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[Dooley]

Well, if they didn't, the wall would have only been about 30 feet long. Would have made for an odd shaped basketball court. I'm guessing it didn't have much to do with leaving room.

I'm referring more to what Rodney said during his tour than actual building construction.

 

[Ha Who]

Not realignment related, but good to see some back us

 

[Kolumbo]

Not realignment related, but good to see some back us

If the original premise is so ridiculous (non-athletes, mid-major), no amount of debate is going to change his mind. Better to save your time and move on, absolutely nothing to see there.

 

[CallMeBruce]

If the original premise is so ridiculous (non-athletes, mid-major), no amount of debate is going to change his mind. Better to save your time and move on, absolutely nothing to see there.

Exactly. As ridiculous as it is to say that UConn is a mid-major, that's still not as indefensible an opinion as thinking that Brown and Leo weren't/aren't great athletes. Brown in particular is legitimately in the conversation for best pure athlete in American sports history.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Exactly. As ridiculous as it is to say that UConn is a mid-major, that's still not as indefensible an opinion as thinking that Brown and Leo weren't/aren't great athletes. Brown in particular is legitimately in the conversation for best pure athlete in American sports history.

Not sure about Messi, though. The guy does not look like much physically; but the freakish way he can contort himself around the ball and how he can get the ball to dance is a work of art and/or magic. Maybe an artist or a Wizard instead of an athlete

 

[upstater]

Not sure about Messi, though. The guy does not look like much physically; but the freakish way he can contort himself around the ball and how he can get the ball to dance is a work of art and/or magic. Maybe an artist or a Wizard instead of an athlete

Incredible footwork and balance. Kinda like saying Mary Lou Retton wasn't an athlete.

His speed by the way is absolutely fine.

Soccer guys are actually world class top athletes. ESPN Sports science took some of these guys aside and they were world class freaks in terms of body composition, speed, fast twitch, etc.

 

[Kolumbo]

Incredible footwork and balance. Kinda like saying Mary Lou Retton wasn't an athlete.

His speed by the way is absolutely fine.

Soccer guys are actually world class top athletes. ESPN Sports science took some of these guys aside and they were world class freaks in terms of body composition, speed, fast twitch, etc.

It's amazing that they have such amazing control while running at full speed. Ronaldhino was incredible. Chrisiano Ronaldo. These guys are 6', unbelievably fast, and super-skilled. Yeah, soccer itself is loved or hated, but the athleticism is without question.

 

[jostar1]

Redhawk Land Service ‏@RedhawkLand · 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Did you see this article? Has quotes from Bowlsby from an on air interview w/ OU media. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2579778-is-the-future-of-the-big-12-in-danger …

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@RedhawkLand Yes I did.

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @RedhawkLand Future for OU will either be in an advanced B12...or in SEC/B1G.
OU will not been in Conf that has structure disadvantages

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@RedhawkLand If UT stops all reform...the next story is does OU find room in GOR to get out earlier.

Murr ‏@MurrDCU · 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire @RedhawkLand next time, ask BTM that question

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@MurrDCU @RedhawkLand I have. But he has no insight on B12 GOR.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@RedhawkLand B12 lied for years about current TV deal as not being pro-rata....until Boren called them out. What else is B12 lying about?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@RedhawkLand Bowlsby can't go any farther in his words...he went as far as he could go.
Boren laying groundwork for OU future.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@RedhawkLand B12 not surviving in current form = Oklahoma bolts to one of 3 suitors.
BTM said this in April..Bowlsby says it now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@RedhawkLand If UT does not move both on Expansion and dumping LHN...B12 will not survive in current form. Bowlsby is saying this as well.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@RedhawkLand Boren is trying to save the B12...Bowlsby acknowledges this...gives Boren a wink and nod in public.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
It is the B10 perception that Boren has won the "expansion" argument...but much more will be needed to save B12 in its current form.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
B12 is much further along in expansion talks than most perceive.
Bowlsby talking B12 being "disadvantage" if steps are not followed through

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 50m50 minutes ago
B12 will expand for reasons Bowlsby/Boren have explained...but what they won't tell you..(I will) they are waiting on deregulation to pass.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 48m48 minutes ago
Bowlsby's perspective he wants B12 to have the strongest cards possible as he sits down to negotiate with 11/12. Deregulation is an ACE

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 47m47 minutes ago
Bowlsby will tell candidates we don't need you for CCG...so what value do you bring us?
Bowlsby will squeeze out back-loaded terms - 11/12

