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[CL82]

Don @Don_304 · 3h 3 hours ago
Expansion news and notes from MFB contributor Chris Lambert (@theDudeofWV)! http://mountaineerfanboy.prophpbb.com/topic14.html

I have to admit, that made sense as far as it went.

 

[Nostical]

I firmly believe that if President Herbst was our President in the 90s, UCONN would be in the B1G today.

No doubt! It makes my head hurt to think how we squandered so much of our "athletic capital" due to institutional inertia. What Lew Perkins began was short-circuited by marginal leaders at the top who lacked both the vision and the knowhow to translate it into building what Herbst has shown she could have accomplished given her short but visibly kinetic tenure.

 

[noeynox]

I have to admit, that made sense as far as it went.

His premise is flawed. Schools could join the conference and agree to take less or negotiate their own deal and pay the big 12. He seems confident the big 12 will get a championship game with 10 teams cause of autonomy. I don't know why the other p5 members would grant them that.

 

[upstater]

Please copy and paste this every time one of our board's nitwits start in on their ridiculous Herbst comments. I firmly believe that if President Herbst was our President in the 90s, UCONN would be in the B1G today. It's incredibly difficult to play catch-up when there are so many areas that UCONN needed to or continues to need to improve under her watch (endowment figure, research/AAU profile, football performance, fan support, student body increase, APR, replacing a basketball coaching legend, upgrading hockey, etc).

I wouldn't be so confident. Before the 2000s, state funding for colleges was supported nationally. But Conn. was in the bottom quintile for support. Now that state funding has been stripped from high ed. nationally, state legislators in Conn. have come to understand that the rise in tuition to make up for the shortfall in funding requires that care is given to the top public university. This kind of pressure didn't exist in the 80s or 90s, at least to this degree. In the northeast, we often saw state funding being given to private institutions rather than state schools. And when you looked at the alma maters of state leaders in the northeast, they were usually private schools.

 

[bobbyinaz]

His premise is flawed. Schools could join the conference and agree to take less or negotiate their own deal and pay the big 12. He seems confident the big 12 will get a championship game with 10 teams cause of autonomy. I don't know why the other p5 members would grant them that.

Schools already take less when they join conferences. Nebraska is still not making a full share & UMD & RU don't get full shares until 2018 or 2019. West Virginia doesn't get a full share until 2016

I would agree that I don't think autonomy gives the Big 12 a championship game. It depends on what the other conferences think is in their best interest. If they want the status quo to remain in place then they might allow the championship game not wanting to set any further CR in motion. If they think that the Big 12 would go to 12 teams without adding a current P5 school (Cinci, USF, UCF, BYU etc) then they may force them to expand to get a championship game.

 

[Stinger92860]

Assuming he is correct, we may need to make a deal to accept a partial share, which makes sense. Could we propose a Scenario where we start with a partial share Includes a performance based incentive for more money? Could be on field performance or network ratings etc.

 

[CL82]

Our paltry TV payout does open the door to this option. Even 1/3 (not that I'd advocate for a reduced share) of most other conferences TV money would be an improvement for us.

 

[Stinger92860]

Our paltry TV payout does open the door to this option. Even 1/3 (not that I'd advocate for a reduced share) of most other conferences TV money would be an improvement for us.

Rutgers is paying for a P5 game. They don't need to pay for an AAC game.

 

[UConn Dan]

Was this posted (from yesterday)?

