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I know that this is not exactly a news flash, but he has little clue about what ND wants or has decided. (Yeah, I know...I could have stopped at the word "clue").
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I know that this is not exactly a news flash, but he has little clue about what ND wants or has decided. (Yeah, I know...I could have stopped at the word "clue").
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Only you speak for Notre Dame.
This is officially the worst thread in Internet history.
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Yeah, somehow BC is unacceptable to a conference that has Purdue, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois and now Rutgers.
And that is the difference between the ACC and the B1G. The B1G focuses on large, flagship universities that generate a lot of money from athletics and academic. No one is sure what metrics the ACC uses to add new members. Northwestern is the exception in the B1G; but, it is a massive, AAU research university, which BC is not, and are a founding member of the B1G in 1896 (there is a greater chance that the ACC kicks out Duke than the B1G kicking out Northwestern).
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Plleeeeeeassssse please please don't call us "Boston" - we hate it
But appreciate the facts!
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On B1G metrics BC loses on every parameter compared to UConn. State flagship, market size (UConn draws as much in NYC as BC does in Boston; UConn is centrally located in the NY-New England region where the B1G lacks a presence), research-level academics, athletic success and facilities, fanbase. BC is a nice undergraduate college in a major city. It got lucky to get into the ACC where the other schools are now subsidizing it.
The idea that Notre Dame will compromise its own interests to negotiate on behalf of BC for a move from ACC to B1G (in place of, e.g., improving its own situation by reducing the length and amount of the buy-in) when the ACC is a great fit for BC, flies in the face of both Notre Dame's history and common sense.
The idea that Notre Dame will compromise its own interests to negotiate on behalf of BC for a move from ACC to B1G (in place of, e.g., improving its own situation by reducing the length and amount of the buy-in) when the ACC is a great fit for BC, flies in the face of both Notre Dame's history and common sense.
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The BTN is already on in Boston. It's on my normal package on Fios. BC to the Big Ten is absurd.
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Nor is Florida State by that measure.
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This is pure homerism.
Your BIG Metrics that BC "loses" to UConn on:
- State Flagship: no evidence this is a metric. Again, Northwestern, MSU, Purdue and ND in this example. Theoretical advantage to UConn.
- Market Size: UConn barely adds anything to NYC when compared to what BIG already has with Rutgers, UM, OSU, Penn State (and theoretically ND). UConn adds an extra 2% compared to what BIG already has in NYC. It's redundant. UConn only really "adds" CT. BC definitely adds Boston, likely adds all of Massachusetts, and possibly adds NH, VT, ME and RI to automatic BTN carriage. Clear advantage to BC.
- Geographic Presence: 100% wrong. If the BIG adds UConn they would be adding 1 of the 2 New England P5 teams. That's a split of New England. If the BIG adds BC -- and UConn gets passed over by the ACC, which is very possible -- the BIG adds ALL OF NEW ENGLAND. They would be the only major college football team in New England. Clear advantage to BC.
- Athletic Success: BC wins football and hockey. UConn wins basketball. The other sports are a wash. Advantage to BC.
- Facilities: BC just pledged $200 million to facilities. If this really became a debate you'd see BC pump out renderings and make unequivocal BC's committment to athletics at the highest level. Also, BC with facilities on campus...in the city of Boston, where all of the other BIG schools have large alumni networks that would love to go to games more often. Advantage BC.
- Fanbase: I don't know what you're basing this on. In football BC (outside of really rare and random 2-win seasons) draws more fans to football games, draws better TV ratings, and commands more national attention. You have basketball. I guess you can hope they care about basketball fanbase. Advantage BC.
BC is not "a nice undergraduate college in a major city." Boston College is an elite university and a nationwide brand name.
As for Notre Dame, conference politics is a very real consideration. It's not unreasonable that if an independent minded and proud university like Notre Dame was to join the BIG they wouldn't want to be the odd-ball small, private, Catholic school that gets bullied on conference issues. It's not unreasonable that they would insist on a like-minded partner institution to increase their clout in their new home.
Just my $0.02.
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If BC (who hasn't won a conference game in a major sport in more than a calendar year) effectively gets a promotion to the Big 10, it will just highlight the extent to which everyone has lost their mind.
