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CL82 said:
The argument in favor of the inclusion of the big east is that prior to last year 50% of the last decade's men's basketball national champions were from the Big East. That makes a pretty good argument for including Connecticut and a reasonably decent one for including Villanova.
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Yes, but if the Power conferences can put the Big East out of business (athletically) then they wouldn't have to worry about Connecticut or Villanova winning anything meaningful ever again. The only schools that could potentially win a National Championship, and all the $$$$ that come with it would be schools from a power conference (whether that be 2, 3 or 4 conferences) A split is coming, it's just a matter of when and where the dividing line is.
 
ZooCougar said:
I think that assumption is very naive and corralling more money matters substantially more than any legitimacy.
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Perhaps, but as a marketing point it's reasonably effective. I think our best shot at being in a "power conference" is if there is a money grab for the March madness profits. That's probably where being a basketball brand yields the most value. I also think that creates a circumstance with the highest likelihood of discarding schools whose claim on being in a power conference is historical or merely geographical.
 
An argument can easily be made that without a hall of fame coach (Jay Wright), Nova isn't close to a program that can impact the tournament.

Regardless, the P schools aren't going to leave the NCAA, they're just going to continue to further marginalize every at a G level.
 
ZooCougar said:
Why would they bother if including the Big East and PAC 12? Why share?
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Because there are enough quality teams outside the P4 that their champion could not make the claim of being the best. The regular season would mean nothing because the majority of teams would make their “tournament”. Their “tournament” would be not much more than current conference tournaments. And the loss of David vs Goliath Cinderellas would reduce casual interest.
 
NH Husky said:
Because there are enough quality teams outside the P4 that their champion could not make the claim of being the best. The regular season would mean nothing because the majority of teams would make their “tournament”. Their “tournament” would be not much more than current conference tournaments. And the loss of David vs Goliath Cinderellas would reduce casual interest.
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I honestly don’t think they care. They see the tournament as a welfare program where one bid leagues take lucrative spots away from .500 P4 programs.

The idea that the P4 will play nice and include the Big East if they go that route is pure naïveté.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
An argument can easily be made that without a hall of fame coach (Jay Wright), Nova isn't close to a program that can impact the tournament.

Regardless, the P schools aren't going to leave the NCAA, they're just going to continue to further marginalize every at a G level.
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The threat of leaving will likely allow them to get most of what they want without the hassle, forming a new association. The only time that changes is if they decide they don't want to fund D2 and D3 athletics.
 
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JwittersPAC said:
I just do not see basketball spinning off. There are many more colleges that are competitive in basketball than football. I would think congress and courts would get involved if a significant number of teams did not have access to the basketball tournament. Football particularly for a chance at a national championship has always been limited to perhaps 20 schools. True before NIL and true after.
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Congress isn't stepping in to protect the small schools. They definitely aren't stepping into protecting the non-public schools. Washington's congressional delegation isn't protecting Gonzaga's rights if it runs counter to UW's interests. Nebraska's legislature isn't looking out for Creighton at Nebraska's expense, Marquette vs Wisconsin, Villanova vs. Penn State, etc.

If the P4 chooses to break away, they'll do it and they'll end up controlling the vast majority of the money. Instead right now they're avoiding the headache by pushing for tournament expansion that will heavily favor them. I wouldn't be shocked if the next salvo is a structure to the units that favors the larger conferences (or potentially the later rounds, where the P4 schools would gain more than the smaller schools who benefit more from the early round upsets).
 
ScottVib said:
Congress isn't stepping in to protect the small schools. They definitely aren't stepping into protecting the non-public schools. Washington's congressional delegation isn't protecting Gonzaga's rights if it runs counter to UW's interests. Nebraska's legislature isn't looking out for Creighton at Nebraska's expense, Marquette vs Wisconsin, Villanova vs. Penn State, etc.

