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[HuskyHawk]

Hasn't Yormark indicated he'd like to sell the basketball and football content separately?

I don't think it's such a crazy idea to pick off a St. John's and UConn to host 10+ Big 12 games in MSG every year. UConn as a full sports member of course.

Where the game is played is irrelevant to TV other than time zone. UConn isn't moving any league games to MSG. St. Johns has no particular appeal to most people outside of Queens, and not many in Queens.

Half this fanbase seems to live in a bubble. I Googled St. John's Attendance to see what they did at MSG and the first several results are from various high schools. That says it all about St. John's. St. John's averaged 5,588 per game over 18 home games. I can't find the attendance for the MSG game vs Nova or the game at Barclays.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Where the game is played is irrelevant to TV other than time zone. UConn isn't moving any league games to MSG. St. Johns has no particular appeal to most people outside of Queens, and not many in Queens.

Half this fanbase seems to live in a bubble. I Googled St. John's Attendance to see what they did at MSG and the first several results are from various high schools. That says it all about St. John's. St. John's averaged 5,588 per game over 18 home games. I can't find the attendance for the MSG game vs Nova or the game at Barclays.

I tend to disagree. I'm not necessarily saying St. John's is the answer but having a presence in NYC is valuable. So in that sense it's far less about St. John's than their location.

I'd think having northeast visibility would be important for university President's for future students and perhaps even for alumni living in NYC.

Small price to pay in the scheme of things to plant a flag in NYC.

 

[Forte]

From your prior posts, you indicated you had an inside source. Have you talked to them again and that is why you are changing your thoughts?
Or are you just changing your mind based on what is posted on the board?

Unexpected conflicting information... Not from board.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Unexpected conflicting information... Not from board.

In other words, it’s over. =(

 

[businesslawyer]

Hasn't Yormark indicated he'd like to sell the basketball and football content separately?

I don't think it's such a crazy idea to pick off a St. John's and UConn to host 10+ Big 12 games in MSG every year. UConn as a full sports member of course.

It is a crazy idea when tv contracts for basketball and football are marketed and sold together. If it ever becomes common practice to market and sell the two sports separately, it's no longer crazy.

 

[Dizzy21]

I don't get the whole thing about this being about football. If it was about football, then why are they trying to get the worst football team in the P5 so bad? Colorado has been near if not the worst football team in the P5 for some time now, whether you look at the past 5 years, past 10 years, or past 20 years. They have had the advantage of being in a P5 league and have proven they don't move the needle. I doubt they are betting conference membership on the fact that Deion turns the team instantaneously around after 20 horrible years. There are obviously other factors going into their decision that weigh much more than past football performance.

 

[GoKU]

Greg Flugar is implying the Big 12 presidents do not want UCONN football but would consider basketball. Also indicating Big 12 looking at basketball only schools including Zags and SJU. Any truth (he seems to get some good info).

He's full of crap.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

It is a crazy idea when tv contracts for basketball and football are marketed and sold together. If it ever becomes common practice to market and sell the two sports separately, it's no longer crazy.

Ok. Just don't tell the Big12 commissioner that.

“Do I think we’re undervalued? Certainly I do. Do I think there’s an opportunity down the road to maybe decouple football from basketball when we go back into that next TV cycle? I certainly do,” said Yormark. “No one has thought about it that way."

 

[GG]

He's full of crap.

Thanks. He indicated earlier today that there are discussions going on this week regarding basketball only adds. Do you believe there’s any truth to that? I actually don’t think it’s a horrible idea.

 

[FriarJ]

SJU will not be jumping to a FB conference as long as Brian Shanley is their President. He was the driving force behind the C7 splitting in the first place. His father's firm, Duffy & Shanley came up with the BE name and original logo.

 

[Rufus]

He's full of crap.

I listen to his PATC show. I don’t think he’s full of crap. He has never lied to his audience. When he receives bad information, he admits it. He clearly has connections, as evidenced by his knowledge of USC joining the B1G months in advance. I believe he was posting that was going to happen for 4 months before the world knew.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Ok. Just don't tell the Big12 commissioner that.

“Do I think we’re undervalued? Certainly I do. Do I think there’s an opportunity down the road to maybe decouple football from basketball when we go back into that next TV cycle? I certainly do,” said Yormark. “No one has thought about it that way."

Yes, and maybe he can pull that off. But just how much can you expand and help that value? UConn and Colorado would get them to 14. Arizona and ASU would be 16. Beyond 12 you aren't adding inventory, you're just adding teams. There are only going to be so many league games. That's even more true in football, but the Big East has a round robin, most leagues can't. So a school like St. Johns isn't additive at all. UConn is. Arizona is. Because a game between say K-State and UConn or UA is a bigger game than K-State - Iowa State. K-State vs St. Johns isn't.

At this stage that is what I think drives expansion (Hence UCLA and USC). Inventory doesn't really go up because league games are capped. But with more big name/big brand programs, you can build a schedule that has more appealing matchups every week. There will be dud games, but you don't care b/c those are being sold to CBSSN or will be non linear.

 

[JMick]

I listen to his PATC show. I don’t think he’s full of crap. He has never lied to his audience. When he receives bad information, he admits it. He clearly has connections, as evidenced by his knowledge of USC joining the B1G months in advance. I believe he was posting that was going to happen for 4 months before the world knew.