BC sucks ass. It doesn't matter what conference you're in if you're just gonna lose every single game for years on end. UConn fans want an invite to elevate our level of competition and to have games against more exciting opponents. The money is a nice bonus but it's just that, a bonus.
The B1G made its play for a market addition with no athletic presence to speak of, and they went with Rutgers. Adding one crap program doesn't dilute the competition too much, but I don't see them adding another one.
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Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 3h3 hours ago
A raid of the ACC is not imminent.
KilroyFSU @KilroyFSU 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV Doubt anybody really wants to test the validity of the GoR in court, tbh.
Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 3h3 hours ago
@KilroyFSU that and I don't think UVA is interested in moving. I really don't.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
GoR are complicated legal instruments that are really simple in affect. The ACC has a GoR. 1/3
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
I have questions about FSU's signature on the GoR. The process the ACC used to secure FSU may have been illegal. 2/3
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
But FSU seems to be the only ACC member who has any hope of challenging the GoR in court. 3/3
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
As far as I know FSU will not challenge the GoR. They would listen to what the B12 has to say if a B12N is a certainty.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
Talk is the cheapest commodity in sports. Listening guarantees nothing. Nor should anyone jump to any conclusion.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
This is just my opinion but FSU is the key to ACC stability. All of the other schools would be perfectly happy to camp in the ACC.
A raid of the ACC is not imminent.
KilroyFSU @KilroyFSU 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV Doubt anybody really wants to test the validity of the GoR in court, tbh.
Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 3h3 hours ago
@KilroyFSU that and I don't think UVA is interested in moving. I really don't.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
GoR are complicated legal instruments that are really simple in affect. The ACC has a GoR. 1/3
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
I have questions about FSU's signature on the GoR. The process the ACC used to secure FSU may have been illegal. 2/3
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
But FSU seems to be the only ACC member who has any hope of challenging the GoR in court. 3/3
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
As far as I know FSU will not challenge the GoR. They would listen to what the B12 has to say if a B12N is a certainty.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
Talk is the cheapest commodity in sports. Listening guarantees nothing. Nor should anyone jump to any conclusion.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV Protected Tweets 2h2 hours ago
This is just my opinion but FSU is the key to ACC stability. All of the other schools would be perfectly happy to camp in the ACC.
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In this science fiction world where the B1G would consider adding another dumpster fire athletic program with no fans, there is a 0 percent chance the ACC passes on UConn again. They've learned their lesson, and they'd be thanking their lucky stars to replace BC with UConn.
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Odd. Must be back on his meds.
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I would think that the Boston market would be of interest to the Big12. I mean "Professional Bull Riding" outdrew BC's basketball team. 
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Am I and most of the board here a fan of UConn? Yes. Do most UConn fans have major issues with BC with respect to how DeFilippo & co. treated your conference partner of 20 some odd years? Yes. Does that make us act as 'homers,' which from you is the the pot calling the kettle black, yes and proud of it. That said, at UConn fans will at least consider some of the facts unlike BC fans who still plant their flag on Doug Flutie's in 1984 and BC's two losses in the ACC championship championship game in '07 & '08 as somehow equaling football 'greatness' while UConn's loss in the BCS First Bowl in '11 as meaningless.
Now, for some of your points...
Flagship - I have said it before, Flagship is huge when it comes to potential sports and academic revenue and the B1G's moves have clearly highlighted this fact especially on today's TV network environment. It was not an issue when the B1G first formed in 1896, which is when Northwestern and Purdue helped create the conference. Michigan St joined much later in 1950, back when there were only 3 TV networks; but, I think most can agree that they are as close to being flagship status as one can get similar to Texas A&M, Florida St, and UCLA (Cal is actually the California flagship). Since adding Michigan State in 1950, the next 4 schools added to the B1G have all been flagships - Penn St in '90, Nebraska in '11, and Maryland and Rutgers in '14. And as noted before, the B1G is seen as a lock to be a P4 conference, the ACC and its two flagships are not.
