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Yes, that is for the city of Cincinnati. It doesn't include the surrounding metro area.
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Yes, that is for the city of Cincinnati. It doesn't include the surrounding metro area.
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If you want to be honest about it, you should include:
Giants
Patriots
Yankees
Red Sox
Knicks
Bruins
Jets
and that doesn't include the NHL teams.
Ideally, we both get invites to the B12 and none of it matters.
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Well the the 3.5 million in Connecticut doesn't include the 11.5 M plus in the surrounding areas either.
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Wow all those teams have moved to Connecticut?
When are we building the statue of Malloy?
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I'm going to stop talking about this with you now.
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Kind of a wash....that is just a statement of figures. I'm just saying this whole idea of F500 companies is just a wash. It probably doesn't go either way. The 4x population had nothing to do with population metrics it had to do with comparing the # of F500 companies per Capita. Get your panties out of a bunch man....christ almighty.
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If you are going to include the 11.5 million from NYC, then you have to include all the NYC teams.
Yes, let's pretend like those teams have no impact in CT's media market. Between the population and the physical location of the stadium, You're trying to frame the argument into a very narrow mindset that results in a favorable, but entirely false narrative.
What about the major league franchises who don't play in the city (or even state) that have their namesake. Redskins, Cowboys, 49ers, Giants, Jets...?
Do they not factor into the media markets in DC, Dallas, San Francisco, or NYC?
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Well I do remember that Met's couldn't get their network in Connecticut after years of trying but once they UConn Woman's Basketball on it, it was all over the state in a matter of months.
So there's that...
Maybe there's something to the fact Cinci has 2 professional sports teams and CT has zero?
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An unattractive market for college sports, perhaps?
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It's almost like you're saying UConn Woman's Basketball matters in Connecticut. That's groundbreaking.
And yet, here we are, on the outside looking in. Passed over for BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, WVU, TCU, VT, and Miami.
So tell me again how valuable our woman's program is again?
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Tough to quantify. Clearly it is nationally recognized as the best program in the history of the sport. That's not going to get us into any conference as a stand alone but it is an indicator excellence in the athletic depart, especially when considered with the 21 total NCs we have accross a broad range of sports.
If you are a UConn fan you know the narrative of conference realignment woes, so I don't need to go through for you.
Or a "population" capable of supporting 2 professional and 2 college sports teams, while our population of 3.5 million isn't capable of keeping the Whalers around.
The corner you're painting yourself into is getting really small. I don't know why people like to pretend that the largest population hub in CT isn't located closer to NYC than Storrs.
Arguing metrics is fine, but just admit you're deliberately identifying misleading information to prove a point to people who want UConn in the B12 just as much as you do, and who have just as little impact into that result as you do.
It's really bizarre.
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The Pats
Red Sox
Bruin
Celtics
have zero New York impact
So to be fair the 11.5 million becomes 20million or whatever the New England population is
The real point is there are s bunch of people unrepresented currently that are potentially college football fans.
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On the contrary the fact that nearly 1/3 of our population falls within the NYC DMA is a huge plus for us, just as it was for Rutgers.
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In a rational world the ACC would be contacting us right now. But we don't live in a rational world. Any ACC overture just highlights the fact that BC and Cuse haven't gotten the job done for them in the NE. So they'll spend the next few weeks showcasing their new network deal that had everything to do with keeping their valuable properties locked up and zero to do with a strong NE presence.
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Look, when you've resorted to Women's basketball to try and prove a point about Conference Realignment, you've already lost.
Conference realignment is a free market. We all believe we are worthy of an invite, but the market is a buyer's market, and it has decided our value, and it doesn't give a stuff about women's basketball, or in the case of Rutgers, athletic excellence.
It's about money, everything else is secondary. If the B12 couldn't make more money by adding schools, they wouldn't. And they've basically gone on record saying any new member would have to take a pay cut. So now they're trying to figure out how to make the most. I agree that UConn has a lot to offer, but so does Cinci, and how many F500 companies are located in the area is about as important as WBB.
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I clearly wrote "OHIO has more F500 companies than CT." So no, not in Cincinnati. Although Cincinnati does have more Fortune 500 companies than any city in Connecticut or any other city in Ohio. Significantly more than Storrs.
Oh wait, so now we're not concerned about the lines on the map? We're not going to talk about those teams' impact into that NYC DMA? You can't have it both ways. You can't say those teams don't matter when looking at the CT population, and then argue that access to the NYC DMA is a major plus, but pretend like there isn't any competition already in that market.
If conference weren't concerned about the competition in that market, if they didn't think it was already diluted, we'd already have been invited somewhere. It's not as much a slam dunk people pretend it is.
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I'm really not understanding the argument here. Do some of you seriously think the UC market offers as much or more than the UConn market? NYC and New England are the most underesperesented markets in the country when it comes to college sports, especially football. UConn has a ton of strong selling points but if any of this process made any sense UCONN should be able to sell itself on just the untapped market UConn will be tapping into.
