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mauconnfan said:
The only joke I see here is you starting this thread. What is up with you? Newton is going to be as good as Cole with a higher ceiling. He may not be the perfect PG but neither was Cole in all reality. And can’t beat 6’5 either and he will get to the hole easier.

Wow what a joke!
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I was happy with Cole so if he’s that good….
 
jibsey said:
I was happy with Cole so if he’s that good….
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I would be overjoyed if Newton is as good as Cole; but that's a pretty high bar, because Cole was a great point guard, albeit undersized.

Our problem last year at point was over-reliance on Cole, because of the lack of other good options. I hope that Diarra is an upgrade in that respect, and that Andre can take up a few more minutes at point, so that we don't run into the same problem with Newton.
 
Cole was a very good point guard but he was a liability on defense.
 
Palatine said:
Cole was a very good point guard but he was a liability on defense.
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Only if players got into the paint, were taller than him, and our shot blockers were away from the basket. That happened but not as frequently as your statement implies.

Cole was an above average perimeter defender. And an argument could be made that part of the problem in which his players were able to drive by him was because he was over utilized. That problem was mostly due to Gaffney and Diggens not able to be reliable backups.

This was a miss in recruiting. I will asterisk this last statement by saying recruiting at any level isn’t easy but with all the restrictions and competition at the college level for a limited talent base plus the age factor in which the bodies and minds undergo major transformations (anybody with teenagers knows this) make projections of how a player will develop very difficult.
 
ktuck911 said:
Stats don't necessarily determine PG abilities. UConn always had true PGs...Ball handler FIRST guys. Sounds like we're missing that from what @coachn seems to be pointing out. That's a problem if the case. On ball defender can give us fits in bounding the ball with full court presses.
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I think that was a critical skill to run 90s and early 2000s ISO offense. It’s not in a modern offense based on motion and ball movement, mostly through the air, not the bounce. Passing accuracy, vision, awareness, and a shot that forces you to be guarded are the key traits. You need to be able to handle the ball, all guards do, but Iverson level dribbling skills aren’t really that important anymore.

Newton is a modern point guard. Jackson is a modern point guard if he fixes his shot. Cole was a throwback PG. Newton may not be better than Cole, but he’s probably going to be a better fit for the offense and defense we run. I am hoping that Hurley starts switching on D now, rather than chasing & fighting through screens and hedging. Couldn’t do that with Cole.
 
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jibsey said:
I was happy with Cole so if he’s that good….
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I was fine with Cole as well by no means do I think we will do a ton better. But potentially a better fit for Danny.
 
mauconnfan said:
The “Fab 5” isn’t even on the roster not sure why they’re mentioned but ok. Height is a real good thing if indeed they can handle the point and break pressure. I would say by watching film Newton reminds me of a much more athletic Tate George who was very instrumental in running the point for a national contender. I don’t play basketball as you say because I’m 62 but I still watch it. Maybe you should try!
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and now a word aboot a most common dynamic from hardwood reality.
assists.
often, there is a highly disruptive guard scorer, who shoots a lot for normal reasons of wanting to win the game, and thinking that he is the teams best option to bucket. to a much lesser degree, there can be the one who is a nutcake loser, thinks that they're allworld, and is more concerned with getting theirs, final score be damned.
whatever the motivation, when either starts out hot, the natural tendency of the d is to start drifting toward that player to try and stop it. the winning guard knows it, expects it, and when it comes, starts piling up dimes becuz they want to win. 2 guys on me? 3 guys on me? somebody is open! even the loser guard sees it, but is a loser guard and can often be expected to 'pass' on the opportunity for a bucket by someone not named him. often heard by me yelling at my team when faced with the loser guard piling up points, stay at home!
implication?
it's never an easy decision to shade toward the winning one, but it's absolute gospel to not shade toward the jacker, cuz his points prolly won't decide the game, but his 'excuse me' assists could. turrible way to lose, chasing ghosts.
i wonder if there is a stat that determines the 'quality' of an assist. they all count the same, but they're really not.
none of this is a judgment on newt as i have almost nothing to base it on, other than his teams record in conference play was 13-34. in rj's howard career, their league record was 17-15. they season after he left, it was 1-15. very impactful dude and a proven winner who regularly, reliably found the free cable whenever it was there. for fans the likes of me, when having a team that looks like it has the stuff, it's only aboot the w's and the l's. the rest is irrelevant.

and oh, unless ajax becomes a proven outside threat, the key will be clogged with defenders staying at home.
that's basketball, susan.
 
other yells by me, bringing different responses from the squad.
when getting outboarded for whatever reasons, 'box out! box out!'
often, i'll hear back 'be quiet already!, we get it!' sumtimes, the response is nastier. lol. like i've never heard people yelling at me before.
on the udder hand, when i yell 'get to your spots, make your shots, and we'll find you!' then, it's more like
'preach!'

basketball is really a fun game to play.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think that was a critical skill to run 90s and early 2000s ISO offense. It’s not in a modern offense based on motion and ball movement, mostly through the air, not the bounce. Passing accuracy, vision, awareness, and a shot that forces you to be guarded are the key traits. You need to be able to handle the ball, all guards do, but Iverson level dribbling skills aren’t really that important anymore.

Newton is a modern point guard. Jackson is a modern point guard if he fixes his shot. Cole was a throwback PG. Newton may not be better than Cole, but he’s probably going to be a better fit for the offense and defense we run. I am hoping that Hurley starts switching on D now, rather than chasing & fighting through screens and hedging. Couldn’t do that with Cole.
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A lot of this is true but systems are less important than the ability to score or assist others in scoring and to assess instantly which option is going to increase the chances of that happening.

