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[Fairfield_1st]

Would soccer and field hockey be able to stay in the Big East if we went to the Big XII? I realize it's irrelevant to the discussion of whether we accept an invite, I just worry about all things UConn.

 

[hoopsfan22]

Would soccer and field hockey be able to stay in the Big East if we went to the Big XII? I realize it's irrelevant to the discussion of whether we accept an invite, I just worry about all things UConn.

I don't think they have field hockey, but do have women's soccer.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

If I'm Yormark I'm switching focus from West to East. I think the PAC is going to stabilize for the time being. So the plan should be to get some Big East programs besides UConn. Bring in up to six non-football programs in critical areas (Northeast and Midwest) - Providence, St. John's, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, Creighton - then bring in USF to complete the all-sports adds. That's 14 full + 6 non-football.

 

[How Sway?!]

If I'm Yormark I'm switching focus from West to East. I think the PAC is going to stabilize for the time being. So the plan should be to get some Big East programs besides UConn. Bring in up to six non-football programs in critical areas (Northeast and Midwest) - Providence, St. John's, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, Creighton - then bring in USF to complete the all-sports adds. That's 14 full + 6 non-football.

Congrats, you just cut everyone's pay by at least 5 million

 

[Slasher]

Which is why I referenced to the higher payout. However Oklahoma and Texas are what legitimized the Big XII and provided their original seat at the table. If Houston, Cinci, and USF had similar cache, TV execs should have been wet for the AAC.

You realize that with the four new schools and with OU and Texas removed, the Big 12 managed a six year media deal extension that is paying out MORE than they make with OU and Texas right? They're locked in through 2031-2032 with almost 32MM for the media + playoff/bowls/ncaa tournament/etc. They're looking at a $45-50MM annual payout.

 

[jostar1]

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Evening tidbit: as of today’s meeting BY had with networks, any combination of 4 of the following schools (all sports) will be acceptable for ESPN and FOX to pay prorata to B12-AZ/ASU/CU/SDSU/UCONN. So UConn fans: I’m saying there’s a chance.

 

[CL82]

Everyone's after that lucrative Mountain time zone market where all of 5% of the country lives.

But it’s a quality 5%…

 

[Jbirdp5]

https://twitter.com/gswaim/status/1644148806844391424?s=46&t=AMF8kwjpIUEujeUGzY5NqA

 

[Stinger92860]

If true, I’m not surprised, the six could be

FSU
Clemson
UNC
Virginia
VTech
GTech or Duke?

Would NCState be attractive? That’s 8. And don’t count out those backstabbing Panthers.

i wonder if BCU is talking to the Mid American or CUSA?

why would any ACC school jump to the b12 now? The sec and B1G would need to take 4 each to make it 8. Never happening.

 

[uconndogs]

If true, I’m not surprised, the six could be

FSU
Clemson
UNC
Virginia
VTech
GTech or Duke?

Would NCState be attractive? That’s 8. And don’t count out those backstabbing Panthers.

i wonder if BCU is talking to the Mid American or CUSA?

I don't think they could get to eight because I don't think there are eight programs that believe they have ready options that better than their current situation. The SEC and BiG are not going to take eight ACC programs. I assume ND does not count in that calculation.

 

[noeynox]

If true, I’m not surprised, the six could be

FSU
Clemson
UNC
Virginia
VTech
GTech or Duke?

Would NCState be attractive? That’s 8. And don’t count out those backstabbing Panthers.

i wonder if BCU is talking to the Mid American or CUSA?

why would any ACC school jump to the b12 now? The sec and B1G would need to take 4 each to make it 8. Never happening.

I think the NC and VA schools are the key. NC State and VTech SEC, Carolina and UVA Big Ten. If Duke gets a seat in the Big Ten that is 7, of the 8 along with FSU and Clemson. I just don't think Clemson adds anything to the SEC since they're already in South Carolina.

 

[Rufus]

Miami has to be in the mix.

 

[uconndogs]

Miami has to be in the mix.

Why?

 

[Jbirdp5]

If true, I’m not surprised, the six could be

FSU
Clemson
UNC
Virginia
VTech
GTech or Duke?

Would NCState be attractive? That’s 8. And don’t count out those backstabbing Panthers.

i wonder if BCU is talking to the Mid American or CUSA?

why would any ACC school jump to the b12 now? The sec and B1G would need to take 4 each to make it 8. Never happening.

