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The ACC is handicapped...in that that FSU and Clemson must approve any invites
You have stated at least three times on this board that FSU and Clemson must approve any invites, knowing that FSU and Clemson would never approve UConn. That is why I think it is important to clarify that we don't know that this is true without seeing the separate agreements that the ACC made with FSU and Clemson.
In fact, it doesn't appear to be true because David McKenzie, who reviewed the Clemson-ACC agreement, never mentioned it.
 
I think that I was going by AI search..."Can Clemson and FSU veto new members"....before the revised constiturion became available...we now know more.

Search result..

Yes, it's highly likely that Florida State (FSU) and Clemson now possess the ability to effectively veto the addition of new members to the ACC.

This stems from the changes made to the ACC Constitution as part of the March 2025 settlement that resolved the ongoing legal disputes between the ACC, FSU, and Clemson. Sources indicate that FSU and Clemson's veto powers extend beyond just financial payouts and mirror those outlined in the settlement agreement, according to Reddit posts by @mckenzie. This implies a broader range of influence over significant conference decisions.



Now we know or think we know...

That any new member must have a positive vote of 13 of 17 members.

The veto power of FSU/Clemson seems ambiguous/murky.

(Aside re Mckenzie...he has erased all of his X posts where he misread the ACC's situation...He said that FSU/Clemson didn't have a chance...that the GOR was iron clad...etc etc...He was known as an ACC supporter and labelled FSU/Clemson's arguments as "absurd", "preposturous" and "frivolous".)
 
Not too much worry for FSU...they play four teams ranked preseason ...three in AP Top 10 and one at number 15...winning eight games would be a victory.

Clemson at AP #4 has more to lose.
 
Clemson has two top 15 SEC teams on the OOC schedule. If they can split those they are basically guaranteed a playoff spot because the rest of their schedule is pretty soft.
 
The ACC is such a cuckold conference. They let their biggest brand in Notre Dame stay unaffiliated with the conference in Football, then they pull crap like this

My lord it's like the presidents love getting disrespected by their schools
I am watching and loving how the all cretin conference is festering on the inside. You're spot on @cellocgg, their biggest football brands are spiting them, and it couldn't happen to a nicer a more deserving conference.
 


I thought that I would throw an actual tweet in here. It's reasonable to ask whether financial constraints will impact the next ACC deal. Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?
 


I thought that I would throw an actual tweet in here. It's reasonable to ask whether financial constraints will impact the next ACC deal. Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

Yes.
 


I thought that I would throw an actual tweet in here. It's reasonable to ask whether financial constraints will impact the next ACC deal. Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

please never post a Clay Travis tweet in here again
 
Will ESPN follow their Big East model and bankroll the transfer of a few key pieces to other properties they own so that they can lowball the leftover schools?

Yes.
Sure, ESPN can try to concentrate properties, but I don't think they can lowball conferences anymore as there is too much competition. When the Big East was raided, you really needed ESPN as your media partner. No more. There are plenty of other media options and more companies are targeting sports as their lifeline as we move to streaming. For college football, we now have NBC, CBS, TNT, FOX, ESPN/ABC, Peacock, ... And we have Amazon and Netflix with some NFL rights.
 
Sure, ESPN can try to concentrate properties, but I don't think they can lowball conferences anymore as there is too much competition. When the Big East was raided, you really needed ESPN as your media partner. No more. There are plenty of other media options and more companies are targeting sports as their lifeline as we move to streaming. For college football, we now have NBC, CBS, TNT, FOX, ESPN/ABC, Peacock, ... And we have Amazon and Netflix with some NFL rights.
Don't disagree with your points and I think my point stands because ESPN won't have the will nor wallet to do anything other than lowball the remnant ACC. Unfortunately, that might be where we land. Time will tell.
 
For UConn the tough votes will be SMU (they will want Tulane/Memphis/USF/UNLV), CalFord (travel regerts) and of course FSU/Clemson.

While FSU/Clemson might not have pure veto rights on any ACC expansion, they will need their ring kissed and a big slice of the marginal pie for the blessing.
 
Sure, ESPN can try to concentrate properties, but I don't think they can lowball conferences anymore as there is too much competition. When the Big East was raided, you really needed ESPN as your media partner. No more. There are plenty of other media options and more companies are targeting sports as their lifeline as we move to streaming. For college football, we now have NBC, CBS, TNT, FOX, ESPN/ABC, Peacock, ... And we have Amazon and Netflix with some NFL rights.
You are probably right but I thought it would actually go the other way. espn and fox are the biggest players and now that they have the P2 cartel, the media partners can actually let the bubble burst. The gravy train is coming to an end. I suppose it depends on how hi the competition is willing to go but espn and fox may not see a need to keep going higher if no one else is in a position to match.
 
Sure, ESPN can try to concentrate properties, but I don't think they can lowball conferences anymore as there is too much competition. When the Big East was raided, you really needed ESPN as your media partner. No more. There are plenty of other media options and more companies are targeting sports as their lifeline as we move to streaming. For college football, we now have NBC, CBS, TNT, FOX, ESPN/ABC, Peacock, ... And we have Amazon and Netflix with some NFL rights.
That presumes that the ACC stripped of its best properties continues to hold the same value, which is unlikely. So that post departure "low ball" figure might simply be the new FMV of the property. If it feels better, you can say that the the market will adjust to the post departure value of the remaining schools, which will no longer be artificially inflated by a handful of high value schools.
 
For UConn the tough votes will be SMU (they will want Tulane/Memphis/USF/UNLV), CalFord (travel regerts) and of course FSU/Clemson.
I think it's more dire than that...short of maybe getting 4 warm votes, I can't see even half the all cretins crew voting for UConn, at least not based on the current membership. They've shown their true colors when it comes to us...they are not in our future and shouldn't be seen as a panacea for our conference woes.
 
I think it's more dire than that...short of maybe getting 4 warm votes, I can't see even half the all cretins crew voting for UConn, at least not based on the current membership. They've shown their true colors when it comes to us...they are not in our future and shouldn't be seen as a panacea for our conference woes.
I'm hearing the situation with all our old BE turn ACC foes has changed. We have many of the votes we need, but not all of them. Work in progress.
 
I'm hearing the situation with all our old BE turn ACC foes has changed. We have many of the votes we need, but not all of them. Work in progress.
Look if the ACC took a vote and UCONN had enough votes to get in and FSU, and Clemson said no, and Notre Dame said you better let them in. Who do you think wins? My bet would be on Notre Dame.
 
I'm hearing the situation with all our old BE turn ACC foes has changed. We have many of the votes we need, but not all of them. Work in progress.
Was it Churchill who said “ you can always count on the Americans to do the right thing. After they’ve exhausted every other option.” ?

I think similarly of the ACC inviting UConn .
 
Look if the ACC took a vote and UCONN had enough votes to get in and FSU, and Clemson said no, and Notre Dame said you better let them in. Who do you think wins? My bet would be on Notre Dame.
I have no idea in that scenario.

If a UConn invite does happen before 2031, its all for the 9 game scheduling first and foremost. A secondary reason would be the northern flank of the ACC would like to have us.

Now we have been at this juncture before and we have seen it all happen; Louisville taking our seat, AZ/AZ state/UT taking our seat, and the B12 heavy flirts last August. Anything can happen this fall...including another Charlie Brown moment. And that moment could be just a simple conclusion by the ACC that they would rather jerry rig a 9 game football schedule for the balance of the decade than make a new club member.

Sure would be nice to play some kick butt football this Sept.
 
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