If the P4 chooses to break away, they'll do it and they'll end up controlling the vast majority of the money. Instead right now they're avoiding the headache by pushing for tournament expansion that will heavily favor them. I wouldn't be shocked if the next salvo is a structure to the units that favors the larger conferences (or potentially the later rounds, where the P4 schools would gain more than the smaller schools who benefit more from the early round upsets).
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I disagree with you. Using your Washington example, one of the Senators, Patty Murray is a graduate of Washington St. So, she will be OK with Washington St. being excluded? What about Oregon? Oregon St.'s enrollment is 50% larger than Oregon's. And, in a state like Pennsylvania, you are going to exclude Temple, St. Joe's, Penn, Villanova, Drexel, Bucknell, Duquesne, LaSalle, Lafayette, Lehigh, Robert Morris? Or are New York senators going to help Syracuse over SUNY Buffalo, SUNY Albany, SUNY Binghamton, Niagara, Canisius, LeMoyne, Colgate, Columbia, St. John's, Marist, Siena, St. Bonaventure, Hofstra, SUNY Stony Brook, Wagner, West Point, Fordham, Manhattan, Wagner, Iona,... ? In California, there are 22 basketball schools not in the P4 vs 4 schools in the P4. In Illinois, there are 11 basketball schools not in the P4 and 2 that are in the P4. In SEC country, the non P4 schools overwhelms the number of P4 schools.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
The thing is with quite a few of these schools (especially those who regularly fill 80k, 90k, 100k seat stadiums), the bulk of their fanbases are non-alumni with attachments to the schools due to location.
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So true. The elite teams in FBS are basically NFL franchises with all local people rooting for the home team.
 
CL82 said:
I'm not sure that that is an accurate statement. Regardless, the reason not to take a position is because taking either position alienates a portion of his constituency, but taking no position does not.
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Totally accurate. Look at a state like California. There are 22 non P4 schools and 4 P4 schools that play Division 1 basketball. Think of all of the Cal States like Fresno St., Long Beach St., Fullerton,... and University of California schools like UCSB, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, UC Davis,... Then there are state schools like Cal Poly, San Diego St., San Jose St.,... Never mind private schools like Pepperdine, St. Mary's, Pacific, Loyola Marymount, San Diego, Santa Clara,...
 
UConnJim said:
Totally accurate. Look at a state like California. There are 22 non P4 schools and 4 P4 schools that play Division 1 basketball. Think of all of the Cal States like Fresno St., Long Beach St., Fullerton,... and University of California schools like UCSB, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, UC Davis,... Then there are state schools like Cal Poly, San Diego St., San Jose St.,... Never mind private schools like Pepperdine, St. Mary's, Pacific, Loyola Marymount, San Diego, Santa Clara,...
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That would be total numbers of schools, total numbers of alumni, right?
 
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CL82 said:
That would be total numbers of schools, total numbers of alumni, right?
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Alumni and students. You must not realize how big the colleges are in California. Yes, USC, UCLA, and Berkley each have over 45k students, but UCSD, Fullerton, Long Beach, Davis, SD State, Northridge, Irvine, San Jose St. each have over 35k students. I would estimate there are 3x to 4x the students at non P4 than P4 schools.
 
First the number of constituents that think their state's senators should be considering the college basketball tournament at all is fairly small. Among those college basketball fans how many do you think support the major school in their state and how many support the umpteen smaller schools? Thinking about Connecticut; how many men's basketball fans who went to CCSU grew up fans of and still support UConn, even above and ahead of the Blue Devils (If Blumenthal was faced with protecting Yale's Division 1 basketball future (he's an alum of Yale Law) or UConn's, which way is he going to lean)?

The key point student/academic population does not equal the athletic fan base or people who care about their school's access to a tournament and even the alums there may in fact be fans of the bigger schools.

You're aggregating a number of schools who draw a few hundred to maybe a thousand fans a game.... there is no political motivation or will-power among Congress for a constituency that small, particularly at the expense of a constituency with 5-10x the support. Using your example Northridge draws 1000 fans a game. UCLA draws 7000.
 
jostar1 said:
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D'Amelio loves and supports UConn, but for him to say that we shouldn't try for the ACC or the Big12 is mind boggling. Notre Dame can thrive as an independent in football cuz they are Notre Dame, but to say we can also thrive in a similar situation is to be dissociated with the financial reality of modern day college sports. That he even thought to mention the Big 10 makes me think his meal yesterday was solely drinking Wild Turkey instead of eating stuffed turkey. That said, I like his idea of:

"If we want to compete nationally in football as an independent the State of Connecticut must make a real commitment to offset the expenses, including facilities and long term planning, and I believe it is imperative that we build a true on campus football stadium in Storrs."

