CL82
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Big mistake to leave your footprint. Not sure that anyone but Texas would be worth it.
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Especially since there is no need to balance divisions?
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Already left it when BC was picked up years back...and then Cuse...
I guess they could add Cincinnati for the Ohio in-state fee add.
But I like Houston's energy, ambition, and possible growth potential.
WVU would be good for rivalry games with Pitt, VT...but really adds little draw for a network
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Pretty sure it goes by dma not by geography,
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The BTN and SECN get paid different subscriber amounts for "in market" and "out of market" subscribers. Big Ten states are considered "market" except for New York (NYC is "market" but not upstate). Maryland's footprint includes a small strip od Northern Virginia and DC.
The SECN has all of Texas in their defined footprint
Adding Houston over WVU would be a monetary plus.
In expanding its scholastic footprint, the Big Ten also increased the value of the BTN's New York and D.C. subscribers. According to SNL Kagan data, cable operators pay an estimated "in-market" rate of $1 per sub per month, more than double the $0.44 fees charged outside the conference's home markets.
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Yep, so DMA, right? Cinci would draw the Cinci DMA not all of Ohio. That's why Rutgers got the Big 10 the NYC DMA not just NJ.
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He knows that he's just trolling.
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All of Texas is SEC "in market"....All of Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina....
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That's not my understanding of how it works. Here's a link to the DMA's.
From an athletic standpoint, football, basketball, footprint they fit. Any Academic idea went out the window. Which school was put on probation by the accreditation body for academic problems, Louisville, West Virginia, or North Carolina?. We all know who and that ends any resemblance of the ACC being concerned about academics.
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Who said anything about academics? What does WV add in terms of revenue to justify everyone getting a smaller piece of pie?
They are of decent quality so they add _some_ value in terms of improved matchups. But they bring almost nothing in terms of TV as their 'best' markets Pittsburgh (Pitt) and DC (UVa) are already covered.
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SEC Network landed its biggest fish Friday, announcing a long-term carriage deal with the country's biggest distributor. Comcast will carry the channel at its Aug. 14 launch on its expanded basic tier within SEC territory and digital basic outside of it. Sources say the channel's rate card is at $1.40 per subscriber per month within the SEC's 11-state footprint and $0.25 per month outside of it. (FOXSPORTS.com, 7/17).
WVU is not desirable at all to the ACC or anyone really. Tiny state with very low aging population that is actually decreasing:
https://blog.stewart.com/stewart/2018/12/21/u-s-state-population-changes-2017-to-2018/
They were ranked #51 out of 51 in population growth. Most city DMAs are bigger than the entire state population of West Virginia. The only plus for them is geography, but as everyone knows that's pretty much out the window in conference realignment. They're fine in the Big 12 because they don't have a network.
https://blog.stewart.com/stewart/2018/12/21/u-s-state-population-changes-2017-to-2018/
They were ranked #51 out of 51 in population growth. Most city DMAs are bigger than the entire state population of West Virginia. The only plus for them is geography, but as everyone knows that's pretty much out the window in conference realignment. They're fine in the Big 12 because they don't have a network.
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That’s correct. You are just leaving off the part where the Presidents and media partner agreements will be made with two eyes on the Irish to give a nod of approval.
They have needs. The ACC has needs. Those needs won’t disappear in 2037. And the fact is the Irish will have more options than we will. Traditional football powers with eyeballs aren’t exactly knocking a path to our door.
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Just got off the phone with BTM.
I will tweet later this evening his thoughts on the new Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren and PAC 12 developments with PAC NewCo.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 49m49 minutes ago
BTM
“Kevin Warren wasn’t a name anyone had on the tips of their lips through this process. The guy is all class and will probably be in the new seat for many years to come.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 47m47 minutes ago
BTM
“Warren has negotiated contracts as Viking’s COO in all kinds of different business spheres. Warren also knows marketing and markets in selling sports licenses.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 44m44 minutes ago
BTM
“Perception inside Big Ten of whom I spoken with since yesterday is the selection of Warren really helps with the transition of passing Delany’s torch to Warren who is believed to be perfect guy in working with an established B1G staff in Chicago.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 40m40 minutes ago
BTM
“Any COO of an NFL franchise as the requisite experience in managing relationships with Media Corporations. Warren has had to deal with FOX Sports over his career with the Minnesota Vikings”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 34m34 minutes ago
BTM
“Big Ten’s perception, of those who’ve I talked with in regards to PAC 12’s initial Rain Group’s list of offers in Investment Firms investing into PAC NewCo, is its pretty dam ugly for PAC.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 31m31 minutes ago
BTM
“Many believe, of course this is only the perception of those on the outside (B1G), the PAC will kick the issue down the road some and not vote for an investment offer in June as scheduled”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 27m27 minutes ago
BTM
“Dam ugly is the phrased used in describing to me the offers PAC received from the Rain Group who search for investment offers. I presumed the “ugly” adjective has to do with high equity margin, percentage needed for PAC to secure any of the deals, but I’m not sure.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 24m24 minutes ago
BTM
“Desperation in PAC might actually lead to some disunity which I never thought was in play before this event. But some in PAC may be desperate enough to lurch for and support internally some of these painful Investment offers.”