@RedhawkLand: I stand by my sources at OU that said B1G pitched OU a conceptual conf. of 20 or 24 teams. 4 pods of 5/6 @flugempire @chad_rice @MHver3

@RedhawkLand: The west pod proposed would be Iowa, Neb, KU, OU, Tex, & maybe Mizz @flugempire @chad_rice @MHver3

@flugempire: @RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 I can confirm OU has been pitched scenarios and it will continue..but TX is cold to B1G. Boosters icy

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · Oct 8
@RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 Most importantly the 10* brand of the Sooners craves Natl exposure. Boren watching B1G/BTN results in east

Redhawk Land Service ‏@RedhawkLand · Oct 8
Natl exposure not even in top of worries/wants. Legit path to NC is, but they think B12 has that. @flugempire @chad_rice @MHver3

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · Oct 8
@RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 So far results have been stellar. Distrubution+Tickets+Marketing. B1G = OU NATL exposure in east time zone

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · Oct 8
@RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 Big12 teir 3 does not promote the product of the Big 12 as effectively as Conf Net. Big 12 football great..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · Oct 8
@RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 .....but the exposure of Big 12 currently falling behind. LHN is getting squashed vs SECN. BTN making huge..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · Oct 8
@RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 strides in the Mid Atl. UMD & RU never has had this much regionally and local exposure BTN provides in..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · Oct 8
@RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 ..promoting their product along with the product of competition of a conference (B1G) Boren and B1G need..

 

[CTMike]

Was this posted (from yesterday)?

@RedhawkLand: I stand by my sources at OU that said B1G pitched OU a conceptual conf. of 20 or 24 teams. 4 pods of 5/6 @flugempire @chad_rice @

@RedhawkLand: The west pod proposed would be Iowa, Neb, KU, OU, Tex, & maybe Mizz @flugempire @chad_rice @

@flugempire: @RedhawkLand @chad_rice @ I can confirm OU has been pitched scenarios and it will continue..but TX is cold to B1G. Boosters icy

That's an awfully HFD proposal. Not sayin... Just sayin...

 

[CL82]

That's an awfully HFD proposal. Not sayin... Just sayin...

It needs slashes

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 45m45 minutes ago
So I have some new... real... interesting expansion news next week.


Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 47m 47 minutes ago
It concerns the future of the Big 12. Big 12 expansion & revisionist history.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @PromiscuousJawa But I've been interviewing people for the book & I have some info that fills in gaps & paints a good picture of the future.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 29m 29 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa Like I've been able to confirm that the Big 12 has the support of both the SEC & ACC regarding a CCG.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 35m 35 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa That means that at least the P5 will not force the Big 12 to expand solely for a CCG.

 

[Dooley]

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 29m 29 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa Like I've been able to confirm that the Big 12 has the support of both the SEC & ACC regarding a CCG.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 35m 35 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa That means that at least the P5 will not force the Big 12 to expand solely for a CCG.

If this is true, that might be good news for UCONN. We can be added without a partner and that conference can still have a CCG.

 

[Kolumbo]

If this is true, that might be good news for UCONN. We can be added without a partner and that conference can still have a CCG.

Why is his news always "next week?" and remind me, who says the Big 12 can't have a CCG if it wants to?

 

[businesslawyer]

Why is his news always "next week?" and remind me, who says the Big 12 can't have a CCG if it wants to?

The NCAA says that to play a CCG you have to have at least twelve teams.

 

[CTGoonie]

This is true but wasn't the NCAA supposed to change the rule and allow conferences to decide how they pick a champion? I remember reading that they hoped come up with the new rule this Fall but I haven't heard anything.

 

[jostar1]

This is true but wasn't the NCAA supposed to change the rule and allow conferences to decide how they pick a champion? I remember reading that they hoped come up with the new rule this Fall but I haven't heard anything.

It hasn't been voted on yet.

 

[jostar1]

If this is true, that might be good news for UCONN. We can be added without a partner and that conference can still have a CCG.

I was thinking it might not be good news. The ACC gives the Big12 a reason not to expand and that leaves UConn still available.

 

[Kolumbo]

The NCAA says that to play a CCG you have to have at least twelve teams.

So the NCAA has nothing to do with the college championship, but it can dictate whether or not a conference wants to play an extra game?

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV @PromiscuousJawa I agree with you about expansion. The B12 is safe until 2021 at least but it has to expand the footprint.