BostonCoug ‏@BostonCoug · 49m49 minutes ago
@flugempire Greg, do you think Bowlsby/Boren have the votes within the Big12 to expand?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 46m46 minutes ago
@BostonCoug Yes..with qualifications. Negotiations will go forward once deregulation passes with candidates.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 42m42 minutes ago
The BR article has me saying on old tweet UCF/BYU...but as I explained on Oct 13 (check my timeline) those 2 are not leading candidates.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 41m41 minutes ago
Bowlsby will be playing hardball with UH-Memphis-CINCY during negotiations. Will try to backload their slice of B12 Pro Rata contract.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 38m38 minutes ago
@_Wasted_Space_ BTM says UCF record is a minor consideration...very minor.
ESPN is not in UCF corner. Big gigantic hurdle

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 43m43 minutes ago
Bowlsby will be playing hardball with UH-Memphis-CINCY during negotiations. Will try to backload their slice of B12 Pro Rata contract.

Boo-Yah! ‏@Merrick7950 · 42m42 minutes ago
@flugempire Like either of those schools will hold out...no way...EACH of those three would jump immediately if offered.

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @Merrick7950 But who will take less of the pie in the early years of B12 Tier 1 Conference $?
Lots of negotiations up ahead

 

[Ha Who]

If the original premise is so ridiculous (non-athletes, mid-major), no amount of debate is going to change his mind. Better to save your time and move on, absolutely nothing to see there.

Never said there was anything key or new. The purpose for my post was to point out that it is better to have a hoops writer for a major publication and studio analyst for the Big Ten Network defending us rather than nodding yes to a simpleton

 

[businesslawyer]

On the list of stupid "understandings," this is right up here. The XII is waiting to act on Houston and Memphis because the XII's leverage will increase after deregulation? Seriously? You think Houston or Memphis has any leverage now?

Bowlsby: "I'm going to offer you less than equal economic terms, and if you don't take it I'm calling Cincy or BYU or UConn. The terms are ..."

Any G-5 AD: "We accept."

 

[don356]

It's interesting now that the AAC fball slate seems to be gaining traction. It's hard to predict that will have any impact, but stranger things have happened as far as competing networks needing content. However, i suspect the current AAC lowball tv deal will likely give way to added $'s for some or all. Trying to backload $'s may not be as effective as it might have otherwise been. Interesting times.

 

[CallMeBruce]

On the list of stupid "understandings," this is right up here. The XII is waiting to act on Houston and Memphis because the XII's leverage will increase after deregulation? Seriously? You think Houston or Memphis has any leverage now?

Bowlsby: "I'm going to offer you less than equal economic terms, and if you don't take it I'm calling Cincy or BYU or UConn. The terms are ..."

Any G-5 AD: "We accept."

Yeah, he's been beating this drum for a while, and it's ridiculous. The Big 12 has all the leverage in the world, and that leverage is every other team who would instantly accept a terrible deal to get into the Big 12.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Incredible footwork and balance. Kinda like saying Mary Lou Retton wasn't an athlete.

His speed by the way is absolutely fine.

Soccer guys are actually world class top athletes. ESPN Sports science took some of these guys aside and they were world class freaks in terms of body composition, speed, fast twitch, etc.

No argument that Messi is not an elite athlete. That said, he's only 5' 7".

 

[Dooley]

On the list of stupid "understandings," this is right up here. The XII is waiting to act on Houston and Memphis because the XII's leverage will increase after deregulation? Seriously? You think Houston or Memphis has any leverage now?

Bowlsby: "I'm going to offer you less than equal economic terms, and if you don't take it I'm calling Cincy or BYU or UConn. The terms are ..."

Any G-5 AD: "We accept."

Seriously. Any school outside of the P5 right now has absolutely zero negotiating leverage. The B12 could offer Memphis or Houston $1 for the first 10 years before getting a full share and they would take it in a heartbeat.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Seriously. Any school outside of the P5 right now has absolutely zero negotiating leverage. The B12 could offer Memphis or Houston $1 for the first 10 years before getting a full share and they would take it in a heartbeat.

Yes, now. A bidding war could erupt however. If Cinci is in the Big XII, and UConn gets B1G overtures, the ACC has a problem if it expects ND to join. It has zero acceptable candidates remaining. It's a big poker game right now, and nobody is showing their cards. Once the hands start coming out it could change rapidly.

 

[Kolumbo]

No argument that Messi is not an elite athlete. That said, he's only 5' 7".

Yogi was 5'7". Pele 5'8". Maradona 5'5". What's your point?

