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Pudge said:
UCF will only be greater with time.

They are stitching together the fabric that retains affinity. Won't be as strong as many. But the sheer numbers are awesome. The way they attacked the regional business community. The way they connected with ALL the Florida regional Community Colleges and regional state colleges. The capacity to tie in lots of range in ages & backgrounds. And being in central Florida.

Don't think pure Football here. And they're not the sole model for this.
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That's fine but it doesn't (necessarily) add up to UCF to the Big12 in the near term, which is the topic at hand... but maybe Greg's info is wrong at this time.
 
junglehusky said:
That's fine but it doesn't (necessarily) add up to UCF to the Big12 in the near term, which is the topic at hand... but maybe Greg's info is wrong at this time.
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Just rumblings. I don't feel that the B12 act is together for Bowlsby to lobby the recalcitrant to move on adding 2. If they did, my feel is that Florida is a great target for them. However, they will not do something like that.

There are smart strategic leaders B1G (Delaney) & Pac 12 (Scott) ... and then a few boneheads herding sheep (Swofford & Bowlsby). My sense is that the SEC is winning (based on the formula Roy Kramer put together in the early 90s) purely by inertia. And Football gods.
 
CallMeBruce said:
They're not making a decision today, so it's not just about these 5 games. The issue is that the school has no history of athletic success, is about to lose their head coach, and is floundering in the one sport in which they ever provided value. That has to make them at least somewhat less attractive to the B12.
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This was the point I was trying to make.
 
Pudge said:
Don't think pure Football here. And they're not the sole model for this.
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Problem is that the impetus for expansion for the Big 12 is pure football.

If they need to get to 12 for a CCG, they aren't going to add a program that will ultimately be a drain on the conference SOS for years to come.

The Big 12 doesn't have to expand for any reason other than football. People can talk all they want about how nice it would be to have a school in Florida for recruiting and exposure purposes, but that's a luxury not a necessity.

Expansion for the Big 12 is about survival and the key to survival is to maintain a conference that is competitive enough to keep Texas and Oklahoma around for a little while longer.
 
However the best football teams are Bosie St and Byu lets say. There is no way ever never ever never ever that Texas would ever play at Boise St. They would be thinking... WTF am I doing here. They would likely turn the plane around and join another conference mid flight. While Texas A$m is playing Alabama.
 
mike012779 said:
However the best football teams are Bosie St and Byu lets say. There is no way ever never ever never ever that Texas would ever play at Boise St. They would be thinking... WTF am I doing here. They would likely turn the plane around and join another conference mid flight. While Texas A$m is playing Alabama.
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Correct, but Texas already plays BYU and adding a team like Cincinnati who has two BCS appearances under their belt or a Memphis that is chasing a historic season is much more palpable.
 
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If ESPN doesn't want to dilute the FL market, why would they want to dilute Ohio or TN markets? Especially to bring in 3rd tier teams within those states?

I continue to believe that expansion of B12 is in UConn's best interest. Not because they will pick UConn, but because it'll unravel the B12, and send TX and OU west, with 2 stepchildren in tow. It'd set up rumored BIG expansion in to KS and CT. Worst case, we'd look to partner with best of AAC and rest of B12 in a more meaningful conference while continuing to wait for a P4 invite.
 
gioff23 said:
If ESPN doesn't want to dilute the FL market, why would they want to dilute Ohio or TN markets? Especially to bring in 3rd tier teams within those states?

I continue to believe that expansion of B12 is in UConn's best interest. Not because they will pick UConn, but because it'll unravel the B12, and send TX and OU west, with 2 stepchildren in tow. It'd set up rumored BIG expansion in to KS and CT. Worst case, we'd look to partner with best of AAC and rest of B12 in a more meaningful conference while continuing to wait for a P4 invite.
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Well OU is the one pushing for expansion. If OU winds up in another conference, it won't be about B12 expansion taking schools unpalatable to OU, it'll be about the B12 being the lowest on the P5 totem pole.
 
NYUConn said:
Problem is that the impetus for expansion for the Big 12 is pure football.
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The problem is that XII is about making U Texas happy in the wallet (not having to share), on the field, and in the halls of the state house in Austin. The talk of adding Houston seems to support that. UCF may add TV eyeballs; but, it does not bring to the table what Texas wants.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
The problem is that XII is about making U Texas happy in the wallet (not having to share), on the field, and in the halls of the state house in Austin. The talk of adding Houston seems to support that. UCF may add TV eyeballs; but, it does not bring to the table what Texas wants.
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I agree but what I don't get at all is why UT would want to elevate another Texas school to the P5, especially after the waxing they just took at the hands of TCU.

Texas right now is arguably the 5th best program in the state, behind TCU, Baylor, A&M and Houston. Why would they want to give Houston the staying power to compete with them annually?
 