Just got off the phone with BTM.
I will tweet later this evening his thoughts on the new Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren and PAC 12 developments with PAC NewCo.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 49m49 minutes ago
BTM
“Kevin Warren wasn’t a name anyone had on the tips of their lips through this process. The guy is all class and will probably be in the new seat for many years to come.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 47m47 minutes ago
BTM
“Warren has negotiated contracts as Viking’s COO in all kinds of different business spheres. Warren also knows marketing and markets in selling sports licenses.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 44m44 minutes ago
BTM
“Perception inside Big Ten of whom I spoken with since yesterday is the selection of Warren really helps with the transition of passing Delany’s torch to Warren who is believed to be perfect guy in working with an established B1G staff in Chicago.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 40m40 minutes ago
BTM
“Any COO of an NFL franchise as the requisite experience in managing relationships with Media Corporations. Warren has had to deal with FOX Sports over his career with the Minnesota Vikings”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 34m34 minutes ago
BTM
“Big Ten’s perception, of those who’ve I talked with in regards to PAC 12’s initial Rain Group’s list of offers in Investment Firms investing into PAC NewCo, is its pretty dam ugly for PAC.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 31m31 minutes ago
BTM
“Many believe, of course this is only the perception of those on the outside (B1G), the PAC will kick the issue down the road some and not vote for an investment offer in June as scheduled”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 27m27 minutes ago
BTM
“Dam ugly is the phrased used in describing to me the offers PAC received from the Rain Group who search for investment offers. I presumed the “ugly” adjective has to do with high equity margin, percentage needed for PAC to secure any of the deals, but I’m not sure.”
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 24m24 minutes ago
BTM
“Desperation in PAC might actually lead to some disunity which I never thought was in play before this event. But some in PAC may be desperate enough to lurch for and support internally some of these painful Investment offers.”
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“Perception inside Big Ten of whom I spoken with since yesterday is the selection of Warren really helps with the transition of passing Delany’s torch to Warren"
Well you can't argue with the logic of that.
Well you can't argue with the logic of that.
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Flug is a knob.
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Think bigger.
USC, UCLA, Stanford and Cal bolt to the Big Ten. They get east coast exposure they desperately crave and a fat paycheck. The Big Ten gets richer, 4 AAU universities, and the fertile recruiting grounds of California, while becoming a nationwide super conference.
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire 22m22 minutes ago
It’s being reported tonight by SBJ that PAC won’t vote on any Investment offers in June as was planned but decision will be made in months. It sounds like PAC will take one of these deals with a huge equity cost associated with it.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 20m20 minutes ago
I just hope USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington & Oregon are making the right decision.
To give up so much equity for the long term is really wagering heavily on your 2024 Total Media package deal. PAC must have some new Media Comp telling them they will be involved in PAC content.
@Expansion_Crush 18m18 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire @theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub
They're overreacting. They're looking for a short term cash infusion. Scott has let the conference down
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 1m1 minute ago
I agree. There are 2 things we don’t know.
1) Does PAC knowingly have ace up their sleeve in 2024 with a new media partner (Amazon for example)
2) Pressure of many PAC schools to obtain cash right now to fund much needed projects (facility)..etc..debt payment..etc.
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I imagine they have bids worth $750 million. For 90% of their media rights for 50 years or so (hyperbole stain).
I like Ourand. But if he is savvy he hides it under being a layer of being a mouthpiece of anon leaks.
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
@MarkKochenderfe @theDudeofWV @Expansion_Crush @NebGradDubDub
SBJ is saying there have been multiple of offers with valuation set at 5 billion, 750 million or more in upfront money for 15% equity at stake.
15% bleeping equity!?!?
Some Tech Companies are in on the bidding.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
This deal(Bridge Loan/PAC next Media deal 2024)according to last night’s SBJ article..
“A $750 million investment distributed evenly over five years would represent $12.5 million more per school. The existing $30 million plus the new $12.5 million would add up to $42.5 million.”
Mark Kochenderfer @MarkKochenderfe 6h6 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire @Expansion_Crush and 2 others
It is just as desperate as it appeared before we had any numbers. The third thing we don’t know is the degree of internal disunity. How concerned are the weaker teams have the stronger brands leaving?
Mark Kochenderfer @MarkKochenderfe 6h6 hours ago
The other thing that is interesting is the idea of some Amazon or such partnering with the pac 12. I find it hard to believe. Amazon doesn’t circumvent economic fundamentals. The problem with the pac 12 is too few watch their product.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
I agree Amazon doesn’t circumvent economic fundamentals however their leadership is full of PAC Alumni.
It might not be Amazon...maybe Facebook?
If PAC schools do sign an Investment deal the door shuts on any PAC/Big 12 future involvement in mergers or poaching.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
BTM told you the offers were ugly. Hmm... not so ugly.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
BTM was told vote would be pushed backed beyond June and offers were “dam ugly”.