 

[Husky25]

Yogi was 5'7". Pele 5'8". Maradona 5'5". What's your point?

Don't you know that only men with over active pituitary can be great elite, great athletes?

Gotta be 6'-8" 270 lbs., be able to jump out of the arena and hit a 24 foot jumper with seem regularity. LeBron does flop to draw a foul with the best of them, so maybe he does belong on a soccer field.

 

[Kolumbo]

Just because I want to catch a lot of flack. It is starting to seem overly hypocritical because we all know big time sports brings problems which the NCAA has never handled properly and I am sick of reading about tv and dollars. Maybe it's time they do something unique and put the students and fans first. See how that experiment works. Keep it more regional and focus on academics, try being true to what it should be just as the Ivy League does not waiver.
UCONN, UMASS, Buffalo, ODU, Temple, Cinci, Army, Navy. The Colonial Conference consists of fine universities at the FCS level. It just seems to me that if a university is striving for excellence, all of the corruption at the P5 level should be taken out of the equation.
Crazy talk, I know, but F it. I'd rather see this if it is G5 for the rest of my life.

 

[Kolumbo]

Don't you know that only men with over active pituitary can be great elite, great athletes?

Gotta be 6'-8" 270 lbs., be able to jump out of the arena and hit a 24 foot jumper with seem regularity. LeBron does flop to draw a foul with the best of them, so maybe he does belong on a soccer field.

And along those lines, size alone with no skill can bring the appearance of an athlete. See Hasheem Thabeet.

 

[Dooley]

Yes, now. A bidding war could erupt however. If Cinci is in the Big XII, and UConn gets B1G overtures, the ACC has a problem if it expects ND to join. It has zero acceptable candidates remaining. It's a big poker game right now, and nobody is showing their cards. Once the hands start coming out it could change rapidly.

Respectfully disagree. You're either in the $25M-$50M/yr club or you're in the $1M/yr club. With the exception of a few small potatoes schools, those in the latter would chop off their limbs to get into the former. The only way our leverage would improve is if Mike Aresco can wave some sort of magic wand and get us MUCH closer to the $25M/yr club. I don't think that will happen. The best he could do would be possibly get us half of the way there...but even then, I think that's quite a stretch and very unlikely.

But let's say our leverage does improve...if we turn down an invitation to the B1G over a backloaded contract offer, I will march to Storrs with torches and pitchforks (as would the entire state).

 

[SubbaBub]

Respectfully disagree. You're either in the $25M-$50M/yr club or you're in the $1M/yr club. With the exception of a few small potatoes schools, those in the latter would chop off their limbs to get into the former. The only way our leverage would improve is if Mike Aresco can wave some sort of magic wand and get us MUCH closer to the $25M/yr club. I don't think that will happen. The best he could do would be possibly get us half of the way there...but even then, I think that's quite a stretch and very unlikely.

But let's say our leverage does improve...if we turn down an invitation to the B1G over a backloaded contract offer, I will march to Storrs with torches and pitchforks (as would the entire state).

Only the B12(Texas) would do that. The B1G would craft an agreement that best meets the needs of its members and the newcomers. If that means maintaining payout levels to current members, that's what they'd do, but they wouldn't move without knowing how it will work out past the immediate short term. They wouldn't expand if a heavily back loaded contract were necessary.

The ACC is only asking us if they are desperate so greed wouldn't be the driving force in any agreement with them.

 

[pj]

Seriously. Any school outside of the P5 right now has absolutely zero negotiating leverage. The B12 could offer Memphis or Houston $1 for the first 10 years before getting a full share and they would take it in a heartbeat.

Not true, for several reasons:
1. The B12 will lose its top programs by 2025 at the latest, meaning that ten years at $1 leaves you at least $30 mn behind your AAC colleagues and in the same boat in 2025 (as B12 will be arguably worse than the AAC). If AAC gets a nice uptick in the next contract, from $3 mn per year to say $8 mn, you could be $70-80 mn behind.
2. If Texas or Oklahoma has an exit from the GoR and leave early, then you may not even get the prestige benefit to make up for the loss of money.

You have to keep in mind the possibility that Oklahoma and Texas have exits already prepared, and that B12 expansion is really about protecting Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and other weak sisters, as ESPN and Fox cannot terminate the TV contract if the number of teams stays above a threshold. The conference you are entering may not be a P5 for long and you have to be sure you are getting paid adequately.

