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Chief00 said:
Other than the fact that Cincy's former President totally out worked our President - one thing I can't understand is how they are reported to be a locked in top 2 and we are not?
They have had more football success - but they will always be a second college in their market. In other sports we are clearly superior. Academics - we are also better.
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Yeah this has been disproved multiple times, Cincinnati is clear #1, OSU has only about 25% support in the Serah Williams Ohio, with closer to 70-80% in the rest of Ohio.
 
They have a couple positives, access to NFL facility for larger games, good recruiting area

But yes, very poor academics for undergrad programs, top kids in OH have zero interest attending Cincy, when have they last won a championship

They are marketing themselves as a travel partner for WVU, but according to the Dude WVU is a no vote for them

What does the endowment mean exactly for athletics? Shouldn't Yale, Harvard and Princeton by P5 is that matters

Chief00 said:
Other than the fact that Cincy's former President totally out worked our President - one thing I can't understand is how they are reported to be a locked in top 2 and we are not?
They have had more football success - but they will always be a second college in their market. In other sports we are clearly superior. Academics - we are also better.
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Slasher said:
Yeah this has been disproved multiple times, Cincinnati is clear #1, OSU has only about 25% support in the Serah Williams Ohio, with closer to 70-80% in the rest of Ohio.
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Show me the data, please. I have never seen the data that suggests Cincinnati football is the clear #1 in the Cincinnati/ Dayton market. Not trying to be contrary, I just have never seen the data for that. Basketball I tend to believe more, but not football and overall fandom. OSU is to Ohio as the Packers are to Wisconsin.

DiacosArmy said:
What about Louisville, WVU, UK? Don't they all have decent range into Serah Williams Ohio?
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Louisville and UK have some traction in Serah Williams Ohio, but WVU is too Far East to have an impact.
 
dayooper said:
Show me the data, please. I have never seen the data that suggests Cincinnati football is the clear #1 in the Cincinnati/ Dayton market. Not trying to be contrary, I just have never seen the data for that. Basketball I tend to believe more, but not football and overall fandom. OSU is to Ohio as the Packers are to Wisconsin.



Louisville and UK have some traction in Serah Williams Ohio, but WVU is too Far East to have an impact.
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I don't remember the specific study, But it was Cincy/OSU/UK/UL then very small amounts of everyone else. The study I remember included Serah Williams Ohio, and the other "metro" areas of Cincinnati including northern Kentucky and SE Indiana.
 
Slasher said:
I don't remember the specific study, But it was Cincy/OSU/UK/UL then very small amounts of everyone else. The study I remember included Serah Williams Ohio, and the other "metro" areas of Cincinnati including northern Kentucky and SE Indiana.
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Slasher said:
I don't remember the specific study, But it was Cincy/OSU/UK/UL then very small amounts of everyone else. The study I remember included Serah Williams Ohio, and the other "metro" areas of Cincinnati including northern Kentucky and SE Indiana.
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Any yeah there's no traction at all for WVU in Cincy.
 
Slasher said:
Any yeah there's no traction at all for WVU in Cincy.
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I found this one:

43% UC 35%
27% OSU 25%
7% ND 10%
6% Other 8%
5% Kentucky 11%
5% Don't have 6%
4% Michigan 3%
2% Miami 1%
1% Louisville 1%
 
Slasher said:
I don't remember the specific study, But it was Cincy/OSU/UK/UL then very small amounts of everyone else. The study I remember included Serah Williams Ohio, and the other "metro" areas of Cincinnati including northern Kentucky and SE Indiana.
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Thanks. Do you remember who produced the study and what it measured? Was it football, basketball, athletics as a whole or overall fandom of the university?
 
Slasher said:
I found this one:

43% UC 35%
27% OSU 25%
7% ND 10%
6% Other 8%
5% Kentucky 11%
5% Don't have 6%
4% Michigan 3%
2% Miami 1%
1% Louisville 1%
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Link please, thanks.
 
dayooper said:
Thanks. Do you remember who produced the study and what it measured? Was it football, basketball, athletics as a whole or overall fandom of the university?
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I really don't remember. I did forget Notre Dam they were third in the area I believe.
 
