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WingU-Conn said:
Maybe, but my point is Cronin didn't lose it until Valentine jumped in his face. How do you think Calhoun would have responded if Valentine jumped in his face? Any different?
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It would have never happened. When you run around like an @ each and every game you get yourself into situations like this. Valentine stepped away and Cronin continued and that is when he then stepped to his face. Don't act like a child 90% of the time and you won't get treated like one. Him and his stupid fawking faces.
 
minidarren said:
It would have never happened. When you run around like an @ each and every game you get yourself into situations like this. Valentine stepped away and Cronin continued and that is when he then stepped to his face. Don't act like a child 90% of the time and you won't get treated like one. Him and his stupid fawking faces.
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Can't tell if you're being serious or not.

I'm honestly surprised most here think what Valentine was acceptable or even excusable. It's not. It's completely unprofessional behavior for a referee. It doesn't matter what Cronin did, that's what technicals are for.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Can't tell if you're being serious or not.

I'm honestly surprised most here think what Valentine was acceptable or even excusable. It's not. It's completely unprofessional behavior for a referee. It doesn't matter what Cronin did, that's what technicals are for.
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100% serious.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Sometimes I have to wonder whether our fans watched Calhoun on the sidelines.

The comments here confirm what Cronin is saying. Some coaches are allowed to behave a certain way and some aren't. Just because he hasn't won as many games means Valentine is allowed to jump in his face like that?

If a ref did that to Ollie, (who I hope coaches here for the next 30 years but who doesn't even have the resume Cronin has...yet) this board would be calling for Valentine to be suspended. If he did that Calhoun his home address would be posted here. This board has a hard on for Cronin but he's right.
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He should have been T'd up and not just reprimanded. How in the world is he right?
 
UConnDad said:
He should have been T'd up and not just reprimanded. How in the world is he right?
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Read the article, read the thread, read my other posts, or don't. No offense but I'm not going to take the time to explain everything all over again.

I agree he should have been given a technical. That's not the point.
 
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minidarren said:
100% serious.
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Then stop dodging the question. What would Calhoun done if Valentine jumped in his face, and please don't pretend like Calhoun never said anything to a ref that would make him want to get into Calhoun's face.
 
As far as Valentine's actions, I agree with WingU that it is completely unacceptable for a ref to do what he did. As far as Cronin's antics, not merely today's but for much of his career, I stand by my earlier statement.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Then stop dodging the question. What would Calhoun done if Valentine jumped in his face, and please don't pretend like Calhoun never said anything to a ref that would make him want to get into Calhoun's face.
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I answered your question over an hour ago. It wouldn't have ever happened with Calhoun. Calhoun didn't run around 90% of the time like a raging lunatic. When Calhoun was pissed it was typically for a valid reason. Valentine didn't T up Cronin because he is a joke.
 
Nick….errr……Mick is a mini-me to Frank Martin!:oops:…….but I like Frank…...;)
 
WingU-Conn said:
Read the article, read the thread, read my other posts, or don't. No offense but I'm not going to take the time to explain everything all over again.

I agree he should have been given a technical. That's not the point.
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We'll then your point is wrong because the little ferret deserves a T from the opening tip by his actions. To say he didn't lose it until Valentine jumped in his face is absurd.
 
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UConnDad said:
We'll then your point is wrong because the little ferret deserves a T from the opening tip by his actions. To say he didn't lose it until Valentine jumped in his face is absurd.
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Okay. Other than the video proving otherwise, you've got a good point.
 
minidarren said:
I answered your question over an hour ago. It wouldn't have ever happened with Calhoun. Calhoun didn't run around 90% of the time like a raging lunatic. When Calhoun was pissed it was typically for a valid reason. Valentine didn't T up Cronin because he is a joke.
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You didn't answer it. You pretended to answer it and tried to convince me you answered it by pretending to answer it again. If you also want to pretend like no coach has ever behaved like Cronin or worse, that's your choice. Considering how much you like to pretend it is surprising you refuse to discuss a hypothetical. There is one thing that Cronin could do, while in the coach's box, that would justify Valentine's response, and it involves the n-word.

The fact is, the referee is supposed to be impartial, objective, and a professional. It is never appropriate to respond to a coach by getting in their face. Especially when the coach is in his coaching box and not on the floor. It doesn't matter who the coach is, and how little we like him, the referee has a duty to remain calm and professional.
 
minidarren said:
I think there is 40 minutes of video showing that bozo going bonkers almost the entire game. There is a bunch of other video showing him losing it almost every game. The dude is a loose cannon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfup0YA8CnM
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We are talking about what happened today, but....

Thank you for illustrating my point that there is an appropriate response by an official to inappropriate behavior by a coach. Mick Cronin behaved like a fool, and got a technical, and the referee didn't jump in his face.