Market - I'll give you that BC has a strong presence in RI, NH and ME, somewhat even stronger that within I-495 itself because of the number of transplants Boston draws in. So, that gives BC control of the 52nd largest market in Providence, 77th largest market in Portland ME, and 93rd in Burlington VT while Manchester NH is part of the Boston market. UConn owns the Hartford/New Haven market, which is the 30th largest in the US. Oh, by the way, BC does not own all of Mass. Western Mass has UMass and UConn also has a strong presence due to the natural link between Springfield and Hartford. As for NYC, Long Island, downstate NY (Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, etc. counties), Fairfield County, NYC proper and North Jersey each have about 20% of the TV market. Rutgers is the lead team in North Jersey and that is it. That is why if the B1G or any other conference wants to control NYC, it will need more than 1 team. And UConn has a presence there, just watch clips from UConn's run in the NCAA games at MSG in '14. Also, if UConn has no presence in NYC and Boston, then how come they are usually included in the local 6 PM news broadcast in both cities as I saw them last night on ABC 7 last night and few weeks back, a friend who lives along I-495 noted that they were on ABC 5 in Boston? Lastly, I agree that ND si a sepertae animal.
Success - See above, UConn owns basketball while we can debate as noted above if UConn's BCS game has equal or less wight that Doug Flutie and BC's two ACC championship games until the end of time.
Facilities - UConn has a basketball and indoor football practice facilities. BC has proposed an indoor football practice facility. There is a big difference between having an existing facility than proposing a facility that does not have funding nor has it been approved by the powers that be in Boston and Newton yet (good luck with that by the way). Oh, UConn did not seem to have a problem drawing in Michigan alumni for their home game at the Rent a few years back while BC had to play an away game at Fenway against ND. Clear advantage - UConn.
Finally, Boston is a great college city, much better than Storrs; but, that does mean that BC has to share the spotlight with the Red Sox, Pats, Celtics, Bruins, etc. BC is also a very good university and has a national brand, just like UConn does. But, does BC fit with the B1G? Note sure. For example, every B1G member has a medical school (Indiana/Purdue own a joint school whereas Michigan St just opened one a few years back) and BC does not. Also, many of the B1G schools are solid in engineering, i.e. the 'E' in STEM. BC does not and in fact resemble more of an elite liberal arts school. That's a big issue when it comes to research dollars, something that the B1G cares about.
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No, I don't. I only speak for me.
But, he doesn't know anything more than you, I or anyone else.
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Wait a second. Our BCU friend says they have an advantage in athletic success, facilities and fanbase?
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Edit: just did a quick search. For their better record of "athletic success," BCU has a grand total of 5 national titles, all of them in men's hockey. A sport in which, what, 40 teams compete? Bravo. We have 21 national titles for those curious.
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Edit: just did a quick search. For their better record of "athletic success," BCU has a grand total of 5 national titles, all of them in men's hockey. A sport in which, what, 40 teams compete? Bravo. We have 21 national titles for those curious.
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The ONLY facility they have on us right now is ice hockey and that will disappear when Freitas is renovated!
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You mean their indoor football practice facil... Whoops. Sorry, I meant their basketball practice facil...
Oh that's right, Florida State just financed that for them.
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Exactly......By the time they get their football facility done...UConn will have renovated Burton/Schenkman. They have become the Seton Hall, DePaul of the ACC. Sucking the life blood from the schools that actually earn the ACC the $$.
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Lol, So BC has yet have any kind of presence in New England in the marquis sports, but it will, magically apparently, if it goes to the B1G? Um, sure. I guess that explains your attendance. It mean if you are New England's program, surely your basketball games and football games must be selling out, right?
The whole flagship/land grant thing has been repeated so often by conference and university presidents that it is kind of silly to say, "well that doesn't really matter." But I get that you are just trolling.
Hey BC looked after it's own interests, underhandedly, but what the heck it got you in the P5. Enjoy that. But you've stopped being relevant. So if the ACC folds or is dramatically weakened by defections, either of which is a possibility if the Big 12 gets a conference network, realize that you had a nice run while it lasted. By any reasonable standard, you aren't an attractive conference addition. It is what it is.
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My $0.02...The B1G would add Buffalo (read New York State) before they would add BC...large public flagship (as much as NY has), AAU, solid academics (ranked 41st on the Business First's rankings posted on the BY last week). But that’s not happening any time soon either IMO.
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I've got a few problems with your assessment
1) State flagship does matter. Flagships pump out the most research and get the most $ in grants, have med schools, large student bases, and storied history. BC has the history academically and athletically, but doesn't have nearly the same level of research as UConn or a medical school. Sure, there are hugely successful athletic programs that you mentioned who defy the criteria, but they're an aberration.
