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[billybud]

According to that article:

"The ACC agreed to make four amendments to its constitution and bylaws regarding its exit fee and grant of rights and also established a new Multi-Media Revenue Policy (for the aforementioned brand initiative rewarding schools with higher TV viewership). The ACC cannot alter any of those changes without Clemson’s consent.

McKenzie said the section about the ACC needing written consent or a “yes” vote from Clemson in order to alter policies regarding its withdrawal fees, revenue distribution and “brand initiative” policies essentially gives Clemson “veto power.”

Here is McKenzie's tweet:



Note that he does not say that Clemson and FSU have veto power over any schools that are to be added.

You have stated several times on this board that Clemson and FSU must approve the addition of any school. I don't think that is correct.

I think that you are nominally right...now, if conference revenue distribution is determined to be changed due to adding another piece of pie, that could be debatable...if revenue distribution is just the formula, than anyone could be added....I could see FSU-Clemson more interested in not adding a high viewership football program to split that pot.

Of course, I do believe that ESPN whispers in a sotto voice regarding their wants.

 

[CL82]

Do you talk like this in real life

Probably, at least until the meds kick in.

 

[buddy]

Do you talk like this in real life

Immediately discredited with "Everyone hear".

 

[billybud]

hear, hear....I have a kink to that

 

[jostar1]

The ACC is handicapped...in that that FSU and Clemson must approve any invites

You have stated at least three times on this board that FSU and Clemson must approve any invites, knowing that FSU and Clemson would never approve UConn. That is why I think it is important to clarify that we don't know that this is true without seeing the separate agreements that the ACC made with FSU and Clemson.
In fact, it doesn't appear to be true because David McKenzie, who reviewed the Clemson-ACC agreement, never mentioned it.

 

[billybud]

I think that I was going by AI search..."Can Clemson and FSU veto new members"....before the revised constiturion became available...we now know more.

Search result..

Yes, it's highly likely that Florida State (FSU) and Clemson now possess the ability to effectively veto the addition of new members to the ACC.

This stems from the changes made to the ACC Constitution as part of the March 2025 settlement that resolved the ongoing legal disputes between the ACC, FSU, and Clemson. Sources indicate that FSU and Clemson's veto powers extend beyond just financial payouts and mirror those outlined in the settlement agreement, according to Reddit posts by @mckenzie. This implies a broader range of influence over significant conference decisions.


Now we know or think we know...

That any new member must have a positive vote of 13 of 17 members.

The veto power of FSU/Clemson seems ambiguous/murky.

(Aside re Mckenzie...he has erased all of his X posts where he misread the ACC's situation...He said that FSU/Clemson didn't have a chance...that the GOR was iron clad...etc etc...He was known as an ACC supporter and labelled FSU/Clemson's arguments as "absurd", "preposturous" and "frivolous".)

 

[FfldCntyFan]

hear, hear....I have a kink to that

Far more information than we needed.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Clemson and FSU literally just holding a gun to the head of everyone else in the conference. Insane. I’m sure that will work out fantastic for them

It’d be a shame for Clemson and Florida State to fail to match inflated pre-season projections, again.

 

[billybud]

Not too much worry for FSU...they play four teams ranked preseason ...three in AP Top 10 and one at number 15...winning eight games would be a victory.

Clemson at AP #4 has more to lose.

 

[Purple Stein]

Clemson has two top 15 SEC teams on the OOC schedule. If they can split those they are basically guaranteed a playoff spot because the rest of their schedule is pretty soft.

 

[KryHavok]

The ACC is such a cuckold conference. They let their biggest brand in Notre Dame stay unaffiliated with the conference in Football, then they pull crap like this

My lord it's like the presidents love getting disrespected by their schools

I am watching and loving how the all cretin conference is festering on the inside. You're spot on @cellocgg, their biggest football brands are spiting them, and it couldn't happen to a nicer a more deserving conference.

 

[CL82]

I thought that I would throw an actual tweet in here. It's reasonable to ask whether financial constraints will impact the next ACC deal. Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I thought that I would throw an actual tweet in here. It's reasonable to ask whether financial constraints will impact the next ACC deal. Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

Yes.

 

[CashewCrew]

I thought that I would throw an actual tweet in here. It's reasonable to ask whether financial constraints will impact the next ACC deal. Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

please never post a Clay Travis tweet in here again

 

[CL82]

please never post a Clay Travis tweet in here again

Mmmm...

No.

(Though I have no idea who the guy is or why he got your knickers in a bunch.)

 

[UConnJim]

Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

Yes.

Sure, ESPN can try to concentrate properties, but I don't think they can lowball conferences anymore as there is too much competition. When the Big East was raided, you really needed ESPN as your media partner. No more. There are plenty of other media options and more companies are targeting sports as their lifeline as we move to streaming. For college football, we now have NBC, CBS, TNT, FOX, ESPN/ABC, Peacock, ... And we have Amazon and Netflix with some NFL rights.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Sure, ESPN can try to concentrate properties, but I don't think they can lowball conferences anymore as there is too much competition. When the Big East was raided, you really needed ESPN as your media partner. No more. There are plenty of other media options and more companies are targeting sports as their lifeline as we move to streaming. For college football, we now have NBC, CBS, TNT, FOX, ESPN/ABC, Peacock, ... And we have Amazon and Netflix with some NFL rights.

Don't disagree with your points and I think my point stands because ESPN won't have the will nor wallet to do anything other than lowball the remnant ACC. Unfortunately, that might be where we land. Time will tell.

 

[Exit 4]

For UConn the tough votes will be SMU (they will want Tulane/Memphis/USF/UNLV), CalFord (travel regerts) and of course FSU/Clemson.

While FSU/Clemson might not have pure veto rights on any ACC expansion, they will need their ring kissed and a big slice of the marginal pie for the blessing.

 

[Kolumbo]

Sure, ESPN can try to concentrate properties, but I don't think they can lowball conferences anymore as there is too much competition. When the Big East was raided, you really needed ESPN as your media partner. No more. There are plenty of other media options and more companies are targeting sports as their lifeline as we move to streaming. For college football, we now have NBC, CBS, TNT, FOX, ESPN/ABC, Peacock, ... And we have Amazon and Netflix with some NFL rights.

You are probably right but I thought it would actually go the other way. espn and fox are the biggest players and now that they have the P2 cartel, the media partners can actually let the bubble burst. The gravy train is coming to an end. I suppose it depends on how hi the competition is willing to go but espn and fox may not see a need to keep going higher if no one else is in a position to match.

 

[CL82]

Sure, ESPN can try to concentrate properties, but I don't think they can lowball conferences anymore as there is too much competition. When the Big East was raided, you really needed ESPN as your media partner. No more. There are plenty of other media options and more companies are targeting sports as their lifeline as we move to streaming. For college football, we now have NBC, CBS, TNT, FOX, ESPN/ABC, Peacock, ... And we have Amazon and Netflix with some NFL rights.

That presumes that the ACC stripped of its best properties continues to hold the same value, which is unlikely. So that post departure "low ball" figure might simply be the new FMV of the property. If it feels better, you can say that the the market will adjust to the post departure value of the remaining schools, which will no longer be artificially inflated by a handful of high value schools.