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[billybud]

Amongst older Irish fans particularly, the past with the Big Ten is remembered...heck, in Irish lore, the past isn't really past.

Notre Dame asked to join the now Big Ten on three occasions and was turned down.

Yost, legendary Michigan coach, led a boycott of Big Ten teams scheduling of the Irish for decades. His reputation is one of being anti catholic. Notre Dame was forced to schedule elsewhere and it became the backbone of their "national" program.

The third rejection from the Big Ten finally led the university to realize what its fan base and alumni already had – three decades of dismissal, hostility, prejudice and rejection had steeled the Irish independent spirit and forced Notre Dame to become the only national program in college football.

But that was ancient past...things have changed...or not.

2013

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The president of Ohio State University said Notre Dame never was invited to join the Big Ten because the university's priests are not good partners, joking that "those damn Catholics" can't be trusted, according to a recording of a meeting he attended late last year.

"We find the remarks most regrettable, particularly regarding Father Joyce, who served Notre Dame and collegiate athletics so well and for so long. President Gee has contacted Father Jenkins to offer an apology that he has accepted," Notre Dame said in a statement.

In the end, necessity may force a marriage...but Irish fans are still cold to the suitor.

 

[Exit 4]

I don't understand what's their problem with the B1G? That seems like the perfect spot for them smack dab in the middle of the conference footprint. I mean they're a stone's throw from MSU, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois, and even Ohio State. They are in the middle of the country and even with the coast to coast nature of the B1G, travel would be relatively easy for them because they'd never be more than a 3 hour flight from any of the schools. And the B1G pays well. I don't get it.

They are self loathing about square states.....its pretty obvious.

 

[MemphisBlues]

What new AAC commissioner Tim Pernetti said about Memphis' goal of leaving the conference

New AAC commissioner Tim Pernetti spoke with The Commercial Appeal for a wide-ranging discussion about conference realignment and Memphis.

www.commercialappeal.com

It doesn't matter what the AAC commissioner thinks. Memphis isn't spending the money they're spending to stay in the AAC. In fact, they just got a commitment from the #3 pocket QB in the 2025 class.

 

[billybud]

Memphis' 2025 class rank is #86 on3, , #83 247

Hill at QB was a good pick up...need to build on that..

 

[Ha Who]

@TerryD

Loathe to ask question of someone who thinks winning a championship in 1988 makes them relevant. Hartford once had a Major League Baseball team

 

[ZooCougar]

It doesn't matter what the AAC commissioner thinks. Memphis isn't spending the money they're spending to stay in the AAC. In fact, they just got a commitment from the #3 pocket QB in the 2025 class.

It’s still a hole school.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

I don't understand what's their problem with the B1G? That seems like the perfect spot for them smack dab in the middle of the conference footprint. I mean they're a stone's throw from MSU, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois, and even Ohio State. They are in the middle of the country and even with the coast to coast nature of the B1G, travel would be relatively easy for them because they'd never be more than a 3 hour flight from any of the schools. And the B1G pays well. I don't get it.

You would need to review the history of their relationship

 

[GG]

 

[Ldandy]

You would need to review the history of their relationship

Irish Fans like to hold to that story, but the truth is something different. Notre Dame has not joined The B1G or any conference because they haven't needed to do so. They can still get a comparable media deal to The P2, maintain homes for all of their non-revenue sports across different conferences, and brand themselves as independent in football. Maybe most important of all is that there are no real barriers to playoff inclusion.

If The ACC falls apart over the next few years, its far more likely that The Irish will negotiate a similar partial membership deal with The Big 12 before going all in with The B1G or SEC. Why I believe that the old Anti-Catholic Boogeyman story is nonsense in 2024 is because I've sat in The Pegula Ice Arena and watched players wearing golden helmets with ND on their chest skate up and down the ice. The funny thing was that on those same uniforms there was a patch that read B1G. When it is mutually beneficial or entirely necessary that is when we'll see ND Football in a conference.