2) Football attendance, if adjusted to consider who you guys play on a weekly basis compared to us, is objectively embarrassing--any logical BC fan is willing to admit that. BC is known for having a lukewarm fan base. TV ratings are also obviously associated with conference affiliation and opponent--of course your TV ratings will trump ours when we've got a 12:00 slot on CBS Sports against UCF and you're playing FSU on a Friday night. On an equal playing field, it's hard to believe that BC would garner more interest on television over UConn. Also, your assertion that people in northern New England states give a **** about BC sports, or even people in Boston for that matter, is just as absurd as our argument that we're NYC's team (as a UConn fan, no one in NYC cares about us--I'll definitely concede that). BC's market is undoubtedly an advantage over UConn's, and if it were an advantage, it would be marginal. Our student and alumni base is much larger and we have the advantage of being the premier athletic program in our state, whereas you guys are behind a multitude of professional teams and are home to folks who are attending literally hundreds of colleges within Boston, thus not caring about BC athletics.
3) You mention that BC football is better than UConn, UConn basketball is better than BC, and BC is better in olympic sports (not sure where you derive that from). Let's look at this holistically. By what margin is BC football better than UConn? You can point to Doug Flutie and the Orange Bowl all you want, but BC's history as a football team is pretty pedestrian apart from Flutie and Matt Ryan. UConn is no football powerhouse--I'm not arguing that. However, your advantage there is marginal and rooted mostly in the fact that your program has the benefit of having competed at the FBS level for longer than we have. As for basketball, the advantage is clearly anything but marginal. Your basketball team is one of the worst p5 programs in decades and shows no signs of improving any time soon. We, on the other hand, are one of the ten best basketball programs in the country, and are obviously the best women's program. As for olympic sports, I won't pretend to know anything about BC's programs, but we've had a heck of a run in baseball developing MLB talent, have a great soccer team and field hockey is dominant. So, again, if we look at things holistically, rather than you being like, "oh, well we've got the advantage in 2 of 3 categories so advantage BC!" it's smarter to consider how wide the discrepancy is between the programs in each sport, something that you purposefully ignore in order to avoid having to confront how a power conference will be so insane as to willingly take on such a poor basketball program whose other athletic programs (aside from hockey) offer nothing of any exceptional value
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Michigan State is the "original" land-grant university, and it's huge. IU and Purdue jointly operate several campuses, and collectively, they're very huge.
p.s. Please "like" this post and get me off of "666".
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- Also would leave open option of scheduling a 10th "non-conference game" with a conference mate not on your schedule that year a la ACC
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MHver3 @MHver3 1h1 hour ago
OU would basically get UT and OKst every year. And WVU would basically get UC and Uconn. Not sure on the others
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MHver3 @MHver3 1h1 hour ago
Zipper divisions would include-per school-1 permanent cross divisional rivalry and 1 "semi-permanent"
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MHver3 @MHver3 1h1 hour ago
Rumor is that UT wants in the same division as OU to only play once a year but maximum $$ is in separate divisions.
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MHver3 @MHver3 1h1 hour ago
If four ACC additions happen later then they would readdress divisions. That's the proposal anyway.
- They want 9 conference games so you'd play as many conf schools as possible in a season.
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MHver3 @MHver3 2h2 hours ago
Possibility of OU/UT CCG matchup is most attractive for maximum $$
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MHver3 @MHver3 2h2 hours ago
UT, TT, KU, WVU, Baylor, and OKst in one and OU, Cincy, Kst, ISU, TCU, Uconn in the other.
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MHver3 @MHver3 2h2 hours ago
OU is proposing "zipper" divisions for a 12 team B12.
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- They want 9 conference games so you'd play as many conf schools as possible in a season.
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire 41m41 minutes ago
Now look at the disposable Income of the state of CT. Hell...go look at the disposable income of top cities in USA. Do you see a trend?
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire 43m43 minutes ago
Go ahead...look up disposable income by state. Where do you see New Jersey and Maryland? Go ahead..look it up. Very high.
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire 45m45 minutes ago
Of all the talk on metrics when it comes to Conference Expansion...almost everyone misses a crucial part of the metrics.. Disposable Income