Wait. You just wrote "to be fair" there are "20 million" potential college football fans in the NYC/New England area, while arguing that the Red Sox, Bruins, and Celtics have zero impact in NYC?
Do they have impact in Boston? Or New England?
The fact your post (which is completely irrational) got 3 likes shows how insane this board is. People will like anything that paints a pretty picture, no matter how detached it is from reality.
Let's put it this way.
Ever think that maybe it's underrepresented because too many people just don't care?
Ask a UConn football question on the basketball board. These are fans who follow a UConn sport....closely.... and half that board couldn't tell you our starting QBs name. Half of our fans on the football board can't even spell his name.
We don't exist in a vacuum. People in CT and New England aren't crying for a college football team because we're "underrepresented". There are too many other sports options, several that offer teams that not only have one of the best rivalries in all of sports, but teams that have had a lot of success, particularly recently.
The sports ties in New England run deep, and they aren't tied to College Football. If they were, this CR board wouldn't exist because we'd already have been invited.
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You have to be trolling, right?
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Bingo. Why do you think the B1G and ACC are engaged in a year's long p1ssing contest over which contest is "New York's"? About 1/4 of the advertising in Yankee Stadium is for a B1G or ACC conference or member school.
The best part - neither can lay 100% claim. So why wouldn't the Big 12 (specifically Texas and Oklahoma) want a piece of that? Would UConn elevate the B12 to either of those conferences territorial claim alone? Absolutely not. But UConn would absolutely cut the pie in 3 ways - some pieces bigger than others. And that would be incredibly valuable for the B12 (and UConn).
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That's not even a glass half empty view, that's the glass with a drop left. The fact that UConn isn't P5 has nothing to do with whether it should be.
Meanwhile, if you are honest, you would recognize that UConn's appeal is state wide and UC's is not. Hell they have a hard time fighting off both Ohio State and Kentucky in their own town, and are damned close to Louisville and a host of MAC teams, which each have a following. Plus, Hartford/NH's DMA is larger than Cincinnati's all by itself.
So, you can look at it two ways. One...southern Ohio is big on college football. And that's true. Or two, the potential for more fans for Cinci is tiny, while the potential for more fans for UConn is massive. And that's true too. UConn has vastly more upside than UC or any other school being considered, because we lack competition. If UC has achieved 90% of its fan potential, and UConn, 10% of its, which is more appealing?
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And that's what people said about UConn basketball before Calhoun. Bobby Knight saw a sleeping giant and so did Jim Calhoun. UConn football has suffered from the worst possible coaching hire and a horrible conference situation. They were building something great and then a self-inflicted wound and a wound outside of their control derailed the progress, they are finally building back up but need a P5 to play in. If you don't think there would be any juice around New England and NYC for football games with UConn v. Texas, UConn v. Ohio State, UConn v. Oklahoma, UConn v. Michigan then you are crazy.
If you (or more specifically CL82) were honest, you'd recognize that our "state wide" appeal in Fairfield County isn't anywhere close to what we need it to be. And that the residents of FC, for a very long time, far more closely identify with NYC, than Hartford or UConn.
And yes, I agree 100% that UConn has far more upside. But if you're going to be honest, we don't lack competition.
If you want to be honest, we are competing not just with College Football, but with the Yankees, Sox, Giants, Pats, etc etc for media attention, and fan support. And that's why CL82's state line argument is so delusional.
This media market that we like to tout as being so valuable, is a pro market. If you're going to be honest, then don't make fun of the fact that BCU is about the 6th most important team in Boston, and then scratch your head as to why UConn isn't getting more traction from P5 conferences due to the NYC DMA.
You're putting words in my mouth, and missing the point.
I'm not arguing that UConn can't be a very good football program.
I'm not arguing that people in CT wouldn't be excited for UConn vs OU or Texas.
But if you think Boston and NYC are going to be excited about a football game between UConn and Iowa State, you're crazy. We played before, how much buzz was there in NYC for that game? None. Our true value in NYC is basketball. But it hasn't been enough to move the decision makers to pick us.
There's a reason 1) we're still on the outside looking in and 2) sweating it out for a spot against the likes of Cinci, Houston, Memphis, BYU, and USF/UCF.
In the end, I think we get in, because I agree the value is there. I just don't think the value is so much more, that it's a no-brainer. Up until the ACCN, the B12 wasn't expanding. So what's more important, our DMA or the impact of the ACCN?
But yeah sure, I'm just trolling. Answer this, if UConn was so valuable that it doesn't make any sense for us to be passed up, why is anyone nervous? Because the presidents of the B1G, ACC, and B12 are stupid? Because of a grudge about a lawsuit? Because they're scared of the sleeping giant football program?
Or is it because they aren't sold on the idea that UConn can create more revenue for the conference than it receives?
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