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Tenspro2002 said:
Barring the apocalypse, I think college basketball will exist long enough that you'll be able to build up a sufficiently large sample size.
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Not sure what you're talking about. The point is that there is no "long run" with a kid like Newman, and for a "sample size" you only need to look at all those can't miss point guards that UConn whiffed on that didn't accomplish anything in their 9 months on a college campus.
 
Honestly, they are both talented enough. I base the decision on personaliy traits like strength of character, hard working, etc.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Not sure what you're talking about. The point is that there is no "long run" with a kid like Newman, and for a "sample size" you only need to look at all those can't miss point guards that UConn whiffed on that didn't accomplish anything in their 9 months on a college campus.
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I think we're talking about two different things. You're talking about Newman possibly being a 1-and-done. My point is the following:

If you take top-10 kids every year, over the long run your program will be more successful than if you take kids ranked 50-100 every year. Some of those 50-100 kids will turn out to be better than some of the top-10 kids, but on average, the higher ranked ones will be better.

Of course, that argument doesn't have anything to say about 1-and-done vs. a 3-year player.
 
Florida is classic example of one and done's hurting a program. Florida had four seniors like UConn but the could not hit an outside shot in the semi-final. Why? Florida had recruited the best outside shooter anyone has seen since Ray Allen and then he left after one year.
So, how does it hurt Florida. Billy D. wants another great shooter. They take a look at Beale and say no thanks. So for two years Billy D. has hard time bringing in a second shooter. No one wants to sit behind Beale for three years. Beale leaves. Billy D. find himself in an NCAA semi-final and has no dependable shooter, one he could have landed two years earlier if Beale had gone elsewhere. He has an inexperience freshmen going up against a couple ball hawks, Napier and Boat. .


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pnete said:
Florida is classic example of one and done's hurting a program. Florida had four seniors like UConn but the could not hit an outside shot in the semi-final. Why? Florida had recruited the best outside shooter anyone has seen since Ray Allen and then he left after one year.
So, how does it hurt Florida. Billy D. wants another great shooter. They take a look at Beale and say no thanks. So for two years Billy D. has hard time bringing in a second shooter. No one wants to sit behind Beale for three years. Beale leaves. Billy D. find himself in an NCAA semi-final and has no dependable shooter, one he could have landed two years earlier if Beale had gone elsewhere. He has an inexperience freshmen going up against a couple ball hawks, Napier and Boat. .


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Who thought that Brad Beal was staying at Florida for 3 years?
 
Obviously Adams is a stud and I'd me more than happy to see him in a Husky jersey, but Newman is the consensus #1 2015 recruit (as long a Thon Maker doesn't reclassify). If the #1 overall recruit wants to come to UConn, you don't turn him down....especially if there is even the slimmest chance he could bring another consensus top 10 recruit in Diamond Stone with him.

I think we are in a better spot with Stone (because of his friendship with Nolan) than we are with Newman, but they both clearly are keeping UConn in mind, which is all we can ask for right now. The staff just needs to make sure UConn stays on their mind.

Also, as I said before I love Adams game and think he'd be a great fit but others can't let his Roxbury connections be the factor in picking Adams over Newman.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
Newman.

You take the higher-rated guy. Over the long run, and on average, they turn out to be better players than lower-rated guys.
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I'd say you're right in general, but this program has proven to be different in that it has a track record of molding 2-3 year guys into stars.

Now, if the age limit is raised, that changes things.
 
I Bleed Blue said:
Obviously Adams is a stud and I'd me more than happy to see him in a Husky jersey, but Newman is the consensus #1 2015 recruit (as long a Thon Maker doesn't reclassify). If the #1 overall recruit wants to come to UConn, you don't turn him down....especially if there is even the slimmest chance he could bring another consensus top 10 recruit in Diamond Stone with him.

I think we are in a better spot with Stone (because of his friendship with Nolan) than we are with Newman, but they both clearly are keeping UConn in mind, which is all we can ask for right now. The staff just needs to make sure UConn stays on their mind.

