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djct1999 said:
Been saying it all along. If UConn can't add $50 mil in revenue, please explain to me how the hell Kansas does? I think both the B1g or Sec can live without the KC market.
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Don't see them taking any private schools either.
 
More talk of how bringing NBC on board facilitates bringing ND on board. At a minimum it would help with ND and Michigan scheduling future games.

 
djct1999 said:
Been saying it all along. If UConn can't add $50 mil in revenue, please explain to me how the hell Kansas does? I think both the B1g or Sec can live without the KC market.
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Only if advertising becomes a larger factor. No matter how long it's been since they won a natty, they still have a name.

Note- I would much rather have UConn and Oklahoma vs Kansas and Oklahoma in any circumstance.
 
Duncan Idaho said:
Why Kansas?
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If Kansas, Duke, and Georgia Tech jump ahead of UConn, it is because academics/AAU status and geographic/cultural bridging (Kansas supports Oklahoma, GTech supports FSU, Duke helps recruit UNC) has trumped markets (UConn's strength) in the B1G's reckoning.

Kansas is a good comparable for UConn because its academics are no better than UConn's despite its legacy AAU status. But maybe the AAU label matters more than the substance.
 
pj said:
If Kansas, Duke, and Georgia Tech jump ahead of UConn, it is because academics/AAU status and geographic/cultural bridging (Kansas supports Oklahoma, GTech supports FSU, Duke helps recruit UNC) has trumped markets (UConn's strength) in the B1G's reckoning.

Kansas is a good comparable for UConn because its academics are no better than UConn's despite its legacy AAU status. But maybe the AAU label matters more than the substance.
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In fairness, Kansas is not the academic institution that UConn is. We are rated 19th for public universities while Kansas is 55th. They have legacy status in the AAU, which has become much harder to crack now. But I don't see kids picking KU over UConn except for the customary reasons of proximity or cost. Straight up - which is the better school? Hands down UConn. It is similar to the situation where many schools have legacy status in P-5 conferences, where there no way they would be added now. Wake Forest? Vandy? (name your best choice) I share Dooley's despair. The frustration factor will be off the charts if we miss out again, because we know we belong!
 
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djct1999 said:
Been saying it all along. If UConn can't add $50 mil in revenue, please explain to me how the hell Kansas does? I think both the B1g or Sec can live without the KC market.
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For the B1G, its more than just money. Kansas has a basketball brand which based on media perception is strong than UConn's, is AAU, which is a big one, and helps build a 'landbridge' between Nebraska and Oklahoma and possibly Texas to the south. The good news is that even if the XII folds, the B1G would likely be looking to fill 3 more slot in addition to Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas to get to 20.
 
Sea Goat said:
In fairness, Kansas is not the academic institution that UConn is. We are rated 19th for public universities while Kansas is 55th. They have legacy status in the AAU, which has become much harder to crack now. But I don't see kids picking KU over UConn except for the customary reasons of proximity or cost. Straight up - which is the better school? Hands down UConn. It is similar to the situation where many schools have legacy status in P-5 conferences, where there no way they would be added now. Wake Forest? Vandy? (name your best choice) I share Dooley's despair. The frustration factor will be off the charts if we miss out again, because we know we belong!
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As far as graduate programs and research go, Kansas and UConn are equivalent. At the undergraduate level, the only substantive difference is that Kansas requires the university to accept all students with a GPA of 2.0 or higher in a college prep curriculum, or with an SAT score above 980 if they've achieved a GPA of 3.25. (U.S. Freshmen Requirements | Undergraduate Admissions). These are really easy admissions standards and it hurts KU in the undergrad rankings. Nevertheless for a good student, the quality of undergraduate education at KU and UConn may be similar, you just have more dumb classmates at KU.
 
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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
I forgot to mention....BTM: WCHA believes ASU HCKY has decided on them as their home conference. Big news!

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
Greg Flugaur Retweeted Greg Flugaur

https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire/status/723873345511514113… If what BTM is saying is true...#8 Big Ten HCKY slot opens up again... Who?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
Our info on April 5th on ASU to B1G was not from BTM(or we would have indicated it on the tweet) BTM does not believe ASU HCKY is B1G bound

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
Greg Flugaur Retweeted Greg Flugaur

https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire/status/723874466992791553… This really does surprise me. I'm Hoping BTM is dead wrong. Will see very quickly....