Also was told PAC schools may be desperate enough to take it..if you read the tweets.
Giving 15% equity is something that people could consider ugly...but sure sounds like it’s going to get done.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
We both know Christopher there is something going on behind the doors of PAC....they must have received assurances from some new Media player in sports to say no to ESPN on extended deal and to give up 15% equity on a loan bridge.
Something is going on.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire
Or Larry Scott wants to save his ass. $750m sounds impressive but whats the cost? How is to be paid? There’s a lot trending against the Pac 12 that makes me wonder about the terms. I would also like to know if members have to approve it or if their respective boards.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Good questions.
Mark Kochenderfer @MarkKochenderfe 2h2 hours ago
The whole thing doesn’t add up unless there is truly a white knight we don’t know about. Otherwise the loan is just a bridge to nowhere. I guess the other possibility is Larry Scott is just BSing to keep the job. The PAC schools leadership are definitely most gullible of P5
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
$750 is impressive. I wonder what the terms are... for the Big 12’s sake I hope the devil is in the details. Are the 14 members getting a one time influx of $53M or is it spread out. What’s the opportunity cost of those dollars?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
I have SBJ. It only says it could be more than 750 million..and 15% equity number is used in the article but it’s not conclusive. Also stated multiple Tech companies are involved in the bidding.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
I can check with DAZN. Not sure they will answer. They are desperate to get into the market. But $750M over 10 years is peanuts. So the details are important.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Despite what the Big 12 says it needs to expand its footprint. The best way to do that is at the expense of the Pac 12. If it can’t then its a toss up.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Yes, Big 12 needs to expand its footprint. PAC is too unified.
I highly doubt ESPN would support Big 12 expansion into Florida (UCF/USF) in 2025.
Big 12’s future is on the knives edge.
Archetype Gaming @esportsTN 2h2 hours ago
So cincy and Memphis?
SBJ is saying there have been multiple of offers with valuation set at 5 billion, 750 million or more in upfront money for 15% equity at stake.
15% bleeping equity!?!?
Some Tech Companies are in on the bidding.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
This deal(Bridge Loan/PAC next Media deal 2024)according to last night’s SBJ article..
“A $750 million investment distributed evenly over five years would represent $12.5 million more per school. The existing $30 million plus the new $12.5 million would add up to $42.5 million.”
Mark Kochenderfer @MarkKochenderfe 6h6 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire @Expansion_Crush and 2 others
It is just as desperate as it appeared before we had any numbers. The third thing we don’t know is the degree of internal disunity. How concerned are the weaker teams have the stronger brands leaving?
Mark Kochenderfer @MarkKochenderfe 6h6 hours ago
The other thing that is interesting is the idea of some Amazon or such partnering with the pac 12. I find it hard to believe. Amazon doesn’t circumvent economic fundamentals. The problem with the pac 12 is too few watch their product.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
I agree Amazon doesn’t circumvent economic fundamentals however their leadership is full of PAC Alumni.
It might not be Amazon...maybe Facebook?
If PAC schools do sign an Investment deal the door shuts on any PAC/Big 12 future involvement in mergers or poaching.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
BTM told you the offers were ugly. Hmm... not so ugly.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
BTM was told vote would be pushed backed beyond June and offers were “dam ugly”.
Also was told PAC schools may be desperate enough to take it..if you read the tweets.
Giving 15% equity is something that people could consider ugly...but sure sounds like it’s going to get done.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
We both know Christopher there is something going on behind the doors of PAC....they must have received assurances from some new Media player in sports to say no to ESPN on extended deal and to give up 15% equity on a loan bridge.
Something is going on.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire
Or Larry Scott wants to save his ass. $750m sounds impressive but whats the cost? How is to be paid? There’s a lot trending against the Pac 12 that makes me wonder about the terms. I would also like to know if members have to approve it or if their respective boards.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Good questions.
Mark Kochenderfer @MarkKochenderfe 2h2 hours ago
The whole thing doesn’t add up unless there is truly a white knight we don’t know about. Otherwise the loan is just a bridge to nowhere. I guess the other possibility is Larry Scott is just BSing to keep the job. The PAC schools leadership are definitely most gullible of P5
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
$750 is impressive. I wonder what the terms are... for the Big 12’s sake I hope the devil is in the details. Are the 14 members getting a one time influx of $53M or is it spread out. What’s the opportunity cost of those dollars?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
I have SBJ. It only says it could be more than 750 million..and 15% equity number is used in the article but it’s not conclusive. Also stated multiple Tech companies are involved in the bidding.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
I can check with DAZN. Not sure they will answer. They are desperate to get into the market. But $750M over 10 years is peanuts. So the details are important.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Despite what the Big 12 says it needs to expand its footprint. The best way to do that is at the expense of the Pac 12. If it can’t then its a toss up.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Yes, Big 12 needs to expand its footprint. PAC is too unified.
I highly doubt ESPN would support Big 12 expansion into Florida (UCF/USF) in 2025.
Big 12’s future is on the knives edge.
Archetype Gaming @esportsTN 2h2 hours ago
So cincy and Memphis?
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