 

[noeynox]

New "Insider"

 

[NowInStorrs]

Well that's the worst of both worlds. Have to leave the Big East and travel all around the country and no help for football. So that's probably what'll happen.

 

[GG]

New "Insider"

Who knows. Probably knows as much as we do.

 

[billybud]

Hats off to the Ohio State Prez for keeping the Bogeyman alive...

 

[noeynox]

Who knows. Probably knows as much as we do.

I would say its pure fantasy. Only one of those BB only additions plays FBS football.

 

[Ldandy]

Hats off to the Ohio State Prez for keeping the Bogeyman alive...

Old Gordy's Rhetoric sure didn't scare their Hockey Team away from joining the B1G when it was deemed beneficial over remaining in Hockey East.

 

[Pat125]

Irish Fans like to hold to that story, but the truth is something different. Notre Dame has not joined The B1G or any conference because they haven't needed to do so. They can still get a comparable media deal to The P2, maintain homes for all of their non-revenue sports across different conferences, and brand themselves as independent in football. Maybe most important of all is that there are no real barriers to playoff inclusion.

If The ACC falls apart over the next few years, its far more likely that The Irish will negotiate a similar partial membership deal with The Big 12 before going all in with The B1G or SEC. Why I believe that the old Anti-Catholic Boogeyman story is nonsense in 2024 is because I've sat in The Pegula Ice Arena and watched players wearing golden helmets with ND on their chest skate up and down the ice. The funny thing was that on those same uniforms there was a patch that read B1G. When it is mutually beneficial or entirely necessary that is when we'll see ND Football in a conference.

My take is that there indeed was anti-Catholic bias by at least some in the Big Ten back in the 1930-40s, lead by Fielding Yost, head football coach and AD of Michigan. So Notre Dame could not join the Big Ten then. Naturally, there was still bitterness after Yost died and the Big Ten were in a position to accept Notre Dame. So Notre Dame remained independent, and it became part of their identity. As time went on, it wasn’t feasible to remain independent in most sports, but remained independent in football.

Today they are independent in name only with football. The ghost of Fielding Yost is long gone. The Big Ten has pursued Notre Dame a couple of times since the 1990s. Notre Dame faculty and administration warmed up to the idea, but not so much the fans and influential donors. While there are some that still harbor bitterness that is silly at this point, a lot of fans simply hold on to the tradition, identity, and that Notre Dame has fared well in football and financially. When the last vestige of independence no longer serves Notre Dame, they will go full in with the Big Ten or some other conference.

 

[CL82]

Who knows. Probably knows as much as we do.

Probably less, to be honest.

 

[CL82]

Oh crap, you are right. That’s the illegal kick game. I’ve been celebrating the 4th a little early. The point still stands, though.

Congratulations, this is the 25,000th post in this thread. That it was made by a Michigan fan and not related to a tweet, non-key or otherwise, seems oddly appropriate.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Irish Fans like to hold to that story, but the truth is something different. Notre Dame has not joined The B1G or any conference because they haven't needed to do so. They can still get a comparable media deal to The P2, maintain homes for all of their non-revenue sports across different conferences, and brand themselves as independent in football. Maybe most important of all is that there are no real barriers to playoff inclusion.

If The ACC falls apart over the next few years, its far more likely that The Irish will negotiate a similar partial membership deal with The Big 12 before going all in with The B1G or SEC. Why I believe that the old Anti-Catholic Boogeyman story is nonsense in 2024 is because I've sat in The Pegula Ice Arena and watched players wearing golden helmets with ND on their chest skate up and down the ice. The funny thing was that on those same uniforms there was a patch that read B1G. When it is mutually beneficial or entirely necessary that is when we'll see ND Football in a conference.

Of course. If it is in their best interest to join, they will. Until then, they won't.

 

[billybud]

Notre Dame will only join a conference when absolutely, beyond a doubt, necessary.

And it may be coming necessary in a P2 and "others" world...but the Domers will hold out until that becomes a near reality.