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
I would have bet my last dollar ASU HCKY was B1G bound. Not betting my 6 bucks...lol. BTM has spoken...not betting against It's too bad.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire I'm not going to lie, this surprises me, if true.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 4h4 hours ago
@pfh1964 Yeah. Someone told him something. BTM is going way against the grain on this.... Oh well...will see soon enough.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 4h4 hours ago
@pfh1964 I have dinner with him 2 weeks from today...if we find out he's wrong before dinner I will have him pay for all rds of drinks

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire UConn?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough On Jan 30th BTM said 2 out of the 3 (ND-UCONN-ASU)...so... I will ask him at dinner in 2 weeks.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough I just think (my opinion only, which means nothing) BTM is wrong. But I don't edit his emails or comments.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@UConn6thBorough He seems to always get this stuff right....so....what the hell happen from his perception on ASU HCKY? IDK.

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire great always appreciated!

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough Well....I really only made everything really confusing now. Life is full of curveballs.

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire What started as a straightforward issue (B12 expansion) has become a more complex problem (B10, ACC, evenP12, SEC, G5)

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough Yep.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire I thought that they were going to announce a week ago, and how much arena/PACN has delayed it.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@pfh1964 I thought so to... Exactly what I thought. BTM is way out on limb. But his words were clear. ASU HCKY not B1G Bound. IDK

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Is it possible that they know one or two more teams coming, PAC or not?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@pfh1964 I honestly have no idea. I'm seriously baffled.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Not complaining. In the end, I just want team to thrive & lead to more teams, but I'd be lying if I said this didn't shock me.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@pfh1964 Yeah...ASU is going to be fine no matter what. NCHC or WCHA are fantastic a homes for ASU.

Josh ‏@JRock140 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire did BTM offer insights on who #8 will be?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@JRock140 I have dinner with him in 2 weeks. We are...AGAIN...going to flush this out. I'm a little stunned right now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire Apr 22
BTM: EXAMPLE:Check when Kansas is free of their current 3rd Teir deal. Let's just say KU won't be renewing that deal,will run its course.

keith olsick ‏@keitholsick 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire do you know when their deal expires? Is this possible KU/Okla announcement months or years away in your estimation?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@keitholsick 1. 2022/23. 2. Years away

Expansion_crush ‏@Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours agoAtlanta, IN
@flugempire UCONN or Boston College

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@Expansion_Crush @flugempire BC/UCONN not leaving HE unless entire school goes with them.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@pfh1964 @Expansion_Crush BC is not leaving HE without full membership. But what do I know...the ASU info has me baffled.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@pfh1964 @Expansion_Crush BTM told us on the past ASU & UCONN (along with ND) were being targeted by Delany. So will see...

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire @Expansion_Crush Maybe with B12 so screwed up, they know UCONN coming, so they asked ASU to bow out quietly.

Expansion_crush ‏@Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours agoAtlanta, IN
@pfh1964 @flugempire also told Stanford was looking at it as well with no specific timeline.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 2h2 hours ago
@Expansion_Crush @flugempire There are no timelines for any of this. It's what makes ASU so "important".

Expansion_crush ‏@Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours agoAtlanta, IN
@pfh1964 @flugempire I was a couple weeks ago that a couple Big Ten teams were looking at developing a varsity hockey team within 5 to 6 yrs

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@Expansion_Crush @flugempire Maybe, just maybe that new rink in Iowa...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@pfh1964 @Expansion_Crush I don't think so... But will see...hopefully quickly.
 
CL82 said:
.... and yet you do.
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It's a process. It's a process. The most important thing when you fall down is to pick yourself back up again. Let's all try to remember this when BCU is given the same RU treatment and invited to the B1G when they don't offer anything other than cable boxes.
 
4in16 said:
Does anyone really think UConn would abandon the travel and strength of HE for the B1G without a full all sports membership offer? I just don't see it happening or worth it, unless promised full membership within a few years time by Delaney.
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Unless there was some indication an all-sports invite was something that would be on the table, no. It would not be a competitive move up, travel costs would skyrocket, recruiting would be difficult because you'd be traveling nonstop. Look at how ND's situation with HE went as a geographic and cultural outsider, it was a bad fit for everyone involved. Yeah, it'd be cool to play Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin each year, but from a competitive standpoint, playing BC, BU, PC, Lowell, and even still UNH and Maine more than make up for that.
 
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4in16 said:
Does anyone really think UConn would abandon HE for the B1G without a full all sports membership offer?
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Maybe. As the newbie in HE our departure wouldn't likely result in a B1G bludgeoning by the HE media, as it certainly would if BC was enticed to leave. What if the move was conditioned on three symbiotic promises from Delaney. UConn would agree to turn down any offer from the Big XII, thus keeping UT/OU and friends from encroaching into the prized NYC/NE markets that the B1G is trying hard to protect. In return, the B1G would put us in a "priority" position for entry during next expansion opportunity, predicated on meeting certain football metrics, e.g., record, bowl games, attendance, stadium expansion, etc. as we push ever closer to AAU. B1G would also reward UConn during the waiting period (6 years?) with the scheduling of several high profile B1G/UConn home and home football and basketball games--while we await "highly probable" but not "guaranteed" full membership.
Would you take that?
 