Because of the LHN and UT's strangle hold on the B12, that conference really did miss a great opportunity to add teams which would have absolutely stabilized the league, improved FB and BB, and locked them in for a long time with a very competitive TV deal. When A&M and Mizzou left they should have grabbed TCU, WVU, Pitt, UL, UC, and one of UCF/USF to get to 14. If they wanted to go to 16, then add UH and CSU.
This gets them into some good TV markets (Orlando predominantly), gets their recruiting a bigger advantage in FL, PA, and OH, gets average to great FB, and some bad to great BB programs.

Likewise, if ACC really wanted to lock down the best TV deal and the NYC market they should have gone all in on SU, RU, UConn, WVU, UL, and Pitt to go to 16. It keeps the B1G out of NY/NE, gets you solid FB for the most part, unquestionably the greatest BB league ever imagined, and a kick arse TV deal. Oh well.....
 
NYUConn said:
I agree but what I don't get at all is why UT would want to elevate another Texas school to the P5, especially after the waxing they just took at the hands of TCU.

Texas right now is arguably the 5th best program in the state, behind TCU, Baylor, A&M and Houston. Why would they want to give Houston the staying power to compete with them annually?
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The answer is politics. Texas A&M's rise both before and after their move to the SEC coincided with Rick Perry becoming governor, who happens to be a A&M alumni. For years, U Texas dominated the capitol building in Austin and some people, including Perry's team, did not like it out of jealousy, being too liberal, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/us/tensions-between-rick-perry-and-uts-bill-powers.html

By bringing in U Houston, U Texas gets an ally (more or less indentured servant) in the state house to work against Texas A&M. That political value is HUGE to U Texas.
 
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billybud said:
The question is "What do you bring to the table?"

.....large numbers of national viewers?
.....large regional following?
.....recognized "premium" brand?
.....academic recognition?
.....future potential?

UCF was all about future potential and that seems to be fading.
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Many programs have achieved periods of success over the years often tied to a coach or transcendent player(s). Sustaining that success once you reach it is something altogether different. Less than a decade ago USF was a burgeoning program with a growing fan base and a lofty ranking. Flash forward to today and The Bulls are a G5 bottom feeder with tepid fan support.
 
Things can turn around quickly though...we sometimes forget that Baylor had 13 losing seasons in a row before 2010 and went to their first bowl game in 17 years in 2011.
 
junglehusky said:
UCFs biggest asset is supposed to be the size of its student body and hence future alumni base. But - I wonder if some marketing people have done studies to look at how wide and deep the affiliation is within the UCF student body, being that they are in a state with three other established, big-name CFB brands. When I was at UConn in the 90s there would be a random kid who grew up liking Syracuse or St. John's, (always out-of-staters), maybe one out of a hundred or more. With UCF I imagine there'd be a lot more UF / FSU / Miami affiliation among the student body.
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Kids may enter school having rooted for one of the big 2.5 Florida schools. But down the road when UCF plays one of those other Florida schools, I'll bet the graduates root for their Alma Mater. Even UCONN fans will root for their school in the underdog role.
That said, UCF doesn't seem like Big 12 material, at least not the Big 12 pre-CR. Now? You never know.
 
junglehusky said:
UCFs biggest asset is supposed to be the size of its student body and hence future alumni base. But - I wonder if some marketing people have done studies to look at how wide and deep the affiliation is within the UCF student body, being that they are in a state with three other established, big-name CFB brands. When I was at UConn in the 90s there would be a random kid who grew up liking Syracuse or St. John's, (always out-of-staters), maybe one out of a hundred or more. With UCF I imagine there'd be a lot more UF / FSU / Miami affiliation among the student body.
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The issue with the AAC and specifically the fanbases is that few schools are fans number one school. A lot of the schools are after thoughts in theiregards states or even cities. Remember when we played basketball at ECU and their students gave Purvis hell for leaving NC State? Well its because they're actually NC State fans.
 
BoatShow said:
The issue with the AAC and specifically the fanbases is that few schools are fans number one school. A lot of the schools are after thoughts in theiregards states or even cities. Remember when we played basketball at ECU and their students gave Purvis hell for leaving NC State? Well its because they're actually NC State fans.
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Not the case in Connecticut.
 
BoatShow said:
The issue with the AAC and specifically the fanbases is that few schools are fans number one school. A lot of the schools are after thoughts in theiregards states or even cities. Remember when we played basketball at ECU and their students gave Purvis hell for leaving NC State? Well its because they're actually NC State fans.
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The issue with ECU is that it's so far in the middle of nowhere that we couldn't even stream the game on ESPN3 last year without it cutting out every 5 seconds.

ECU games are basically broadcast on a Marconi radio.
 