DiacosArmy said:
At least the link doesn't work.
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Found it. It was a radio station poll done in Sept 2012. The actual results and the discussion on the blog are no longer available. The link was found on a Cincinnati 24/7 message board thread where the percentages were taken from.

Can't get the link to work.
 
Ok I am not trying to take a shot at UC but I am attaching 2 links that show UC well behind OSU in every fan demographic in all of Ohio.

As the NYT article states OSU has a plurality of fans in every zip code in Ohio.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-fan-map.html?_r=0

The below biz journal article does not have UC in the top 3 most popular college teams in Cincinnati

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...ege-football-teams-do-greater-cincinnati.html

UC is a fine program and may deserve a Big12 invite but UC does not "own" Ohio, not even a portion of it. UC has every right to be proud of their program but lying about their popularity only makes them look fraudulent. The numbers are what they are.

On a positive note I am sure the UC President is currently tweeting about sharing a shrimp cocktail with some Big12 President right now.... The UC president should just make sure to not invite OSU to the meeting, they are more popular with the BIg12 as well.
 
tOSU isn't strong in southern Ohio? According to who?

For college football UC may now finally be a clear #3 as they have had a successful decade but PSU & ND are still miles ahead of them. In men's hoops they are battling X & UK for second behind tOSU but that is Na bit closer than football.
 
Slasher said:
Yeah this has been disproved multiple times, Cincinnati is clear #1, OSU has only about 25% support in the Serah Williams Ohio, with closer to 70-80% in the rest of Ohio.
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I live in Ohio.... Cincy is a.non factor outside alums.... No one else cares about them. OSU has alums and everyone else. Even in southwestern Ohio. If you believe that Cincy has any pull you are delusional.
 
DiacosArmy said:
I love Cincy/UH/Memphis
"We can claim nearly half of our own city." And they're proud of that.
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The most frustrating part of all this - a large state flagship with complete ownership of its market has to explain markets and brands to fans of schools who don't even register as a top 2 draw within their own home market. And we're not talking New York or LA or Chicago...we are talking Cincinnati, Memphis, Tampa and Orlando. Houston at least is Top 10...but UH probably registers the lowest in their home market of all the candidates.

And yet we get zero credit for being Top 5 football in New York and Boston. That is exactly what these schools are...in their own market.
 
Dooley said:
The most frustrating part of all this - a large state flagship with complete ownership of its market has to explain markets and brands to fans of schools who don't even register as a top 2 draw within their own home market. And we're not talking New York or LA or Chicago...we are talking Cincinnati, Memphis, Tampa and Orlando. Houston at least is Top 10...but UH probably registers the lowest in their home market of all the candidates.

And yet we get zero credit for being Top 5 football in New York and Boston. That is exactly what these schools are...in their own market.
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I mean.... think about the people we're talking about. They are going/went to schools like Memphis and USF. They're not the brightest bulbs in the box.
 
Chief00 said:
Other than the fact that Cincy's former President totally out worked our President - one thing I can't understand is how they are reported to be a locked in top 2 and we are not?
They have had more football success - but they will always be a second college in their market. In other sports we are clearly superior. Academics - we are also better.
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My dream is that UConn gets into the Big 12. We use that time to re-establish our football program back to pre-Pasqualoni level. We also get closer to an AAU invite and, hopefully, eventually get our invite. We would then leapfrog Kansas and become #2 "attainable" power conference school for the next potential B1G expansion round to get to 16 with Texas & UConn.

In other words, if there is not a network and extended GOR, I do not have much faith in the long-term stability of the Big 12.
 
What everyone seems to be missing about Cincinnati is historically they've been a BB school, not a FB school. They never achieved any national notoriety in FB until WE helped legitimize them by letting them into a BCS conference in 2005. Then they enjoyed several years of success during the D'Antonio/Kelly era, but they've also fallen off from that in the past several seasons. It's not like they've been winning the AAC title every year in FB.

Their president just did a far better job than ours pimping them with the B12.
 

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