And after that bozo went bonkers his team went on a 16-3 run and beat UConn.
How ironic.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/...c-Did-Cronin-s-tantrum-spur-Bearcats-victory-
 
WingU-Conn said:
Then stop dodging the question. What would Calhoun done if Valentine jumped in his face, and please don't pretend like Calhoun never said anything to a ref that would make him want to get into Calhoun's face.
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In 2001 (Big East Tourney loss to Syracuse), Jim Burr more than got in his face. He went nose to nose with him and put a finger in his chest. Jim didn't react like that.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
As far as Valentine's actions, I agree with WingU that it is completely unacceptable for a ref to do what he did. As far as Cronin's antics, not merely today's but for much of his career, I stand by my earlier statement.
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This is really all that needs to be said. Anyone paying attention to college hoops should be well aware that Cronin toes and/or crosses the line on a regular basis. Today, he didn't get T'd because the officiating crew was aware that Valentine instigated it.
 
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Calhoun is way more intimidating, then Cronin, a ref would respond by backpedaling and giving Calhoun a T.
 
And Calhoun would never shove his own player or assistant who was trying to diffuse the situation.
 
Attempting to influence the outcome of a game by using theatrics has been a part of coaching for quite some time. Cronin is clearly a power user, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Where I think Cronin did himself a disservice tonight was in how he aggressively shoved his players and, more notably, his assistant coach out of the way. It displays a real loss of control that can potentially undermine his team. In retrospect, I think he will regret that most.
 
itgoeslike said:
Attempting to influence the outcome of a game by using theatrics has been a part of coaching for quite some time. Cronin is clearly a power user, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Where I think Cronin did himself a disservice tonight was in how he aggressively shoved his players and, more notably, his assistant coach out of the way. It displays a real loss of control that can potentially undermine his team. In retrospect, I think he will regret that most.
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If he's capable of that he's capable of being Mike Rice.
 
Excalibur said:
If he's capable of that he's capable of being Mike Rice.
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The same thought crossed my mind, but I think Cronin just worked himself into momentary insanity. Is it habitual like Rice? Probably not, but I think he needs to check himself.
 
Excalibur said:
In 2001 (Big East Tourney loss to Syracuse), Jim Burr more than got in his face. He went nose to nose with him and put a finger in his chest. Jim didn't react like that.
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I remember that game but not the altercation.

However, Calhoun got a technical that game. It's reasonable to assume that affected his reaction.
 
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Post game, Cronin lamented about the lack of respect the ref showed by getting in his face, while turning a blind eye towards how he treated his assistant, who was really just doing his job.
 
WingU-Conn said:
" Samuel hammered one of his players".
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Uh...not really, TSam actually knocked the ball away first then on the follow-through his hand hit the Cincy player's wrist, so not what I would call "hammered". Could it be called a foul? Sure, but this type of contact is often not called.
 
Agree with everything said by WingU-Conn in this thread. Cronin should have been given a technical, and that probably would have been all there was to it. If you're Valentine, you T him up, give him a minute or two to cool off, and if he doesn't give him another technical. The only time I can ever see it as acceptable to get confrontational to that extent as a ref would be if you felt threatened, or if a coach made things personal. Clearly, Valentine escalated the situation, and that's completely inappropriate from an official who is supposed to have control over the game.

As far as Cronin's personality is concerned, I'm not a huge fan, but I do respect him. I though he handled the brawl two years ago with as much class as you could expect, and he's built Cincinnati into a perennially relevant team after inheriting the program in shambles. For as much as conference re-alignment sucks, Cincinnati's the one remaining school that really does resemble an old-school Big East program.
 
Its Amazing we used to have a HOF coach just as fiery as Mick. Now you guys are bashing a guy who was just as bad as our old coach. Come on UConn fans stop being so crazy. I love UConn as much as the biggest die hard but I don't see how you can bitch about Cronin if you didn't bitch about Calhoun.
 
WingU-Conn said:
You didn't answer it. You pretended to answer it and tried to convince me you answered it by pretending to answer it again. If you also want to pretend like no coach has ever behaved like Cronin or worse, that's your choice. Considering how much you like to pretend it is surprising you refuse to discuss a hypothetical. There is one thing that Cronin could do, while in the coach's box, that would justify Valentine's response, and it involves the n-word.

The fact is, the referee is supposed to be impartial, objective, and a professional. It is never appropriate to respond to a coach by getting in their face. Especially when the coach is in his coaching box and not on the floor. It doesn't matter who the coach is, and how little we like him, the referee has a duty to remain calm and professional.
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There is a big difference between Cronin who it's a Jack@$$ 90% of the time and other coaches who are jackasses 10% of the time. Typically, they are dealt with swiftly. Calhoun got his fair share of Ts and ejections. This clown should have been tossed. Again Valentine was walking away when Cronin said something else that got him in his face.

He wants to cry that he doesn't get the respect that K or JB get. But neither of them act like he does day in and day out. JB is too busy picking his nose and K gives out hugs.

I don't understand how I didn't answer your question. I think it is clear that it wouldn't have happened to Calhoun because the man is respected. Cronin is a really hard person to take seriously.
 
Coach K does take full advantage of who he is much of the time……he gets away with murder no doubt so I see what Napolean is saying there. But even K (as mini d states above) isn't as consistent an as the Mickster.
 
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