Also, as I said before I love Adams game and think he'd be a great fit but others can't let his Roxbury connections be the factor in picking Adams over Newman.
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Obviously you take Newman if he wants to come here but the question is who would you rather have. Personally I could care less where Adams is from and I'm guessing most others who prefer Adams feel the same. There are a ton of great players in New England these days and more around the whole country, UConn is one of the top schools in the country and if they prefer a kid from Iceland to a kid from New Haven than that is just fine with me.
 
I'll take any one of Adams, Newman, Brunson, Briscoe, Trier at guard. First come first serve. They all seem like terrific players and we would be happy/lucky to have any of them. Let the chips fall where they may. Hopefully KO can snag us one.
 
superjohn said:
Obviously you take Newman if he wants to come here but the question is who would you rather have. Personally I could care less where Adams is from and I'm guessing most others who prefer Adams feel the same. There are a ton of great players in New England these days and more around the whole country, UConn is one of the top schools in the country and if they prefer a kid from Iceland to a kid from New Haven than that is just fine with me.
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Not disagreeing with you, but it's nice to have a kid who drinks the same kool-aid that we do.....and that is more likely a New England kid. Prince appears to be like that too being an NY kid. Of course not nearly the hard fast rule to make a great player....but this kid has already been to our march madness.
 
Dynasty said:
Newman. I like Adams but people here are falling too much in love with him simply because he's from New England.
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I like the idea of going with the NE guy. You also have to keep in mind that there is some extra pressure on being the #1 recruit. Now Newman might be the type that wouldn't get mired in a slump and get weighed down by the expectations of being the top recruit. Often rival players from the same class will step it up against a top player wanting to prove they're every bit as good. Also there's a greater chance the #1 player will play selfishly, wanting to make that "I'm the best!" statement and not play as much as a team player than a lessor ranked but talented recruit.

Lastly, I don't want a player where I can't help myself from saying, "NEWMAN!" (from Seinfeld)

To all seriousness, I'd be fine with either player, but I like the idea of going with the NE kid, plus the odds of the #1 recruit being a 1-and-done compared to Adams is so much greater. I don't know where Adams ranking will land, though I suspect he's going to rise quite high when it's all said and done.
 
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I would be happy with either guy. With that being said we missed on Brandon Jennings and instead got Kemba Walker, that worked out pretty well. We also didn't get Brandon Knight, Josh Selby, or Corey Joseph. We got Shabazz, that also worked out nicely.

I trust KO is going to bring in the right guy.
 
superjohn said:
Obviously you take Newman if he wants to come here but the question is who would you rather have. Personally I could care less where Adams is from and I'm guessing most others who prefer Adams feel the same. There are a ton of great players in New England these days and more around the whole country, UConn is one of the top schools in the country and if they prefer a kid from Iceland to a kid from New Haven than that is just fine with me.
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I think a lot of people do care. It's the idea that Kansas can come into your backyard and take away a kid whom you very much want. That's the important bit. If UCONN doesn't want them, fine, no worries.

It would be like if UK came and swooped Drummond from us (JA not extreme an example, but you get the idea). That would have stung.
 
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Imagine having a recruiting class of Turtle, Ali, Newman, Stone, Adams, and Bragg. I can see Boatright, Purvis, and one of Hamilton or Calhoun going to the league to make that work. I honestly wouldn't count it out if we have another amazing season like we should. Recruits should be lining up to play for Ollie. There is not another coach in the country you could trust more. He treats kids the same respect whether they are the #1 recruit or 1,000. I don't think there is going to be many players in the country who won't want to play for him after he has a few years under his belt.

