Newman or Adams?

[pnete]

Neither if they are one and doners. Give the scholarship to a kid who wants to play college ball. UConn's last two titles were won because
the point guards stuck around to play college ball for at least three years. You won't win with these one and doners unless you can recruit five every year.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I'll give you credit, you've posted some nonsensical stuff. You're saying you won't win with a kid who's one and done on your team unless you have five of them?

 

[pnete]

I guess what I don't understand is why you equate Adams with winning but not Newman. I agree that in some cases you are better off with 3 or 4 year guys versus one and dones. With that said (and I've posted this before) the youngest team in the NCAA tournament has made the final four every year since 2011, and won the title twice. Young / very talented players can also win titles.

These one and doners are the reason UConn has one the last two titles. These one and doners are actually hurting the top schools as they have to rebuild every single season. Giffey, Napier, Boatright and Daniels have played three seasons together that's why they won.

 

[David 76]

It didn't just start in the digital age.. this has been around nearly 30 years and pretty much EVERYBODY knows what it is...

30 years ago, high school juniors weren't doing it. Let's see when it hits middle school.

 

[pnete]

I'll give you credit, you've posted some nonsensical stuff. You're saying you won't win with a kid who's one and done on your team unless you have five of them?

Nonsensical for an idiot. One and done means NBA player, One NBA player won't win a title. Five NBA players, even freshmen, and you have a shot. Kentucky is cycling five NBA players every year. The other teams aren't. What did Parker do for Duke? What is Ennis going to do for Syracuse this year. Both of those guys need to be replaced.

 

[dogfan96]

Nonsensical for an idiot. One and done means NBA player, One NBA player won't win a title. Five NBA players, even freshmen, and you have a shot. Kentucky is cycling five NBA players every year. The other teams aren't. What did Parker do for Duke? What is Ennis going to do for Syracuse this year. Both of those guys need to be replaced.

Pretty sure Melo did it

 

[CTBasketball]

We don't need a PG if Terrence Samuel can develop his jumpshot the way Shabazz had.

 

[dogfan96]

These one and doners are the reason UConn has one the last two titles. These one and doners are actually hurting the top schools as they have to rebuild every single season. Giffey, Napier, Boatright and Daniels have played three seasons together that's why they won.

There aren't many schools outside of UK with a lot of one-and-done kids.. and trust me, they're not hurting.. anybody not named UConn would kill to be them.. 3 out of the last 4 Final Fours and a national title

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Nonsensical for an idiot. One and done means NBA player, One NBA player won't win a title. Five NBA players, even freshmen, and you have a shot. Kentucky is cycling five NBA players every year. The other teams aren't. What did Parker do for Duke? What is Ennis going to do for Syracuse this year. Both of those guys need to be replaced.

You continue to make absolutely no sense. So if you have one one and done player (i.e. "NBA player") you won't win? How about if you have one of those and two guys who play two years in college? Can you win then?

You're just making arbitrary rules that have no basis in reality. Incidentally, as someone else said, Kentucky has been to 3 of the last 4 Final Fours with one championship so they must be doing something right.

 

[David 76]

Hold on. We did not win 2 championships because other teams were weakened by one-and done players. Florida? Michigan? Iowa State? The team that took us to overtime? Maybe we beat KY because they over-rely on those players and we had a team. There just are not that many teams with those NBA-ready players and I think only 1 of them crossed our path.
As far as 2011, I think KY was about the biggest challenge we faced in the NCAA. But we beat a lot of good teams in and out of the BE that did not fit that definition.
I don't want to be KY either but some of this rationale is silly.

 

[mauconnfan]

We don't need a PG if Terrence Samuel can develop his jumpshot the way Shabazz had.

Shabazz had a jump shot already though big difference……….I hope he can but it's ugly no doubt. He's a good player anyway, solid in a back up role and who knows how much more. UConn will be playing a lot of 3 guard line ups for a few years it would seem.

 

[intlzncster]

Hold on. We did not win 2 championships because other teams were weakened by one-and done players. Florida? Michigan? Iowa State? The team that took us to overtime? Maybe we beat KY because they over-rely on those players and we had a team. There just are not that many teams with those NBA-ready players and I think only 1 of them crossed our path.

This is pretty much it. Most teams don't function on an exclusive one and done basis. And we beat them anyway.

 

[mauconnfan]

I want the kid who grew up a UConn and Bazz fan, knows what the program stands for and wants to win NC's because he's seen a couple most recently from close to home.

ADAMS is my choice and I love his game!

 

[pnete]

Hold on. We did not win 2 championships because other teams were weakened by one-and done players. Florida? Michigan? Iowa State? The team that took us to overtime? Maybe we beat KY because they over-rely on those players and we had a team. There just are not that many teams with those NBA-ready players and I think only 1 of them crossed our path.
As far as 2011, I think KY was about the biggest challenge we faced in the NCAA. But we beat a lot of good teams in and out of the BE that did not fit that definition.
I don't want to be KY either but some of this rationale is silly.