The bottom teams in the league might jump to the big 12 if they saw the writing on the wall that the big guns were heading to big 10 or sec…..if Louisville knew fsu Clemson Virginia and North Carolina were heading out a life raft from the big 12 would look pretty good

 

[Rufus]

B1G needs to be in Florida. FSU might be an option, but might go to the SEC. B1G might target both FSU and Miami.

 

[ScottVib]

They don’t have enough teams that have greener pastures to get the votes.

The first issue is ESPN. In an environment where Disney is actively cutting there is little incentive for ESPN to encourage blowing up a contract that gives them valuable content at a reasonable rate for the next dozen years. That limits the incentive for them to encourage either the SEC or the Big XII to add. Realistically how many ACC schools are valued at the full share SEC amount, let alone are additive? UNC perhaps… Clemson and Florida St are the name brands but are in states that the SEC network already has full carriage on. From there you’re looking at the second team in NC or Virginia. It’s not a great fit… and the teams who can be considered is too limited.

The Big XII is largely a lateral move financially and a step back for the academics within the ACC. They’re a break glass option if and only if they were no longer protected through the GOR.

The Big Ten is the conference that would have an incentive, but has the highest contract that would require the biggest brands to make it a beneficial move. There aren’t enough teams they could add that would allow the GOR to be canceled and add value to their deal.

ESPN isn’t going to sign off on paying a premium for rights they already own cheaply. The Big Ten doesn’t have enough spots open, the Big XII is a backup plan for the schools now. I don’t see it.

Additionally, Swai/m is also a Big XII mouthpiece… Yormark probably called a bunch of schools and leaked it to Swai/m (similar to how the C-USA commissioner called UConn and was politely told no thank you and then got it leaked), Swai/m then ran with schools are having conversations for his own benefits and Yormark can then see if he can get some schools to panic that their conference-mates are bailing and commit.

 

[Kolumbo]

If true, I’m not surprised, the six could be

FSU
Clemson
UNC
Virginia
VTech
GTech or Duke?

Would NCState be attractive? That’s 8. And don’t count out those backstabbing Panthers.

i wonder if BCU is talking to the Mid American or CUSA?

why would any ACC school jump to the b12 now? The sec and B1G would need to take 4 each to make it 8. Never happening.

NC State has almost 40k students. Sounds like SEC material to me.
L-ville is looking around the room thinking how the heck did we get invited in the first place? Let's not push our luck, go Big 12 before we end up in the AAC
Pitt and SU thinking maybe we should beat L-ville to the punch or end up in the MAC
BCU has a kungfu grip on the ACC, it doesn't want to go to the Patriot

 

[dayooper]

If true, I’m not surprised, the six could be

FSU
Clemson
UNC
Virginia
VTech
GTech or Duke?

Would NCState be attractive? That’s 8. And don’t count out those backstabbing Panthers.

i wonder if BCU is talking to the Mid American or CUSA?

why would any ACC school jump to the b12 now? The sec and B1G would need to take 4 each to make it 8. Never happening.

Not that I believe any of this, getting to 8 wouldn’t be a problem if schools like Louisville, NCST or Va Tech realize they need a lifeboat. I also believe that if this were really true, the Big10/Fox/CBS and SEC/ESPN would have already carved up the ACC. I might look like this:

Big10: FSU, Miami, ND (ND signed a GOR)
SEC: Clemson, UNC, UVA
Big12: Va Tech, NCST

If you want to add Louisville to the Big12 for 8 not including ND or switch some of the schools around between the Big10 and SEC, that would work too. I could be talked into Georgia Tech replacing Miami in the Big10 for the Atlanta market.

It’s possible, but some schools would have to be convinced that their situation is dire and need a lifeboat to the Big12. I don’t think that Swa!m has any inside knowledge and this is most likely all BS.

 

[hoopsfan22]

Not that I believe any of this, getting to 8 wouldn’t be a problem if schools like Louisville, NCST or Va Tech realize they need a lifeboat. I also believe that if this were really true, the Big10/Fox/CBS and SEC/ESPN would have already carved up the ACC. I might look like this:

Big10: FSU, Miami, ND (ND signed a GOR)
SEC: Clemson, UNC, UVA
Big12: Va Tech, NCST

If you want to add Louisville to the Big12 for 8 not including ND or switch some of the schools around between the Big10 and SEC, that would work too. I could be talked into Georgia Tech replacing Miami in the Big10 for the Atlanta market.

