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[NYUConn]

Mormons have needed to update the honor code for decades. This is thier opportunity to get in if they are just willing to change some of thier extremist views. Keep your door to door religion salesmen but for gods sakes leave the gays and lesbians alone.

Makes perfect sense as BYU makes all the expansion candidates stronger as well with lots of Mormons in places like NYC, Boston, and Ohio. I really hope it works out as Mormons are very easy to dislike so sporting events are much more exciting with BYU.

You realize you just said that an entire religion should change their ways so that a college can change athletic conferences?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

You realize you just said that an entire religion should change their ways so that a college can change athletic conferences?

...and?

 

[NYUConn]

...and?

That's completely detached from reality?

 

[sportsart]

That's completely detached from reality?

So is P5 college football.

 

[NYUConn]

So is P5 college football.

If the Big 12 gets the Mormon Church to become more progressive then that's great. Good luck with that.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

That's completely detached from reality?

Obviously joking haha.

Edit: I guess not that obvious.

 

[NYUConn]

Obviously joking haha.

Edit: I guess not that obvious.

I figured you might be by May as well punctuate it haha.

 

[MountainMan]

You realize you just said that an entire religion should change their ways so that a college can change athletic conferences?

No, I said the changes at the church have been needed for decades. Go back and read the first sentence.

The changes being needed for decades has nothing to do with conference realignment as these were needed when BYU was in the WAC and nobody cared about realignment much. Conference realignment has brought to light how the church and its' views are viewed by other people, specifically young people at ISU for example. Religious groups in general here in the United States have needed to update thier gay and lesbian policies for quite some time. Places like Oklahoma are very anti gay, if it weren't for federal law gay people would still not be allowed to get married in Oklahoma. Because of that I doubt Boren/Oklahoma gives a crap if BYU changes its' rules, he just wants them included in expansion.

 

[NYUConn]

No, I said the changes at the church have been needed for decades. Go back and read the first sentence.

The changes being needed for decades has nothing to do with conference realignment as these were needed when BYU was in the WAC and nobody cared about realignment much. Conference realignment has brought to light how the church and its' views are viewed by other people, specifically young people at ISU for example. Religious groups in general here in the United States have needed to update thier gay and lesbian policies for quite some time. Places like Oklahoma are very anti gay, if it weren't for federal law gay people would still not be allowed to get married in Oklahoma. Because of that I doubt Boren/Oklahoma gives a crap if BYU changes its' rules, he just wants them included in expansion.

You literally said this:

Mormons have needed to update the honor code for decades. This is thier opportunity to get in if they are just willing to change some of thier extremist views.

You said something ridiculous. Just own it, man.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Need JJ Abrams to reboot the honor code.

Well done.

 

[CL82]

Need JJ Abrams to reboot the honor code.

Would it really be better with shaky camera work?

 

[MountainMan]

You literally said this:

Mormons have needed to update the honor code for decades. This is thier opportunity to get in if they are just willing to change some of thier extremist views.

You said something ridiculous. Just own it, man.

I have no idea what you don't understand about my statement about this being a decade old problem that has nothing to do with realignment. That's what it is, and old problem with homosexuals. Maybe getting some feedback from this process will make a change.

Try to keep calm. You seem upset. Are you mormon?

 

[huskymedic]

I have no idea what you don't understand about my statement about this being a decade old problem that has nothing to do with realignment.

If it has nothing to do with realignment - then what does this statement refer to?

This is thier opportunity to get in if they are just willing to change some of thier extremist views

Get in where?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Don't hold yout breathe. I know several bishops in the LDS church in CT. They are steadfast in their beliefs. That is not to say that there are ongoing discussions on the LGBT subject, there are. Until you understand their beliefs, you cannot understand their Honor Code. Its not as easy as people think.

I have done business in Utah for two decades. The LDS church may be the most pro-business religion in the world, in part because its commercial holdings are large. BYU won't change its Honor Code for the Big 12, but the LDS church will adapt if it is good for business. I don't sense that this Honor Code controversy has reached the level of North Carolina's anti-LGBT law, but the LDS church is not stupid, and will act proactively if they think it might.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I have no idea what you don't understand about my statement about this being a decade old problem that has nothing to do with realignment. That's what it is, and old problem with homosexuals. Maybe getting some feedback from this process will make a change.

Try to keep calm. You seem upset. Are you mormon?

None of the religions the view homosexual activity as a sin, which is most of them, are going to change that view. Religious beliefs don't change with the times, nor should they. They are beyond the whims of society. To their adherents they speak truth in the face of societal pressure urging them to accept sin. What about this don't you get?

 

[lne001]

None of the religions the view homosexual activity as a sin, which is most of them, are going to change that view. Religious beliefs don't change with the times, nor should they. They are beyond the whims of society. To their adherents they speak truth in the face of societal pressure urging them to accept sin. What about this don't you get?

Wow. Don't know where to begin. As a matter of fact most the world's religions and philosophies do not regard homosexuality as a sin (i.e Buddhism, Hinduism, all Jews but Orthodox, and a fair number of the liberal Protestant denominations). Also throw agnostics and atheists into that grouping, although we are not a religion.

Unfortunately all of the abrahamic religions acquired the stricture against homosexuality from the Pentateuch. Progressive elements of religions such as Judaism and Protestantism have updated their rational moral compass. Catholicism, Islam, Conservative Protestantism and Mormonism continue to live in the Bronze Age on this and many issues.