We beat Florida if Bradley Beale is taking jumpers?

 

[pnete]

Pretty sure Melo did it

Melo is not just an NBA player but a first ballot Hall of Famer. We'll have to make exceptions for Hall of Famers.

 

[intlzncster]

Melo is not just an NBA player but a first ballot Hall of Famer. We'll have to make exceptions for Hall of Famers.

Kind of at odds with your post in another thread, but OK. You said Shabazz would get eaten up by Magic Johnson (which is obvious), who isn't just First Ballot, but challenges for GOAT. Top 5 guy.

So we include GOATs but not regular first ballot Hall of Famers? How about second ballot guys? I'm confused here.

 

[pnete]

This is pretty much it. Most teams don't function on an exclusive one and done basis. And we beat them anyway.

Repeat. Did you take in a Washington Wizard game this year? See the guy playing along side Wall? If Beale stays three years like Kemba or four years like Shabazz, we do not beat Florida.

 

[intlzncster]

Hold on. We did not win 2 championships because other teams were weakened by one-and done players. Florida? Michigan? Iowa State? The team that took us to overtime? Maybe we beat KY because they over-rely on those players and we had a team. There just are not that many teams with those NBA-ready players and I think only 1 of them crossed our path.
As far as 2011, I think KY was about the biggest challenge we faced in the NCAA. But we beat a lot of good teams in and out of the BE that did not fit that definition.
I don't want to be KY either but some of this rationale is silly.

I thought Arizona was by far the toughest challenge. And it was a toss up between UK and SDSU.

 

[David 76]

Melo is not just an NBA player but a first ballot Hall of Famer. We'll have to make exceptions for Hall of Famers.

So we should ask when they are in high school if they plan a HOF career?
Not sure I get your FL point either. We beat them twice. They were one of the very best teams we faced. Are you saying they would have beat us?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

We beat Florida if Bradley Beale is taking jumpers?

Is Andre Drummond playing?

 

[intlzncster]

Repeat. Did you take in a Washington Wizard game this year? See the guy playing along side Wall? If Beale stays three years like Kemba or four years like Shabazz, we do not beat Florida.

Yeah, and we might have won another 3 Championships if we kept our guys. We would have had Drummond and Lamb too. That and a couple of bucks gets you a cup of coffee.

 

[intlzncster]

Is Andre Drummond playing?

And Jeremy Lamb.

 

[David 76]

So Florida didn't beat us because they are a one-and done program?

I thought Arizona was by far the toughest challenge. And it was a toss up between UK and SDSU.

Agreed. Memory ain't as good as it was for the Dream Season!

 

[Tenspro2002]

Newman.

You take the higher-rated guy. Over the long run, and on average, they turn out to be better players than lower-rated guys.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Newman.

You take the higher-rated guy. Over the long run, and on average, they turn out to be better players than lower-rated guys.

What if there is no "long run"?

 

[mauconnfan]

Newman.

You take the higher-rated guy. Over the long run, and on average, they turn out to be better players than lower-rated guys.

For some programs yes but if you took Brandon Knight over Shabazz Napier you lost!! So for UConn it's Adams…….not saying you're wrong just thinking I'm right!

 

[pnete]

This is pretty much it. Most teams don't function on an exclusive one and done basis. And we beat them anyway.[/quot

Kind of at odds with your post in another thread, but OK. You said Shabazz would get eaten up by Magic Johnson (which is obvious), who isn't just First Ballot, but challenges for GOAT. Top 5 guy.

So we include GOATs but not regular first ballot Hall of Famers? How about second ballot guys? I'm confused here.

You can throw Unibrow into the conversation. Another who is so good that he will be in Hall of Fame if not hurt.

 

[Tenspro2002]

What if there is no "long run"?

Barring the apocalypse, I think college basketball will exist long enough that you'll be able to build up a sufficiently large sample size.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

And how about Drummond? You can't say "What if so and so was playing?" and then not mention guys who'd still be at UConn. I'm not sure why that doesn't register with you.

 

[champs99and04]

Nonsensical for an idiot. One and done means NBA player, One NBA player won't win a title. Five NBA players, even freshmen, and you have a shot. Kentucky is cycling five NBA players every year. The other teams aren't. What did Parker do for Duke? What is Ennis going to do for Syracuse this year. Both of those guys need to be replaced.

This makes absolutely no sense. Saying you can't win with a one and done is like saying you can't win with a freshman, and there is now over a decade of evidence proving otherwise.

You're trying to make a connection that isn't there. Of the last four teams to win titles, four of them have had freshman who played meaningful minutes. Whether or not those freshman decided to return or enter their name in the draft is independent of that fact. If Jeremy Lamb decides to enter the 2011 draft instead of returning for his sophomore season, does that suddenly prove your theory wrong? That would have made him a one and done, and we would have won the title with him.