There's already not many guards who don't want to play for him. If Ryan and Boatright are 1st rounders after this year then I don't see how we aren't the prime school for guards to go to. The development of Facey and Brimah will see if we start peeking the interest of top big men or not.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Imagine having a recruiting class of Turtle, Ali, Newman, Stone, Adams, and Bragg. I can see Boatright, Purvis, and one of Hamilton or Calhoun going to the league to make that work. I honestly wouldn't count it out if we have another amazing season like we should. Recruits should be lining up to play for Ollie. There is not another coach in the country you could trust more. He treats kids the same respect whether they are the #1 recruit or 1,000. I don't think there is going to be many players in the country who won't want to play for him after he has a few years under his belt.

There's already not many guards who don't want to play for him. If Ryan and Boatright are 1st rounders after this year then I don't see how we aren't the prime school for guards to go to. The development of Facey and Brimah will see if we start peeking the interest of top big men or not.
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1) No way will we have a 6-man class
2) I will eat my hat if Purvis goes to the NBA after next year, nevermind Omar Calhoun
3) Barring a 25/5/5 season, neither Ryan nor Boatright will be a 1st round NBA draft pick
 
Tenspro2002 said:
1) No way will we have a 6-man class
2) I will eat my hat if Purvis goes to the NBA after next year, nevermind Omar Calhoun
3) Barring a 25/5/5 season, neither Ryan nor Boatright will be a 1st round NBA draft pick
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Look I know it's not likely now but I'm not doubting anything with this team anymore. People didn't think deanadre would even come out before the BET tournament this year and no one thought we would be winning a national title. Ryan Boatright can definitely play himself into the first round of the draft with a great season. He can be a better PG prospect than Bazz with his long arms and athleticism. He has that ability to hit tough shots and create his own shot like Bazz too. Maybe not as well but he is damn good at it. After a summer of work he can be really really good next year being the lead guard. Not to mention if he keeps his defense up he won't be a defensive liability in the nba.

In regards to Purvis I could definitely see him leaving after next year if he has a good season. He has NBA athleticism and I'm pretty sure he will be picking up some great knowledge on how to be an NBA PG from Ollie over the 2 years here.

I wouldn't expect Calhoun to come out. Rather I hope he becomes another Rashad Anderson where he stays and brings in great 3 point shooting and scoring off the bench and that clutch shooting ability he showed off freshman year. I more expect Daniel Hamilton to be one and done if anything. Not to say he will be but we will see.

If 3 guys from next years team leave we could have a 6 man class I believe. But it's not really something I expect to happen (same thing with many things we didn't expect to happen over these past few years) but it's just something to think about and look for.
 
intlzncster said:
I think a lot of people do care. It's the idea that Kansas can come into your backyard and take away a kid whom you very much want. That's the important bit. If UCONN doesn't want them, fine, no worries.

It would be like if UK came and swooped Drummond from us (JA not extreme an example, but you get the idea). That would have stung.
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Well get used to it, the talent level in New England is light years ahead of where it was in the 90's, early 2000's, the New England prep league is the best league in the country and there are tons of really good AAU programs now. Back in the day it seemed there was BABC and a bunch of junk,, The point is there are going to be a ton of kids we are going to target from New England in the coming years and we aren't going to get all of them, with that being said I really want Jalen Adams in a Husky jersey.
 
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I'll go with the guy who didn't take this picture.
I know, I know the personal branding thing, but this is too much.
 

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breezy said:
I'll go with the guy who didn't take this picture.
I know, I know the personal branding thing, but this is too much.
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Man likes fine leather. What of it?


Edit: and Mars Blackmon too.
 
Newman if he brings Stone. But Newman is a one and done who would play at our deepest and strongest position, so I'd rather have Adams since we can count on him for 2-4 years.
 