I can't always fault people for things they don't know, but are you unfamiliar with his history? He has been a self -proclaimed conference realignment expert/insider for years and in all that time has gotten one "scoop"

Everything else has been drivel

 

[GG]

I listen to his PATC show. I don’t think he’s full of crap. He has never lied to his audience. When he receives bad information, he admits it. He clearly has connections, as evidenced by his knowledge of USC joining the B1G months in advance. I believe he was posting that was going to happen for 4 months before the world knew.

I agree that he definitely gets some good information, and he will also admit when he does not. That being said, I would imagine he has limited sources that may be providing information from their perspective.

 

[huskymedic]

Greg Flugar is implying the Big 12 presidents do not want UCONN football but would consider basketball. Also indicating Big 12 looking at basketball only schools including Zags and SJU. Any truth (he seems to get some good info).

It’s just recycled aggregate narratives from other people …

He's full of crap.

Thanks. He indicated earlier today that there are discussions going on this week regarding basketball only adds. Do you believe there’s any truth to that? I actually don’t think it’s a horrible idea.

He’s just repackaging this Pat Forde article from a week ago:

-> Plan A might be plundering two to four teams from the Pac-12. Plan B might be a Colorado-UConn power play—but if Colorado is a non-starter, that probably ends the scenario. Non-football aspirations could involve St. John’s, which has the big-dollar booster backing of Vitamin Water founder Mike Repole and just landed Rick Pitino as its coach. They could involve Gonzaga, the hoops power of the Pacific Northwest, which would get the Big 12 into all four time zones and at least partially fulfill pursuit of a coast-to-coast conference.

And, dare to dream, should the Big 12 continue to pursue an NYC presence, grabbing Syracuse in the fallout from an Atlantic Coast Conference breakup could be a (far) down-the-road idea. Between UConn, St. John’s and Syracuse, the Big 12 could actually deliver a decent slice of the New York City market—at least in one sport. <-

 

[businesslawyer]

Ok. Just don't tell the Big12 commissioner that.

“Do I think we’re undervalued? Certainly I do. Do I think there’s an opportunity down the road to maybe decouple football from basketball when we go back into that next TV cycle? I certainly do,” said Yormark. “No one has thought about it that way."

Did you read what I wrote? I said that if they get decoupled, then it makes sense. I expressed no opinion on whether or not that would happen. Sheesh.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Did you read what I wrote? I said that if they get decoupled, then it makes sense. I expressed no opinion on whether or not that would happen. Sheesh.

You said it was a crazy idea, just replying in kind. I don't think I'm the one with the stick up my keester here.

 

[GG]

SJU will not be jumping to a FB conference as long as Brian Shanley is their President. He was the driving force behind the C7 splitting in the first place. His father's firm, Duffy & Shanley came up with the BE name and original logo.

That is likely correct, but this is the second person that has shared this type of rumor. Back in March or April another Twitter account posted something similar and indicated that St. John’s in Villanova were exploring this option.

 

[businesslawyer]

You said it was a crazy idea, just replying in kind. I don't think I'm the one with the stick up my keester here.

No I didn't. You can't read three words apart from the sentence I wrote. I said "it's a crazy idea if ..." and then went on to say if the way we currently do things stays the way we do things.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

No I didn't. You can't read three words apart from the sentence I wrote. I said "it's a crazy idea if ..." and then went on to say if the way we currently do things stays the way we do things.

Yeah, and the commissioner of the league is quoted as saying it's something he wants to explore changing.

Bizarre hill to die on.

 

[JMick]

Yeah, and the commissioner of the league is quoted as saying it's something he wants to explore changing.

Bizarre hill to die on.

You misread his post

 

[businesslawyer]

Yeah, and the commissioner of the league is quoted as saying it's something he wants to explore changing.

Bizarre hill to die on.

You don't read well. I sincerely hope it doesn't interfere with your life.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

You misread his post

He's talking in absolutes on a message board where all we do is speculate.

It's akin to saying UConn to the Big 12 is crazy until UConn is actually in the Big 12.

You don't read well. I sincerely hope it doesn't interfere with your life.

Being sanctimonious in doses has some charm to it as our resident curmudgeon. You're overdoing it though.

 

[UConn Dan]

Sooooo.... any other insiders have any positive news?

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Sooooo.... any other insiders have any positive news?

Danny told me he would be good with the move.

 

[NEforceUConn]

I’ll be sleeping at a Holiday Inn Express tonight and will report any news.

PS. It’s a special HIE with both a car wash and mini-golf.

Cheers

 

[jostar1]

In other words, it’s over. =(

Trying to stay positive:

It was Dennis Dodd who at the beginning of July said:

"There will be a significant push to get UConn into the Big 12. I don't know which way that will go; they're terrible in football and have travel issues. He will have to get that past the presidents. But the fact that it's being talked about now, especially in basketball, suggests there's some support with it. ..."

At around 19:00 in this video from an interview two weeks ago, Yormark says that the Board has given him a lot of latitude to move forward to get things done.

 

[NEforceUConn]

To all those hillbilly college basketball conference gurus who live in their parent’s basement:

It’s not cool to use ancestry.com as your dating site.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yeah, and the commissioner of the league is quoted as saying it's something he wants to explore changing.

Bizarre hill to die on.

Yormark is not the only one thinking this way. There is a decent good chance that football and basketball will be decoupled at some point. It really depends on how streaming content is sold directly to consumers. There are a lot of ways this can go.

 

[RSTuthill]

Thanks. He indicated earlier today that there are discussions going on this week regarding basketball only adds. Do you believe there’s any truth to that? I actually don’t think it’s a horrible idea.

Well I think it is a crazy idea. Why would UConn EVER do that? But I would be interested in your reasoning. And I certainly would not flame you for having an opinion.