 

[noeynox]

Not true, for several reasons:
1. The B12 will lose its top programs by 2025 at the latest, meaning that ten years at $1 leaves you at least $30 mn behind your AAC colleagues and in the same boat in 2025 (as B12 will be arguably worse than the AAC). If AAC gets a nice uptick in the next contract, from $3 mn per year to say $8 mn, you could be $70-80 mn behind.
2. If Texas or Oklahoma has an exit from the GoR and leave early, then you may not even get the prestige benefit to make up for the loss of money.

You have to keep in mind the possibility that Oklahoma and Texas have exits already prepared, and that B12 expansion is really about protecting Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and other weak sisters, as ESPN and Fox cannot terminate the TV contract if the number of teams stays above a threshold. The conference you are entering may not be a P5 for long and you have to be sure you are getting paid adequately.

Any G5 school would run not walk toward that offer from the big12, us included. The weak sisters you mention are by and large better, more established teams than any,grouping of teams,schools you could put together from the G5 schools.

Wish it wasn't true but it is.

 

[SubbaBub]

No school is accepting a dollar a year for ten years unless the money lost is made up elsewhere. Said school would make the offer public and that would be that.

These conferences are clubs. Yes there may be a probationary period as you build equity, but the value you begin with isn't $1 and no group interested in working together operates that way. Hence, it's within the realm of the B12 (Texas), but not any of the others.

 

[whaler11]

The Big 12 dollar would get UConn it's tier 3 rights back.

They would set themselves on fire for that deal - between tier3 and additional ticket sales be $10 million plus a year better off.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Respectfully disagree. You're either in the $25M-$50M/yr club or you're in the $1M/yr club. With the exception of a few small potatoes schools, those in the latter would chop off their limbs to get into the former. The only way our leverage would improve is if Mike Aresco can wave some sort of magic wand and get us MUCH closer to the $25M/yr club. I don't think that will happen. The best he could do would be possibly get us half of the way there...but even then, I think that's quite a stretch and very unlikely.

But let's say our leverage does improve...if we turn down an invitation to the B1G over a backloaded contract offer, I will march to Storrs with torches and pitchforks (as would the entire state).

Yes, NOW. There is a possibility that there will be a sudden push to get to 16-20 among all the conferences. We already know that part of the consideration for Louisville going to the ACC was that they perceived that the Big XII would want them...while they likely wouldn't want us due to geography. That's fine while we are in the American, but if there is any risk that we might not be, the ACC sees it's only path to a partner for ND shut off. Colorado State is useless to the the ACC for example. As soon as a feeding frenzy starts, the leverage shifts. Not all the way, but it shifts from near zero.

The $1 per school point is ridiculous. Nobody would offer that. It would be a delayed revenue stream, nothing more.

 

[SAMCRO]

Gotta be 6'-8" 270 lbs...

I think you just described Fishy.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Yogi was 5'7". Pele 5'8". Maradona 5'5". What's your point?

In elite soccer where bigger players like Ronaldo at 6' 1", Suarez at 6' 0", Lewandowski at 6' 0" are becoming the norm, its amazing what Messi can do.

 

[Dooley]

The $1 per school point is ridiculous. Nobody would offer that. It would be a delayed revenue stream, nothing more.

It was meant to be ridiculous. I just threw an absurd example out there without thought but even at $1/yr + T3 rights retained, we would be up $8M-$10M/yr. At least an 800% profit in media rights alone. And as @whaler11 said, the uptick in ticket sales would add more revenue. Playing against other increased exposure schools also would probably give us a bump in the next apparel deal.

 

[SubbaBub]

The Big 12 dollar would get UConn it's tier 3 rights back.

They would set themselves on fire for that deal - between tier3 and additional ticket sales be $10 million plus a year better off.

That would be money made up elsewhere. Since we are evaluating deals. The next AAC deal should, if Aresco is any good be around $10M. I'd shoot for what the ACC is getting but would have to accept something closer to what they were getting before their latest deal.

A $10M deal would not be acceptable for a term longer than a handful of years and it would need to escalate consistent with the equity we'd add. A buy-in period is perfectly acceptable, akin to the distribution of the old BE credits. But as with the BE credits, some of that was shared with the new members of the AAC even thought they didn't earn it. I realize that the payout was a lot higher because the newcomers had leverage in forming the new league, but the same principle applies. Any new school is a partner, not a hired servant, except maybe to Texas.

And while we are at it, there will be a number G5 for the B12 or any conference they will want the best of the breed, which does limit their choices else they add a Rutgers without the cable boxes that make them so charming.