Utini ‏@PromiscuousJawa · 35m35 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV They'll never make it to 2021 with 10 teams. No one outside the conference cares about us. Except for OU and OKSt. UT fading

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @PromiscuousJawa We don't agree on that. The GoR is in place. Fox wants the Big 12 intact.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @PromiscuousJawa OU is committed to the Big 12 if Texas is & Texas appears to be committed with new leadership.

Utini ‏@PromiscuousJawa · 32m32 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV Texas' new leadership is onboard with expansion it seems. And Castiglione wants it sooner than later.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 29m29 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa Texas isn't onboard with expansion. I don't know who is telling you that. Even OU won't vote for it.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV @PromiscuousJawa ESPN is going to pressure Texas to move to the ACC but Texas has diminished interest after traveling to WV.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV @PromiscuousJawa They are not hot about the travel the ACC would require. Not the costs... the hassle.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 36m 36 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa So the Big 12 could be in a position to benefit from a bidding war between Fox & ESPN. Could be...

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 36m 36 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa That opens another can of worms. Does Fox push the B12 to expand to increase inventory? Texas has been deadset against exp.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @PromiscuousJawa Fox can't use the Big 12 as tentpole with only 10 members.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV @PromiscuousJawa But Fox won't pay for expansion under the current contract they share with ESPN.

Utini ‏@PromiscuousJawa · 35m35 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV talks are already ongoing man. Daily.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 34m34 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa They are not & I'm not going to argue with you. I spoke with several contracts in the past week & NOTHING is happening.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 33m33 minutes ago
@PromiscuousJawa Yoda has joined the dark side.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 29m 29 minutes ago
If people are trying to tell you that Big 12 expansion is imminent be very leery.

 

[businesslawyer]

So the NCAA has nothing to do with the college championship, but it can dictate whether or not a conference wants to play an extra game?

Yes.

 

[HuskyJ]

CR is all about TV Contracts. The B1G is on the clock, if anyone gets the dominoes falling again it will be them. Who’s contract is up next after the B1G and when?

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@RmcccClayton Nobody in the AAC adds value to the Big 12. They don't even maintain value.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@RmcccClayton Oliver Luck has been clear about that. Bowlsby has been clear about that.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@RmcccClayton National reporters like @McMurphyESPN and @dennisdoddcbs have all said the same. Adding AAC schools will reduce B12 revenues.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@RmcccClayton It does not. The B12 contract specifically states that the payout remains the same regardless of # of members.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@RmcccClayton I do. I've talked to people at the Big 12, WVU, Fox & ESPN.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@RmcccClayton Stay at 10... keep the $100 million & add the additional $ from the CCG & divide it by 10 instead of 12.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
At the end of the day every scenario involving Big 12 expansion loses $ for the conf.

 

[Ha Who]

Why is his news always "next week?" and remind me, who says the Big 12 can't have a CCG if it wants to?

At least he doesn't say in 20 minutes

 

[Dooley]

I was thinking it might not be good news. The ACC gives the Big12 a reason not to expand and that leaves UConn still available.

I am thinking that the B12 could be a precedent setting conference for CCGs going forward. They can have a CCG with 10 and so others can argue that they can have a CCG with odd number teams (would apply to B1G and ACC if they added just UCONN). But who knows? My thinking would be a direct blow to the First Rule of CR: Everything CR MUST kick UCONN in the sack.

 

[Fishy]

No one is going to add a 15th football program.

 

[bobbyinaz]

Yes.

Actually, not anymore. Now that autonomy has passed the P5 can make this decision on their own without a full vote of NCAA members

 

[Dooley]

Matt Schonvisky ‏@MattSchonvisky 5m5 minutes ago
Reminder to nation @UConnHuskies is one of only NINE schools in nation to compete at highest level in football, bball & hockey #BleedBlue

Matt Schonvisky ‏@MattSchonvisky 53s54 seconds ago
Company UConn is in: Notre Dame, Boston College, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin & Minnesota

 

[Fishy]

We can put that on our tombstones.

I don't know how he defines the 'highest level' in football and basketball, but given the state of the American, his definition will not be adopted by the masses.