It’s possible, but some schools would have to be convinced that their situation is dire and need a lifeboat to the Big12. I don’t think that Swa!m has any inside knowledge and this is most likely all BS.

Hasn't the B1G always coveted UNC and Virginia as well as GT for its fast growing Atlanta market? Maybe it has changed since the B1G seems to be on a big metro bent when it comes to adding schools these days. Add in ND and that's a nice four for the B1G. A B1G school in Florida would feel out of place.

 

[jostar1]

 

[uconndogs]

B1G needs to be in Florida. FSU might be an option, but might go to the SEC. B1G might target both FSU and Miami.

Pure speculation on my part, but I would not be at all surprised if the BiG and SEC have given a wink and a nod to stay north and south. Not that they would ever collude mind you.......

 

[jostar1]

 

[UConn Dan]

I posted this in another thread, I meant to post here:

Why are we buying into the number 8?? ACC needs two-thirds to dissolve the conference, why would they only need 8 to dissolve the GOR? Why would ESPN sign off on that?

 

[Rufus]

The top 3 states for football recruits are Texas, Florida and Georgia.

Texas and Texas A&M are in the SEC and no other Texas team fits the B1G profile.

Florida and Georgia are different stories. Florida State, Miami and Georgia Tech all fit the B1G profile, with GT being AAU, and all 3 would ditch the ACC for the B1G in a heartbeat if the B1G ever comes calling. FSU will likely have interest from the SEC as well, but not Miami or GT.

Here are the the only schools I see as having a possibility of joining the B1G:

Independent: Notre Dame
PAC 12: Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal
ACC: Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Miami

That is 12 schools. Not all of them will be in the B1G, but I don’t think anyone else outside of those 12 have a shot at getting a B1G invite.

 

[jostar1]

From TechSideline:

FSU's plan to get out? Never heard this before. From Flugaur's show today.​

It was the last thing he mentioned in his recent 2-hour show. I linked to it at the 1:59:13 point below where he starts to talk about it. Only about 2 mins. Here's the gist of it. 1. It all depends on Notre Dame leaving the ACC early. 2. If this happens. FSU thinks that the 2036 obligations could then come back to 2027. And after that, FSU (and others) would be free to leave. 3. Side note: regardless of the above, ACC schools would be happy if Notre Dame left early since ND has now shown its hand, having no interest in joining for football. 4. Also in the show he says that FSU doesn't think that dissolving the conference though the rumored 8 votes is doable. And they are not trying to do that. Anyway, has anyone heard this anywhere else before? I wish he would have went into more detail. But maybe that's all the info he had. ** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 4/5/2023, 11:41:53 PM

Link: FSU and GOR/TV Contract

Posted: 04/05/2023 at 11:40PM

I'll be the one to say it. Flugaur is right. FSU is leaving early.​

They are not being coy about it. ACC fans are in denial because it will be so horribly disruptive.. It's coming. They have said so. They have given notice. Remember the recent FSU board meeting? Flugaur says they have three options in mind: 1 - The original GoR carried an expiry date of 2027. The revised GoR was extended to 2036. The ACC does not give money to the schools in exchange for their media rights. They offer "consideration." The consideration specified for the extension was access to the ACCN cable network and the inclusion of some Notre Dame content in the ACCN programming. If ND should leave The ACC, FSU will claim that they are no longer getting the consideration that they were offered in exchange for extending the deal. This won't invalidate the GoR entirely, but could cause a return to the original 2027 expiry date. That's a short enough interval to allow FSU to bail out. The drawback here is that the whole scheme depends on ND leaving the conference in the next couple of years. 2 - The outcome of Johnson v. NCAA seeking to declare college athletes employees of the university for whom they compete. Put simply, FSU will claim that this so drastically changes the nature of college sports, that existing business relationships can no longer serve the parties involved. Many schools will be unable or unwilling to continue athletics if they must meet a payroll for the players. This plan too, depends on externalities, those being the judgement and the timeline. 3 - This is the ugliest road but the one that FSU can follow independent of other parties. FSU will simply withdraw from The ACC, invite the lawsuit, and allow The State of Florida to take up the fight on their behalf. The legal fight would be more affordable for the state government. Flugaur indicates that Clemson intends to use this same tack. ** Edited by 33laszlo99 at 4/6/2023, 5:48:14 PM