There are no absolute moral truths and sin is a human construct. We humans create our own morality, and it is far better today than that promulgated thousands of years ago. Not changing with the times is why religions are dying (thank god).

 

[SubbaBub]

None of the religions the view homosexual activity as a sin, which is most of them, are going to change that view. Religious beliefs don't change with the times, nor should they. They are beyond the whims of society. To their adherents they speak truth in the face of societal pressure urging them to accept sin. What about this don't you get?

The Pope did.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Wow. Don't know where to begin. As a matter of fact most the world's religions and philosophies do not regard homosexuality as a sin (i.e Buddhism, Hinduism, all Jews but Orthodox, and a fair number of the liberal Protestant denominations). Also throw agnostics and atheists into that grouping, although we are not a religion.

Unfortunately all of the abrahamic religions acquired the stricture against homosexuality from the Pentateuch. Progressive elements of religions such as Judaism and Protestantism have updated their rational moral compass. Catholicism, Islam, Conservative Protestantism and Mormonism continue to live in the Bronze Age on this and many issues.

There are no absolute moral truths and sin is a human construct. We humans create our own morality, and it is far better today than that promulgated thousands of years ago. Not changing with the times is why religions are dying (thank god).

That leaves more than a billion people taking the view that it's a sin. I'm not taking a position on this, merely stating that asking Mormons to change closely held beliefs so that other people can feel better about them is ridiculous. Check the numbers, religion isn't dying in the way you think, partly because more secular people aren't procreating.

 

[MountainMan]

If it has nothing to do with realignment - then what does this statement refer to?


Get in where?

LOL. Best of luck with your argument. I was clear that the problem is decades old and has nothing to do with realignment. But you are free to interpret that statement however you like.

 

[MountainMan]

None of the religions the view homosexual activity as a sin, which is most of them, are going to change that view. Religious beliefs don't change with the times, nor should they. They are beyond the whims of society. To their adherents they speak truth in the face of societal pressure urging them to accept sin. What about this don't you get?

Your interpretation of how religions, including the LDS church, view homosexuals is different than mine. Religions do evolve and change with time.

I get it just fine. I have no idea why you seem to think if someone doesn't see things exactly like you do that they don't get it but that is clearly not the case. It's ok for people to have different viewpoints. That is why the students at ISU were able to speak their opinions on the the LDS and how it treats homosexuals.

 

[MountainMan]

That leaves more than a billion people taking the view that it's a sin. I'm not taking a position on this, merely stating that asking Mormons to change closely held beliefs so that other people can feel better about them is ridiculous. Check the numbers, religion isn't dying in the way you think, partly because more secular people aren't procreating.

Oh yes it is.
http://religionnews.com/2015/09/16/...hurch-say-researchers-but-especially-in-utah/

Christianity shrinking in U.S.; Mormon numbers essentially flat

Update of Pew study confirms that Mormonism is shrinking in the US • /r/exmormon

the LDS church has been flat or in decline for a while now. The extremist views are becoming less and less tolerable to society. The days of discriminating against gay people are coming to an end in this country, thankfully.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Oh yes it is.
More Mormon men are leaving the LDS Church, say researchers — but especially in Utah

Christianity shrinking in U.S.; Mormon numbers essentially flat

Update of Pew study confirms that Mormonism is shrinking in the US • /r/exmormon

the LDS church has been flat or in decline for a while now. The extremist views are becoming less and less tolerable to society. The days of discriminating against gay people are coming to an end in this country, thankfully.

Think globally and try again.

 

[MountainMan]

Think globally and try again.

I live in the United States and religion is shrinking here. I have also provided data to confirm this is correct.

All you are doing is repeating that I am "wrong" and "don't get it" when in reality I have backed up my points with actual facts and you have done nothing to prove your point. It's pretty clear that this has upset you, likely because you are mormon, and that's ok.

Take a deep breath. Ahhh.

 

[CL82]

I have done business in Utah for two decades. The LDS church may be the most pro-business religion in the world, in part because its commercial holdings are large. BYU won't change its Honor Code for the Big 12, but the LDS church will adapt if it is good for business. I don't sense that this Honor Code controversy has reached the level of North Carolina's anti-LGBT law, but the LDS church is not stupid, and will act proactively if they think it might.

Wait, NC is saying (I think, I haven't been paying close attention so sorry if I have this wrong) that bathroom use is determined by physiology and not self identification. The BYU honor code says we accept you if have homosexual feelings but we better not see any outward display of it. If we see same sex hand holding, or god forbid a kiss, you are expelled. You find the BYU position less offensive? Or is it that there is less outrage.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I live in the United States and religion is shrinking here. I have also provided data to confirm this is correct.

All you are doing is repeating that I am "wrong" and "don't get it" when in reality I have backed up my points with actual facts and you have done nothing to prove your point. It's pretty clear that this has upset you, likely because you are mormon, and that's ok.

Take a deep breath. Ahhh.

LOL. No, I'm not a Mormon. As I said, I'm not taking a position on this one way or the other. Just playing Devil's advocate. I simply think that anyone who thinks that a religion needs to change its core beliefs to accommodate their views doesn't understand religion. That's fine. We're all entitled to our opinions. BYU is entitled to theirs too. As for facts, try these. Fastest growing religion in the U.S. Muslims were #2.