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It’s summer, so it is Big 12 season.

I cannot think of a less interesting place for us to go outside of the American. Just no appeal whatsoever. But if there’s a P4 seat, you gotta take a P4 seat.

But absolutely giggling at the idea that the Big 12 would need a financial plan from us. Do you see what we’re doing now, hayseeds? We will do that, but with more money. And the fact that they mention “instate haters” makes me think they’re pulling stuff out of their asses. The ‘haters’ would be the national media and maybe one of our senators.
 
There remains three obstacles to the B12.
1) Getting the B12 holdouts on board...not sure the exact list, probably the western most schools need the most convincing.
2) CT accepting the financial challenge. The B12 fears that when they add us we will suddenly quit funding the deficits and rest. They want to see a financial plan the bridges us to the point when we get a full share which is way out in time (5-7 years).
3) We have a loud faction of instate B12 haters who are waiting for the ACC. These haters need to come around before any restart of the B12 discussion. The UConn BOT and other select admins need to get that work done in private ahead of time.

I’m all for the ACC if it can happen - don’t know the odds and risk. All I know is we need out. We should start holding country concerts at halftime to show the B12 we’re onboard.
 
There remains three obstacles to the B12.
1) Getting the B12 holdouts on board...not sure the exact list, probably the western most schools need the most convincing.
2) CT accepting the financial challenge. The B12 fears that when they add us we will suddenly quit funding the deficits and rest. They want to see a financial plan the bridges us to the point when we get a full share which is way out in time (5-7 years).
3) We have a loud faction of instate B12 haters who are waiting for the ACC. These haters need to come around before any restart of the B12 discussion. The UConn BOT and other select admins need to get that work done in private ahead of time.
Where are you getting this from?
 
What I was told from a good source the first and second time Brett Yormark pushed UConn.
I definitely believe that to be true. I'm just not sure that a five-year financial plan and an apology from Chris Murphy are part of their checklist.
 
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It’s summer, so it is Big 12 season.

I cannot think of a less interesting place for us to go outside of the American. Just no appeal whatsoever. But if there’s a P4 seat, you gotta take a P4 seat.

But absolutely giggling at the idea that the Big 12 would need a financial plan from us. Do you see what we’re doing now, hayseeds? We will do that, but with more money. And the fact that they mention “instate haters” makes me think they’re pulling stuff out of their asses. The ‘haters’ would be the national media and maybe one of our senators.
Its a legit question because they are going to take all our $$ in the deal just like the ACC took all of SMU's $$.

And there are a lot of B12 haters in CT. They fire up their key boards as soon as Brett looks our way. You dont see it in the Hudson Valley.
 
There remains three obstacles to the B12.
1) Getting the B12 holdouts on board...not sure the exact list, probably the western most schools need the most convincing.
2) CT accepting the financial challenge. The B12 fears that when they add us we will suddenly quit funding the deficits and rest. They want to see a financial plan the bridges us to the point when we get a full share which is way out in time (5-7 years).
3) We have a loud faction of instate B12 haters who are waiting for the ACC. These haters need to come around before any restart of the B12 discussion. The UConn BOT and other select admins need to get that work done in private ahead of time.
I don't follow this as close as others but the "holdouts" seem to be the schools that think the Big 12 can somehow become a football powerhouse on par with the B1G and SEC. Delusional schools like Utah, OK State, Colorado, and Texas Tech first and foremost.
 
We should start holding country concerts at halftime to show the B12 we’re onboard.
I would literally stop going to games if we did that. Turning yourself into who you think others want you to be is never the right answer.
 
I would literally stop going to games if we did that. Turning yourself into who you think others want you to be is never the right answer.
Well, country is growing.
It’s summer, so it is Big 12 season.

I cannot think of a less interesting place for us to go outside of the American. Just no appeal whatsoever. But if there’s a P4 seat, you gotta take a P4 seat.

But absolutely giggling at the idea that the Big 12 would need a financial plan from us. Do you see what we’re doing now, hayseeds? We will do that, but with more money. And the fact that they mention “instate haters” makes me think they’re pulling stuff out of their asses. The ‘haters’ would be the national media and maybe one of our senators.
You have to take the P4 seat, up until the point you have intel or leverage in getting the ACC onboard. Don't love the B12 spot either outside of some very cool hoops matchups annually and relevant football against real universities.
 
Well, country is growing.

You have to take the P4 seat, up until the point you have intel or leverage in getting the ACC onboard. Don't love the B12 spot either outside of some very cool hoops matchups annually and relevant football against real universities.

Yeah, it's a no-brainer, but the thought of having to stay up later than usual to see a road game at Arizona State or Colorado or some directional Texas is so unappealing.
 
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Its a legit question because they are going to take all our $$ in the deal just like the ACC took all of SMU's $$.

And there are a lot of B12 haters in CT. They fire up their key boards as soon as Brett looks our way. You dont see it in the Hudson Valley.
Yeah but if we get the SMU deal we would actually come out better since the CFP and Tier 3 money would be bigger than the BE payout, so the deficit spending a would naturally decrease. Doesn't add up imo.

I also think there's less of an appetite from Fox to fund the addition since it is likely they will have to commit serious money for the CFP expansion.
 
The fact that many of us would rather see Seton Hall than Texas Tech just doesn’t make any sense to them. We won’t care about Texas Tech until our games against them matter.

People on both sides are over analyzing this. We will show up for P4 football games and we will perform as a basketball school year in and year out. It’s all been done before and we were good at it.
 