We’ve identified a major weakness last season at the four with Whaley being an above average defender but a below average scorer. So hopefully one or both of Samson or Karaban (or going small with Jackson) will rectify that.

We know what we have in Sanogo. He’s a scoring machine.

Assuming that Newton, Jordan and Andre will start I believe that Newton has best demonstrated the capability I point out in my first paragraph and you make in your second. You correctly point out what Andre has to do to be at Newton’s level. I believe he has been deliberately deferring but won’t this year. Jordan needs to improve both facets.

I would say Bouk demonstrated above average ability to drive to the basket. Martin and Gillespie used their bodies to get there and Solo at a lower level does as well.
 
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ClifSpliffy said:
and now a word aboot a most common dynamic from hardwood reality.
assists.
often, there is a highly disruptive guard scorer, who shoots a lot for normal reasons of wanting to win the game, and thinking that he is the teams best option to bucket. to a much lesser degree, there can be the one who is a nutcake loser, thinks that they're allworld, and is more concerned with getting theirs, final score be damned.
whatever the motivation, when either starts out hot, the natural tendency of the d is to start drifting toward that player to try and stop it. the winning guard knows it, expects it, and when it comes, starts piling up dimes becuz they want to win. 2 guys on me? 3 guys on me? somebody is open! even the loser guard sees it, but is a loser guard and can often be expected to 'pass' on the opportunity for a bucket by someone not named him. often heard by me yelling at my team when faced with the loser guard piling up points, stay at home!
implication?
it's never an easy decision to shade toward the winning one, but it's absolute gospel to not shade toward the jacker, cuz his points prolly won't decide the game, but his 'excuse me' assists could. turrible way to lose, chasing ghosts.
i wonder if there is a stat that determines the 'quality' of an assist. they all count the same, but they're really not.
none of this is a judgment on newt as i have almost nothing to base it on, other than his teams record in conference play was 13-34. in rj's howard career, their league record was 17-15. they season after he left, it was 1-15. very impactful dude and a proven winner who regularly, reliably found the free cable whenever it was there. for fans the likes of me, when having a team that looks like it has the stuff, it's only aboot the w's and the l's. the rest is irrelevant.

and oh, unless ajax becomes a proven outside threat, the key will be clogged with defenders staying at home.
that's basketball, susan.
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This is about as solid as your prediction that the Yankees would continue to be an offensive juggernaut lol wow :confused:
 
mauconnfan said:
This is about as solid as your prediction that the Yankees would continue to be an offensive juggernaut lol wow :confused:
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ur kind of a 24/7, always triggered loon, with dry feet.
my posts that you stroked out on didn't mention you, or anyone else for that matter, yet somehow, and as usual, u take them as a personal affront.
 
I think the OP is preposterous. But let's be honest with ourselves, we really don't know what we have in this team this year. How could we? its fun to talk about it, but any definite stance at this point in the year is pure posturing.
 
ClifSpliffy said:
ur kind of a 24/7, always triggered loon, with dry feet.
my posts that you stroked out on didn't mention you, or anyone else for that matter, yet somehow, and as usual, u take them as a personal affront.
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Not personal Cliffy just whacked on your part. Easy as saying you make no sense.

That’s replying Susan!
 
Quite frankly, Newton will likely be one of our top three productive players. Is he a pure pg, of course not. He’s a scorer, who can create and dish to some extent. Newton is a combo guard.
Hawkins is a 2 Guard. Diarra is primarily a defensive stopper. Jackson is perhaps a point forward who rebounds like a power forward but passes like a point guard, but perhaps without the penetration. Jackson is good on defense and the hope is that the work he’s put in on his shot will present when the bright lights go on.
 
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Jaydumo20 said:
I think the OP is preposterous. But let's be honest with ourselves, we really don't know what we have in this team this year. How could we? its fun to talk about it, but any definite stance at this point in the year is pure posturing.
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This is the posture I'm taking and I stand by it.
 
Jaydumo20 said:
I think the OP is preposterous. But let's be honest with ourselves, we really don't know what we have in this team this year. How could we? its fun to talk about it, but any definite stance at this point in the year is pure posturing.
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I agree with everything you said. Lots to be excited about, but just as many unknowns. One thing I know for sure is that a returning trio of Sanogo, Jackson and Hawkins is really strong, so if Newton and ANYBODY else play really well we have a Top 15 squad. Can't wait to see it unfold.
 
UConniki said:
You must be a “super casual fan”


Maybe you should follow the team more cause this is one of the dumbest posts that I’ve seen in a while. Newton was a first team all AAC point guard and he’s 6’5”, Diarra played for Texas A&M(?) last year and is a more than capable backup at point guard and Jackson will fill the role of point forward.
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Thank you...
 
In all seriousness, I would love to hear more about how Newton is looking. He is the biggest unknown to me that seems to have a real shot at changing the trajectory of this team.
 
This post inspired me place a +6600 title futures bet on our Huskies.
 
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coachn said:
Word from insiders is we don't have a point guard. With all the excitement about the starting lineup we don't have a season without a point guard.
What would last season have been without Cole? The Greeks aren't paying him because he's a. Smuck. Best point guard in BE last year will be sorely missed without a ball handling replacement for him.
Jackson and Hawkins haven't ever shown they can replace Cole.
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Haven’t been on in awhile. Same ole dolts! Never changes lol
 
coachn said:
Word from insiders is we don't have a point guard. With all the excitement about the starting lineup we don't have a season without a point guard.
What would last season have been without Cole? The Greeks aren't paying him because he's a. Smuck. Best point guard in BE last year will be sorely missed without a ball handling replacement for him.
Jackson and Hawkins haven't ever shown they can replace Cole.
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Are you high? Newton averaged 5 assist last season. What a pointless post.
 
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