The stadium would be great for a long term plan, but we have to invest now for staff and talent. We just lost our coach (and may lose more coaches), we're about to lose many of our best offensive weapons, and our defense, which is already weak, is about to get even weaker. Whoever AD Benedict brings in will need even more financial support than what that last gutless weasel had (can ya tell I'm still pissed how he left?), cuz right now we're much closer to being UMass/ESPN Bottom 10 again than a Top 25 G6 team.
 
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KryHavok said:
D'Amelio loves and supports UConn, but for him to say that we shouldn't try for the ACC or the Big12 is mind boggling. Notre Dame can thrive as an independent in football cuz they are Notre Dame, but to say we can also thrive in a similar situation is to be dissociated with the financial reality of modern day college sports. That he even thought to mention the Big 10 makes me think his meal yesterday was solely drinking Wild Turkey instead of eating stuffed turkey. That said, I like his idea of:

"If we want to compete nationally in football as an independent the State of Connecticut must make a real commitment to offset the expenses, including facilities and long term planning, and I believe it is imperative that we build a true on campus football stadium in Storrs."

The stadium would be great for a long term plan, but we have to invest now for staff and talent. We just lost our coach (and may lose more coaches), we're about to lose many of our best offensive weapons, and our defense, which is already weak, is about to get even weaker. Whoever AD Benedict brings in will need even more financial support than what that last gutless weasel had (can ya tell I'm still pissed how he left?), cuz right now we're much closer to being UMass/ESPN Bottom 10 again than a Top 25 G6 team.
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Benedict needs to get the stakeholders on the same page.
 
buddy said:
The one who really should take notice is the ACC leadership. UConn's best fit is the ACC. They are just so dumb.
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i think it probable the Big 12 is not really serious because; 1. either the ACC doen’t believe they're serious about adding us 2. The ACC is resigned to their destruction and really doesn’t care anymore.
Because if your a business the last thing you want is a competitor in your territory.and the ACC doesn’t appear a bit concerned about us joining the Big 12.
The ship may have sailed.
 
jostar1 said:
Benedict needs to get the stakeholders on the same page.
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I agree but I thought Marc was previously supportive of the prospect of a B12 move. When Zanetto said it was imminent last time, didn’t Marc post an enthusiastic reaction to it?
So the purpose of this may be to just encourage the fan base to accept and embrace indy because he knows there’s absolutely no prospect of a conference move on the horizon. In which case, Benedict may well be on the same page with that message.
 
D’Amelio doesn’t have a firm grasp of the ins and outs of realignment, the portal, coaching carousel etc. He’s a great advocate and fan but it is only maniacs like us on this board that learn all this stuff. There’s tremendous knowledge of the details of college sports gained by reading a good message board all day long.
 
Hoophound said:
D’Amelio doesn’t have a firm grasp of the ins and outs of realignment, the portal, coaching carousel etc. He’s a great advocate and fan but it is only maniacs like us on this board that learn all this stuff. There’s tremendous knowledge of the details of college sports gained by reading a good message board all day long.
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Marc is an expert of how to monetize his family life style like the Kardashians. Definitely everyone could get lots of tips from him.
 
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Kowalski said:
I agree but I thought Marc was previously supportive of the prospect of a B12 move. When Zanetto said it was imminent last time, didn’t Marc post an enthusiastic reaction to it?
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saying GIF

Zanetto!​
 
Hoophound said:
Yes. That’s what he’s an expert in. However, if you read his commentary on coaches, conference affiliation etc, he has no idea.
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He's in favor of an on campus football stadium in Storrs. I'm not sure how relevant that is to this conversation, but I noticed it online and this was the first place. I had an opportunity to post it.
 
He makes a great point about how bad some old BE teams have gotten in BB since joining the ACC. Not just BC. Pitt, Miami, Louisville are very competitive in football, not consistently good in bball (and Pitt stinks). BC, Cuse, VT are what exactly? UConn will gladly and necessarily take the invite if it comes, but should take note of the above and learn something.
 
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