Back in 1999:

Notre Dame was offered by the Big Ten and the Irish students and alumni adamantly opposed such a move.

The University of Notre Dame’s Board of Trustees decided Friday the private school will not join the Big Ten, ending months of speculation that Notre Dame could become the conference’s 12th member.

“Notre Dame has a distinct identity that is the product of more than a century-and-a-half of institutional independence,” Malloy said. “As a Catholic university with a national constituency, we believe independence continues to be our best way forward, not just in athletics, but, first and foremost, in fulfillment of our academic aspirations.”

Charles Lennon, the director of Notre Dame's alumni association, said that 99.5 percent of its members were against a change. University officers agreed and recommended to the 55-man board of trustees that the status quo be maintained.

Times do change...we'll see.

 

[Kolumbo]

Notre Dame will only join a conference when absolutely, beyond a doubt, necessary.

And it may be coming necessary in a P2 and "others" world...but the Domers will hold out until that becomes a near reality.

Back in 1999:

Notre Dame was offered by the Big Ten and the Irish students and alumni adamantly opposed such a move.

The University of Notre Dame’s Board of Trustees decided Friday the private school will not join the Big Ten, ending months of speculation that Notre Dame could become the conference’s 12th member.

“Notre Dame has a distinct identity that is the product of more than a century-and-a-half of institutional independence,” Malloy said. “As a Catholic university with a national constituency, we believe independence continues to be our best way forward, not just in athletics, but, first and foremost, in fulfillment of our academic aspirations.”



Times do change...we'll see.

Yes times do change so who knows.

"Academic aspirations?" I suppose ND could have declined AAU too. 1999 was a quarter century ago and things have changed just a tad since then.

 

[Ldandy]

Notre Dame will only join a conference when absolutely, beyond a doubt, necessary.

And it may be coming necessary in a P2 and "others" world...but the Domers will hold out until that becomes a near reality.

Back in 1999:

Notre Dame was offered by the Big Ten and the Irish students and alumni adamantly opposed such a move.

The University of Notre Dame’s Board of Trustees decided Friday the private school will not join the Big Ten, ending months of speculation that Notre Dame could become the conference’s 12th member.

“Notre Dame has a distinct identity that is the product of more than a century-and-a-half of institutional independence,” Malloy said. “As a Catholic university with a national constituency, we believe independence continues to be our best way forward, not just in athletics, but, first and foremost, in fulfillment of our academic aspirations.”



Times do change...we'll see.

JMO but it will be a long time before we see ND in one of the P2 Conferences. As long as NBC is willing to prop them up financially and the organizing body in place is willing to give them access to the playoff, they will remain "independent." This may mean glomming onto The Big 12 or whatever The PAC will be in the future, but they seem determined to maintain their identity.

 

[billybud]

JMO but it will be a long time before we see ND in one of the P2 Conferences. As long as NBC is willing to prop them up financially and the organizing body in place is willing to give them access to the playoff, they will remain "independent." This may mean glomming onto The Big 12 or whatever The PAC will be in the future, but they seem determined to maintain their identity.

I agree. Of course I am one of those mossy backs remembering Notre Dame's past.

The valedictorian of my class (1964) went to Notre Dame...

My father went to Michigan....I still raise a glass and nod...as I cheer against Ohio State. No real emotion attached...just in remembrance.

 

[billybud]

For an interesting read (including the comments)...

Notre Dame Football: The Case for Joining the Big 10​

The Case for Notre Dame to join the Big 10

Old enemies, future friends?

www.onefootdown.com

 

[Ldandy]

For an interesting read (including the comments)...

Notre Dame Football: The Case for Joining the Big 10​

The Case for Notre Dame to join the Big 10

Old enemies, future friends?

www.onefootdown.com

Comment section was WAY more logical than I thought possible. I expected a lot of bluster and hate regarding events that took place before most message board posters' parents were born, however there were many people looking at where the game is heading and taking a realistic not idealistic approach.