You guys sure can forecast one-and-dones.. doesn't matter where you're rated coming out of high school.. it's what you do at the D1 level.. the Harrisons, Poythress, Cauley-Stein, Dakari Johnson.. all of those guys were supposedly one-and-dones.. but not so fast, they'll all be in Lexington forming the nucleus of another likely title contender next year.
Newman is a 6'3 shooting guard. Unless he blows up and scores 20 ppg his freshman year, those guys are a dime a dozen in the NBA. They likely won't be beating down his door to leave school (now bad advice from his camp/handlers is another matter). At the end of the day, I want the best guys we can get (as long as there are no serious character concerns). Whatever happens after they get to Storrs, happens.
 
breezy said:
I'll go with the guy who didn't take this picture.
I know, I know the personal branding thing, but this is too much.
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How are you going to hate on a kid for dressing nice and wanting to build his personal brand so he can make money in the future? All the best players have huge personal brands for the business world so they can set themselves up for life after basketball. I don't see the problem with it. Would you rather him post pictures with guns or girls which would show a rather immature mindset? If anything this shows how smart this kid is as a 16 year old he even understand the concept of personal branding and is working on it now.
 
pnete said:
Florida is classic example of one and done's hurting a program. Florida had four seniors like UConn but the could not hit an outside shot in the semi-final. Why? Florida had recruited the best outside shooter anyone has seen since Ray Allen and then he left after one year.
So, how does it hurt Florida. Billy D. wants another great shooter. They take a look at Beale and say no thanks. So for two years Billy D. has hard time bringing in a second shooter. No one wants to sit behind Beale for three years. Beale leaves. Billy D. find himself in an NCAA semi-final and has no dependable shooter, one he could have landed two years earlier if Beale had gone elsewhere. He has an inexperience freshmen going up against a couple ball hawks, Napier and Boat. .


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Which shooters did Florida lose out on because of Beal? Not Michael Frazier, who has been a much better shooter than Beal was in college.

Keep it going. I'm enjoying this.
 
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It goes without saying, but this is a great problem to have. Adams, Newman, Briscoe - any of the three is a huge huge get. You really can't go wrong with any of them. If Newman brings Stone with him though, that is obviously the best package. The other three, coin flip, lands any which way and you win.
 
I Bleed Blue said:
If the #1 overall recruit wants to come to UConn, you don't turn him down....especially if there is even the slimmest chance he could bring another consensus top 10 recruit in Diamond Stone with him.

I think we are in a better spot with Stone (because of his friendship with Nolan) than we are with Newman, but they both clearly are keeping UConn in mind, which is all we can ask for right now. The staff just needs to make sure UConn stays on their mind.

Also, as I said before I love Adams game and think he'd be a great fit but others can't let his Roxbury connections be the factor in picking Adams over Newman.
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So you can let Newman's relationship to Stone and Stone's connection to Nolan be a factor in your choosing of Newman but others on this board cannot let Adam's Roxbury connections be a factor in their decision? I sense a little hypocrisy there Blue.
 
Mike Moran said:
So you can let Newman's relationship to Stone and Stone's connection to Nolan be a factor in your choosing of Newman but others on this board cannot let Adam's Roxbury connections be a factor in their decision? I sense a little hypocrisy there Blue.
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I guess there is a bit, but the Newman-Stone connection is an actual benefit if we land Newman whereas if we get Adams its just a cool fact that he's from Roxbury.

And for the record I would take Newman straight up over Adams. He looks like Ray which is all I need to say.
 
pnete said:
Florida is classic example of one and done's hurting a program. Florida had four seniors like UConn but the could not hit an outside shot in the semi-final. Why? Florida had recruited the best outside shooter anyone has seen since Ray Allen and then he left after one year.
So, how does it hurt Florida. Billy D. wants another great shooter. They take a look at Beale and say no thanks. So for two years Billy D. has hard time bringing in a second shooter. No one wants to sit behind Beale for three years. Beale leaves. Billy D. find himself in an NCAA semi-final and has no dependable shooter, one he could have landed two years earlier if Beale had gone elsewhere. He has an inexperience freshmen going up against a couple ball hawks, Napier and Boat. .


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Because no great shooter ever wants another great shooter on their team. At KY the freshman all believe the other McDonald's AA suck.
 
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