Nostical said:
Maybe. As the newbie in HE our departure wouldn't likely result in a B1G bludgeoning by the HE media, as it certainly would if BC was enticed to leave. What if the move was conditioned on three symbiotic promises from Delaney. UConn would agree to turn down any offer from the Big XII, thus keeping UT/OU and friends from encroaching into the prized NYC/NE markets that the B1G is trying hard to protect. In return, the B1G would put us in a "priority" position for entry during next expansion opportunity, predicated on meeting certain football metrics, e.g., record, bowl games, attendance, stadium expansion, etc. as we push ever closer to AAU. B1G would also reward UConn during the waiting period (6 years?) with the scheduling of several high profile B1G/UConn home and home football and basketball games--while we await "highly probable" but not "guaranteed" full membership.
Would you take that?
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Nope. Has to be guaranteed. Could be hockey, all olympic, mens and women bb for 2018. Football in 2024, with the promise, depending on where we play for that time, a guarantee of 2-6 games annually. 2, if football stays in aac, 6 if we go independent. I will admit, that ever since UConn added hockey, I always felt it was with the B1g in mind, not HE.
 
Nostical said:
Maybe. As the newbie in HE our departure wouldn't likely result in a B1G bludgeoning by the HE media, as it certainly would if BC was enticed to leave. What if the move was conditioned on three symbiotic promises from Delaney. UConn would agree to turn down any offer from the Big XII, thus keeping UT/OU and friends from encroaching into the prized NYC/NE markets that the B1G is trying hard to protect. In return, the B1G would put us in a "priority" position for entry during next expansion opportunity, predicated on meeting certain football metrics, e.g., record, bowl games, attendance, stadium expansion, etc. as we push ever closer to AAU. B1G would also reward UConn during the waiting period (6 years?) with the scheduling of several high profile B1G/UConn home and home football and basketball games--while we await "highly probable" but not "guaranteed" full membership.
Would you take that?
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I would not accept those terms as you stated them.

Being put in "priority" position for B1G membership based on meeting certain metrics would be acceptable as long as they are reasonable and attainable. Attendance for example, asking us to have 100% attendance especially with the schedule we have is out of the question, (35,000 avg. is more reasonable in a 40,000 seat venue). That would mean the B1G would have to agree to help us achieve those established attendance figures by scheduling quality out-of conference games with us. B1G would also have to recommend us for AAU status as long as we meet established criteria (We've got to be very close right now, if not already there.) Record, bowl games, stadium expansion are fair criteria. However, without guaranteed "full" membership its a dead deal in my mind.

Yes, I think being in the AAC will in the long run be a death sentence for us. But I don't think we can become beggars. I truly believe UConn is a quality property and has much to offer the B1G athletically, academically, media wise, monetarily, and tradition. We are a good fit. Are we there yet?? Maybe not quite? But we are definitely not far off. If the NBA or NFL can afford to draft a player based on projected future value I think the B1G can also. UConn should not be overlooked. That's dangerous because we will come back and bite you in the as*.
 
Nostical said:
Maybe. As the newbie in HE our departure wouldn't likely result in a B1G bludgeoning by the HE media, as it certainly would if BC was enticed to leave. What if the move was conditioned on three symbiotic promises from Delaney. UConn would agree to turn down any offer from the Big XII, thus keeping UT/OU and friends from encroaching into the prized NYC/NE markets that the B1G is trying hard to protect. In return, the B1G would put us in a "priority" position for entry during next expansion opportunity, predicated on meeting certain football metrics, e.g., record, bowl games, attendance, stadium expansion, etc. as we push ever closer to AAU. B1G would also reward UConn during the waiting period (6 years?) with the scheduling of several high profile B1G/UConn home and home football and basketball games--while we await "highly probable" but not "guaranteed" full membership.
Would you take that?
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Nos as a season ticket holder for the hockey team the ONLY way you can sell me on leaving HE for the B1G is for full conference membership. Right now we are in the PERFECT conference for hockey...it's regional, travel costs are about as low as you can get, and we play where we recruit. Hockey truely is a regional sport. Look no further than ND/HE experiment as the perfect example of why this would be a bad move for UConn going to the B1G in hockey.
 
