbd
Diggins - transfer wish we couldve kept him but tbd
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes likely on track with his development plan
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore as advertised thus far

Thanks for the perspective

 

[MexicoHusky]

Sid Wilson - transfer inherited player, shouldnt be on this list.
Brendan Adams - transfer was a solid gap filler, transferred to more minutes once the talent level increased
Bouknight - nba lottery pick
Akok - transfer injury derailed his college career
Gaff - transfer something went wrong here
Sanogo - current starter likely preseason all american next year
Jackson - current starter captain of the team next year
Springs - minimal minutes likely on track with his development plan
Javonte Brown - transfer realistically a guy that probably wasn't ready to contribute until year 3/4
Corey Floyd - transfer wish we couldve kept him but tbd
Diggins - transfer wish we couldve kept him but tbd
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes likely on track with his development plan
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore as advertised thus far

This is fair commentary. Lots of different reasons. Many if not most of the transfers can be rationalized in some way. But as Parcells says, at some point you are what your record says. Dan Hurley's record includes a lot of players leaving.

 

[navery12]

This is fair commentary. Lots of different reasons. Many if not most of the transfers can be rationalized in some way. But as Parcells says, at some point you are what your record says. Dan Hurley's record includes a lot of players leaving.

Which is a fair point, but it's also an incomplete point. 13 player list but 3 of those transfers happened in the past month and will be replaced. If we end up with good players to replace Akok, Diggins, Floyd that's not really a loss

 

[businesslawyer]

This is fair commentary. Lots of different reasons. Many if not most of the transfers can be rationalized in some way. But as Parcells says, at some point you are what your record says. Dan Hurley's record includes a lot of players leaving.

In this day and age, everyone’s record includes players leaving. Is his three year track record worse than a P6 average?

 

[olehead]

Sid Wilson - transfer inherited player, shouldnt be on this list.
Brendan Adams - transfer was a solid gap filler, transferred to more minutes once the talent level increased
Bouknight - nba lottery pick
Akok - transfer injury derailed his college career
Gaff - transfer something went wrong here
Sanogo - current starter likely preseason all american next year
Jackson - current starter captain of the team next year
Springs - minimal minutes likely on track with his development plan
Javonte Brown - transfer realistically a guy that probably wasn't ready to contribute until year 3/4
Corey Floyd - transfer wish we couldve kept him but tbd
Diggins - transfer wish we couldve kept him but tbd
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes likely on track with his development plan
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore as advertised thus far

Whole Lotta Dan Hurley excuses to choose from on this list. Dude needs to lock-in or find someone who can get it done. Dan Hurley appears in over his head quite a bit.

 

[olehead]

In this day and age, everyone’s record includes players leaving. Is his three year track record worse than a P6 average?

How often does anyone strive to be like everyone else? Did you seek the median in law school?

 

[Deleted at users request]

Which is a fair point, but it's also an incomplete point. 13 player list but 3 of those transfers happened in the past month and will be replaced. If we end up with good players to replace Akok, Diggins, Floyd that's not really a loss

Why couldn’t Hurley recruit and develop players to be good in the first place?

 

[JMick]

I don't think player development is an issue. Look at how much better CV got under Hurley. Jackson got a lot better this year. Bouknight got so much better. Sanogo has come really far. Martin got better. Whaley got better.

The only guys that didn't get better are guys who lost a lot of time to injury and Gaffney. The rest are tbd

 

[Hillhouse]

How often does anyone strive to be like everyone else? Did you seek the median in law school?

Not developing that’s the difference between D. H. and Calhoun

 

[KingKong139]

I've been looking at Dan Hurley's record with incoming freshman. I think I have covered everyone and it's not the best look. In four years we've developed 4 players that I'd consider starting caliber players (bouk, Jackson, sanogo and Hawkins)

Sid Wilson - transfer
Brendan Adams - transfer
Bouknight - nba
Akok - transfer
Gaff - transfer
Sanogo - current starter
Jackson - current starter
Springs - minimal minutes
Javonte Brown - transfer
Corey Floyd - transfer
Diggins - transfer
Samson Johnson - minimal minutes
Jordan Hawkins - solid player. Likely starter as sophomore

The reasons why guys on the above list didn't work out are all over the map. We've also entered the transfer portal era. Which changes everything and hit us hard this year.

I'm not 100% sure what to make of this. We've clearly improved. NCAA two years in a row is improvement. But if this was the pre-portal era I'd think Dan Hurley is in significant trouble. Four players in four years that actually see legit playing time..... combined with a massive number of transfers. Dan Hurley definitely needs to do better and I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm not sure if he's struggling to develop players or struggling to identify talent.

One thing we do have going for us. Of the 4 players that I identified earlier, 3 of them are still on the team and will be starting next year.

Sid was an Ollie guy….

 

[Banta55]

Whole Lotta Dan Hurley excuses to choose from on this list. Dude needs to lock-in or find someone who can get it done. Dan Hurley appears in over his head quite a bit.

In over his head, did you fall on yours that ridiculous

 

[AdamaNation]

Good point. Arguably our two best transfers ever.

Yes …..but crunch time kromah !

 

[MexicoHusky]

Yes …..but crunch time kromah !

We've had the "best transfer" discussion a few times. Prior to Cole and Martin, my unofficial score keeping has Selvie and Q Hardnett tied for best transfer ever. But Martin and Cole top those guys in my opinion.

 

[navery12]

Why couldn’t Hurley recruit and develop players to be good in the first place?

He can and has, open your eyes

 

[8893]

Barring injuries, this season should tell us a lot more about both than we know now.

 

[Deleted at users request]

He can and has, open your eyes

4/14 is not a good rate.

I have a question too, what exactly did Bouknight, Jackson, and Sanogo get better at?

 

[Icehawk]

As we do better, we can recruit better kids - and right now combined with the Covid year & transfer rule we are where we are. I think yet again we'll end up with a better team than the year before.

 

[CbbisGreat]

Total nonsense . transfers our the way of the college basketball world right now .The rules of basketball allow 5 players to be on the court for each team . Anyone who has ever competed at this high a level wants to play .Those who do not play or think they wont play look to transfer to somewhere they will see the court. Welcome to CBB in 2022 .
To blame Hurley for his is unfounded ,

 

[LIuconn]

Now do our peers. I bet it's closer to normal than the outlier you try painting it as