Yeah, it's a no-brainer, but the thought of having to stay up later than usual to see a road game at Arizona State or Colorado or some directional Texas is so unappealing.
I am right there with you -- but the prospect of an early evening watching a grappling match against an underwhelming Big East foe is rather appalling as well. It would be nice if the actual basketball season wasn't the OOC games and then the NCAA tournament.
 
I am right there with you -- but the prospect of an early evening watching a grappling match against an underwhelming Big East foe is rather appalling as well. It would be nice if the actual basketball season wasn't the OOC games and then the NCAA tournament.

I’m over it too - not into wrestling matches with DePaul anymore. Better to be somewhere you get a real sense of the field.
 
Yeah, it's a no-brainer, but the thought of having to stay up later than usual to see a road game at Arizona State or Colorado or some directional Texas is so unappealing.

Our new rivals might be for Basketball:
Kansas,
Arizona,
Houston,
maybe BYU
WVU and Cincy could have buzz as old conference mates. We'd revive WVU and Cincy.

Football - really all schools are on a rather equal footing with no relationships other than WVU and UCF standing out. Houston, Cincy, K State and Iowa State would be our most winnable games. Colorado, TCU, Baylor, Arizona and Arizona St would be wild as big boy football. Schools like Texas Tx and Oklahoma State might feel like an out of body experience. Kansas might be the game we want most.
 
Our new rivals might be for Basketball:
Kansas,
Arizona,
Houston,
maybe BYU
WVU and Cincy could have buzz as old conference mates. We'd revive WVU and Cincy.

Football - really all schools are on a rather equal footing with no relationships other than WVU and UCF standing out. Houston, Cincy, K State and Iowa State would be our most winnable games. Colorado, TCU, Baylor, Arizona and Arizona St would be wild as big boy football. Schools like Texas Tx and Oklahoma State might feel like an out of body experience. Kansas might be the game we want most.


Our FB is such S that we have no rivals there. We just need to win. Hoops would have some fun matchups - throw in Iowa St for hoops.
 
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Our new rivals might be for Basketball:
Kansas,
Arizona,
Houston,
maybe BYU
WVU and Cincy could have buzz as old conference mates. We'd revive WVU and Cincy.

Football - really all schools are on a rather equal footing with no relationships other than WVU and UCF standing out. Houston, Cincy, K State and Iowa State would be our most winnable games. Colorado, TCU, Baylor, Arizona and Arizona St would be wild as big boy football. Schools like Texas Tx and Oklahoma State might feel like an out of body experience. Kansas might be the game we want most.

The problem with joining the Big 12 would be that our rivals would not actually be our rivals. We could be there for 50 years and not be the school that any of them consider to be their rival.

It's like when SU went to the ACC and were beating their chests about the new rivalry with Duke. Just never was a thing.
 
The problem with joining the Big 12 would be that our rivals would not actually be our rivals. We could be there for 50 years and not be the school that any of them consider to be their rival.

It's like when SU went to the ACC and were beating their chests about the new rivalry with Duke. Just never was a thing.

We are experienced in this - see ConFLiCT.

We can make a dozen more such unloved trophies.
 
The problem with joining the Big 12 would be that our rivals would not actually be our rivals. We could be there for 50 years and not be the school that any of them consider to be their rival.

It's like when SU went to the ACC and were beating their chests about the new rivalry with Duke. Just never was a thing.

That’s the problem - they were shooting above their weight class. They had plenty of natural rivals. Issue is they all went to S simultaneously. To be a rival of anyone you have to be good first.

I’d say in hoops we could probably pick up a pretty quick rivalry with Kansas as a fellow “blue blood”. I’m sure they are raging too hard for Mizzou or KSt anymore.
 
The problem with joining the Big 12 would be that our rivals would not actually be our rivals. We could be there for 50 years and not be the school that any of them consider to be their rival.

It's like when SU went to the ACC and were beating their chests about the new rivalry with Duke. Just never was a thing.

A conference tournament in KC and no close by conference home games won't fly long term. The Big 12 really isn't a good fit. I am very skeptical.

Edit: This doesn't mean I'm a Big East guy. Just being honest.
 
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I'd be totally jacked about the Big 12. We'd play Cinci and WVU who were actually our rivals in the Big East. Then you have the basketball schools who we have a little bit of recent history with and whose games would be Big Monday material. It could be much worse. Think of puke and unc now having to play bcu cuse and cal regularly. 20 years ago all I knew about Cretin was that it was one of those mid-majors which always lost in the 1st round. Now it is one of our most bitter rivals in the Big East. Other than UCF and Colorado, the Big 12 Conference would be great basketball. And there would most likely be another eastern school or two added.

People have misconceptions about the Northeast. Many people around here like both kinds of music, country and western. They are the most popular, after all. Heck, we have Horsebarn Hill! Let the bands play halftime and think outside the pen



 
I think they can get Louisville, but can't think of any other school that would go.

If the Big 12 had any sense back in the day, they would have moved on UL when they went after WV.

That ship has sailed, though. They're not getting them now.

Amazing how bad all these conferences outside of the SEC were at realignment, ain't it?
 
If the Big 12 had any sense back in the day, they would have moved on UL when they went after WV.

That ship has sailed, though. They're not getting them now.

Amazing how bad all these conferences outside of the SEC were at realignment, ain't it?

Not sure I’d call what the B10 did bad. They have a much different method to their madness, positioning them as the best conference in the country and it starts with money. Accumulating programs that are prestigious and affluent will win when $$ drives the bus. As someone said, in the SEC the boosters are car dealerships, in the B10 they are car manufacturers.

I expect them to begin whooping butt regularly. The SEC is lucky it has Texas and Florida. I’d expect a war on UNC.
 
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