Nostical said:
Maybe. As the newbie in HE our departure wouldn't likely result in a B1G bludgeoning by the HE media, as it certainly would if BC was enticed to leave. What if the move was conditioned on three symbiotic promises from Delaney. UConn would agree to turn down any offer from the Big XII, thus keeping UT/OU and friends from encroaching into the prized NYC/NE markets that the B1G is trying hard to protect. In return, the B1G would put us in a "priority" position for entry during next expansion opportunity, predicated on meeting certain football metrics, e.g., record, bowl games, attendance, stadium expansion, etc. as we push ever closer to AAU. B1G would also reward UConn during the waiting period (6 years?) with the scheduling of several high profile B1G/UConn home and home football and basketball games--while we await "highly probable" but not "guaranteed" full membership.
Would you take that?
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Good grief. You have a binding deal to get in (whether or not time delayed or conditioned on something within UConn's control) or you don't. Quit with the stupid questions. You don't think it's stupid -- try this. Guy to girl in bar -- "No, I can't promise you that we'll be going out if we hook up tonight, but if we hook up I'll keep an eye on you and if you improve your economic future and take off five pounds, before I ever do commit to one woman I'll consider it being you on a priority basis."

We are not joining the Big Ten in hockey unless there is a "commitable offer" from the Big Ten.

And we're really raising as a consideration how the "Hockey East press" views us leaving?
 
businesslawyer said:
Good grief. You have a binding deal to get in (whether or not time delayed or conditioned on something within UConn's control) or you don't. Quit with the stupid questions. You don't think it's stupid -- try this. Guy to girl in bar -- "No, I can't promise you that we'll be going out if we hook up tonight, but if we hook up I'll keep an eye on you and if you improve your economic future and take off five pounds, before I ever do commit to one woman I'll consider it being you on a priority basis."

We are not joining the Big Ten in hockey unless there is a "commitable offer" from the Big Ten.

And we're really raising as a consideration how the "Hockey East press" views us leaving?
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I only liked your post for your creative use of "committable offer" ... impressive!! :cool:
 
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Dooley said:
It's a process. It's a process. The most important thing when you fall down is to pick yourself back up again. Let's all try to remember this when BCU is given the same RU treatment and invited to the B1G when they don't offer anything other than cable boxes.
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At that point I made need an intervention...or a suicide watch.

BCU was lucky/smart to make the move when it did. It has no value by current standards.
 
businesslawyer said:
Good grief. You have a binding deal to get in (whether or not time delayed or conditioned on something within UConn's control) or you don't. Quit with the stupid questions. You don't think it's stupid -- try this. Guy to girl in bar -- "No, I can't promise you that we'll be going out if we hook up tonight, but if we hook up I'll keep an eye on you and if you improve your economic future and take off five pounds, before I ever do commit to one woman I'll consider it being you on a priority basis."
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Biz you are underestimating your closing ability. I'll bet that would work, at least at last call.
 
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CL82 said:
Biz you are underestimating your closing ability. I'll bet that would work at, at least at last call.
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Depends on the girl. Some girls just like to keep their future options open.
 
It's all or nothing. We can deal with a staggered payout, or even a multi -phase enrollment, but UConn isn't really bound contractually to the AAC or Hockey East in any meaningful way that would preclude joining immediately.

The new NCAA rules allow uneven divisions for FB, so we don't even need a partner at this point. It's all about being invited.
 
Nostical said:
Maybe. As the newbie in HE our departure wouldn't likely result in a B1G bludgeoning by the HE media, as it certainly would if BC was enticed to leave. What if the move was conditioned on three symbiotic promises from Delaney. UConn would agree to turn down any offer from the Big XII, thus keeping UT/OU and friends from encroaching into the prized NYC/NE markets that the B1G is trying hard to protect. In return, the B1G would put us in a "priority" position for entry during next expansion opportunity, predicated on meeting certain football metrics, e.g., record, bowl games, attendance, stadium expansion, etc. as we push ever closer to AAU. B1G would also reward UConn during the waiting period (6 years?) with the scheduling of several high profile B1G/UConn home and home football and basketball games--while we await "highly probable" but not "guaranteed" full membership.
Would you take that?
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You can't turn down the B12 for a mere promise to be considered in the future. The fact is that UConn, and every other leading university, will always be considered. Nor does it help for them to give us their metrics.

You would leave for a firm, contractually binding commitment. It doesn't have to be immediate entry, but it would probably be an invitation for all sports but football, football goes independent and gets a 6-game per year scheduling alliance with the B1G, and football is #15 school into the conference once they find a #16.

If they can't make a commitment and the B12 offers, you take the B12 and tell (a) the B1G, look, we'll try to meet your metrics and will leave the B12 for you later, so keep us under consideration; and (b) the B12, look, we know you care about money and want new entrants from the G5 to accept a lower payout; as long as we are under a lower payout, we should have easier exit rights. (Privately, you design the terms to allow you to leave for the B1G if the offer comes through.)
 
Yeah here is the thing: nobody is in charge of all these tough negotiations at UConn.

The Big 12 isn't expanding - the Big 10 is not calling.

Maybe someday the ACC will need some new teams. Until then can we please stop with UConn to the Big 10?
 
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