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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
These Big 12 games on FS1 continue to suck.
1.238M West Virginia vs Oklahoma
847K Kansas State vs Oklahoma State
Paying attention Delany?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
Purdue vs Michigan State on ESPN 2 had better ratings than OU vs WVU...
Hell UCONN game on Friday night (ESPN 2) had better ratings

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
Big 12 positioning going into their next TV negotiations couldn't be worse.
Oklahoma will bolt

Ross ‏@Rossjc4 · 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire Was that UCONN games against a BYU team? All this just proves BYU should be in a conference!!

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
@Rossjc4 BYU vs UCONN on a Friday night on ESPN 2 just beat out a Saturday FSI game of OU vs WVU

Matt Wyers ‏@mkw_14 · 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire @Rossjc4 Remember that was a late game too, not prime time.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@mkw_14 @Rossjc4 Yep.
If you drill down on these B12 ratings (which you can't do on Twitter) there numbers are horrible

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
2 weeks ago
408K Maryland vs West Virginia on FS1.
These ratings are horrific.
If B1G does a deal with FOX...better limited on FOX

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
Michigan did a 2.86 mil on FS1 in week 1.
But Delany better limit its exposure on FS1 if new deal involves FOX with a portion of B1G content

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
Add up WVU ratings vs 2 P5 games thus far you get a 1.6 mil. Other WVU games were on Root Beer Float station of some sort.
Non exposure.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
There is interest in WVU FB...no doubt. But FS1 gives them and others in B12 no juice. WVU vs UT in 2014 was barely over 1.3 mil...horrific
 
Utini ‏@PromiscuousJawa Oct 7
When the SEC adds two more, it will be schools with well rounded athletic programs. Will they strike first? Some rumblings in Bham today. :)

Lester O'Neal ‏@djbarnett Oct 7
@PromiscuousJawa ugh :( won't be Cincy.

TCBnole ‏@TCBnole Oct 7
@PromiscuousJawa Which two schools are rumored?

Utini ‏@PromiscuousJawa Oct 7
@TCBnole will be in states that border those already predominantly SEC controlled.

Night Rider ‏@NightRiderLBK Oct 8
.@TCBnole @PromiscuousJawa UNC and Virginia or VT
 
An SEC raid on the ACC is the best of all possible worlds for us. Worst case scenario we'd be first in line for the ACC slot. Best possible scenario the remaining Virginia school becomes our partner to the B1G?
 
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The chances of Virginia going to the SEC are maybe 1% and perhaps 3% for UNC. So you are left with Hokies (can you call them vaginal state on this board?) and NC State. Like UConn, NC State will be around forever for the picking, VT maybe maybe not.

So any SEC rumours talking about contiguous states mean VT and NC State - thus nothing.

Tongue in check maybe the SEC has its eyes on VT and a Texas power house called TCU, I mean Baylor, I mean Houston.
 
NEforceUConn said:
The chances of Virginia going to the SEC are maybe 1% and perhaps 3% for UNC. So you are left with Hokies (can you call them vaginal state on this board?) and NC State. Like UConn, NC State will be around forever for the picking, VT maybe maybe not.

So any SEC rumours talking about contiguous states mean VT and NC State - thus nothing.

Tongue in check maybe the SEC has its eyes on VT and a Texas power house called TCU, I mean Baylor, I mean Houston.
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States that border SEC schools:

N. Carolina - UNC, NCST, Duke
Virginia - UVA, VT
West Virginia - WVU
Ohio - Cinci
Indiana
Illinois
Iowa - ISU
Kansas - Kansas, KSU
Oklahoma - Oklahoma, OSU
New Mexico - NMU
Nebraska

There are your choices.
 
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whaler11 said:
The Flug is right about one thing. Putting your games on Fox is death to your viewership.
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FS1 and FS2 will grow over time especially if they get better content. The Michigan/Utah game this year had 2.9 million viewers on FS1. You have to remember, until this year, there never was a reason to watch FS1. Yes, I watched it for the first time this year.

Right now, ESPN is king, but viewers are willing to move around. Remember when NBC was the dominant weeknight network and CBS was the also ran? Today, it is the opposite.
 
UConnJim said:
FS1 and FS2 will grow over time especially if they get better content. The Michigan/Utah game this year had 2.9 million viewers on FS1. You have to remember, until this year, there never was a reason to watch FS1. Yes, I watched it for the first time this year.

Right now, ESPN is king, but viewers are willing to move around. Remember when NBC was the dominant weeknight network and CBS was the also ran? Today, it is the opposite.
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They have shown no interest in moving to Fox. It's a ratings graveyard. There aren't enough high end properties on the market to change that.

But we'll see.
 
whaler11 said:
They have shown no interest in moving to Fox. It's a ratings graveyard. There aren't enough high end properties on the market to change that.

But we'll see.
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Some numbers on a cable dial are more valuable than others. Got it.

Next you will tell me that owning a big box bookstore is a good idea.
 
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