New PAC-12 Forming

[Vowelguy]

Must be more schools in talks that’s only 6 schools.

The news specifically says they’re forming this core group of 6 to then evaluate which teams to add.

Everyone from the MW will want in, with Air Force, UNLV, UtahSt seeming like the leaders, SJSU/Nevada next, and Wyoming/New Mexico in trouble.

Plus the western teams from the AAC like Memphis Tulane and TX schools

 

[Vowelguy]

I would've thought Utah State would be a better add than Colorado State, but I must be just basing that off how they played against UConn. Going back to 2000, their combined records are:
Utah State: 129 W & 160 L, 4 bowl wins & 7 bowl losses
Colorado State: 125 W & 155 L, 5 bowl wins & 6 bowl losses
If we could get some games with them, that would help our schedule as football wise, they would be among the stronger of the G5s.

Col st is #2 school in a bigger state.
Utahst is distant 3rd in its state.

 

[ZooCougar]

For every MWC school they add there is an additional penalty that WSU and OSU would owe depending on when the league starts. They’re likely looking at UTSA or Rice who only get half shares in the AAC. If the TV money is ok then perhaps Memphis comes into play. Especially if there is a Gonzaga involvement. I could see Army/Navy being interested in a league that has both Cali and Texas exposure for military recruiting.

If Army and Navy are in then you might as will consider UConn to solidify an eastern presence.

 

[Exit 4]

Will the media contract be bigger than the American? I would think on par... Whatever the number is, it will be interesting.

I don't see Cal and Stanford joining this group until after it reestablishes autonomous power status and an auto bid to the CFP. And I don't see how the power 4 is just going to agree to let this group become a power conf again.

I like USTA and Northern Texas to join this group to round out 8. Surprising UNLV (and the Vegas market and venues) are not a part of this yet.....maybe they will be.

Poor Wyoming.

 

[ZooCougar]

The news specifically says they’re forming this core group of 6 to then evaluate which teams to add.

Everyone from the MW will want in, with Air Force, UNLV, UtahSt seeming like the leaders, SJSU/Nevada next, and Wyoming/New Mexico in trouble.

Plus the western teams from the AAC like Memphis Tulane and TX schools

Yeah the Queue at the exit will be full.

It’s funny because this is almost exactly what they did to the WAC.

 

[Exit 4]

 

[WrenchFan69]

This way they can get the best of the MWC without the whole MWC. Why pay SJSU or Wyoming, for example, when you could simply not include them?

 

[huskymedic]

 

[ZooCougar]

This way they can get the best of the MWC without the whole MWC. Why pay SJSU or Wyoming, for example, when you could simply not include them?

You do this to leverage them into taking a lesser deal. Nasty.

 

[upstater]

They are not going to do a football only with UConn. That should already be obvious.

 

[UConn Dan]

Only need 8 total schools, but my guess is they go to 10.

Pac-2+4
Oregon State
Washington State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Colorado State
Boise State

Since MWC threw the Pac-2 a life raft with scheduling agreement for a year, I don't think they completely destroy the conference and go after more teams there (though I would take UNLV and New Mexico as my top picks).

Who's viable left to take (South Central and Western teams)?

AAC
Rice
Tulane
Memphis
Tulsa
North Texas
UTSA

Conference USA
UTEP
New Mexico State

Sun Belt
Texas State


My gut is telling me they take Memphis, Rice, Tulane and New Mexico State.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

I think this move will be much more successful than many people expect. The Pac 12 brand still has equity and these new members won't be comparing their TV contract to the B1G and SEC but just trying to beat the MWC and AAC by a decent margin. I expect that Memphis, UTSA, Tulane and USF could all be invited from the AAC. I think UNLV will also certainly be invited and then 1 more out of Utah State, New Mexico or Texas State.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Why is the Pac 2 doing the adding and not the MWC? Because of some old legacy contracts that will almost certainly not be renewed? This is going to be really expensive for the Pac 12 to add a few MWC schools to still be a G5 conference. What am I missing?

 

[KryHavok]

SDSU finally gets to realize its PAC12 aspirational plan, yeah for them.

 

[LetsGoUC]

happy the PAC-12 is staying alive. Schools in the west playing west coast schools feels right, but this is in no way a power conference.

 

[UConn Dan]

Why is the Pac 2 doing the adding and not the MWC? Because of some old legacy contracts that will almost certainly not be renewed? This is going to be really expensive for the Pac 12 to add a few MWC schools to still be a G5 conference. What am I missing?

They'll be the top G5 if they play it right. PAC-12 is still a brand with name recognition. Still has value, even if most people won't know what teams are in it.

 

[ZooCougar]

Why is the Pac 2 doing the adding and not the MWC? Because of some old legacy contracts that will almost certainly not be renewed? This is going to be really expensive for the Pac 12 to add a few MWC schools to still be a G5 conference. What am I missing?

Branding.

The MWC was being paid by the PAC 2 this season and they overplayed their hand.

 

[KryHavok]

Why is the Pac 2 doing the adding and not the MWC? Because of some old legacy contracts that will almost certainly not be renewed? This is going to be really expensive for the Pac 12 to add a few MWC schools to still be a G5 conference. What am I missing?

Yes, they'll still be G5, but in terms of brand names PAC12 >> MWC. That, and the PAC leftovers have more money in their cache than the MWC.

 

[ZooCougar]

The AAC and MWC are screwed.

 

[Exit 4]

Why is the Pac 2 doing the adding and not the MWC? Because of some old legacy contracts that will almost certainly not be renewed? This is going to be really expensive for the Pac 12 to add a few MWC schools to still be a G5 conference. What am I missing?

Maybe WSU and OSU will be using some of their divorcee money to subsidize their MW divorces. From a media contract standpoint, I will be surprised if they get a number north of 10.

 

[ScottVib]

Channeling my inner shizzle:
I think the PAC thinking is:
Wash. St
Ore. St
San Diego St.
Boise St.
Col. St.
Fresno St. (surprised they went here vs. UNLV)
UTSA
Rice
Navy*/Gonzaga
Army*/St. Mary’s

MWC:
San Jose St.
UNLV
Nevada
Utah St.
Wyoming
Air Force
New Mexico
Hawaii*
They don’t have to do anything but if they do:
NDSU
SDSU
Idaho
Montana

C-USA & AAC are forced to try to hash out something that makes sense (perhaps they go geographically rather than a straight poach by the AAC). Memphis could perhaps consider any of the above of the money is good enough.

UConn would again have FB only possibilities to some of them to consider.

 

[LetsGoUC]

I've read that as part of ACC contingency plans for schools leaving, Oregon State and Washington State would be options. Does the PAC-12 staying alive eliminate them as an option? This could be good for UConn if ACC needs teams and those 2 are off the board.

 

[aburks41]

As with any realignment, I just assume it is bad for UConn. Now we have a school called Fresno State getting to use P5 branding AND they will be making more money on a TV deal than UConn. Fresno freaking State. Are you kidding me?

 

[KryHavok]

I've read that as part of ACC contingency plans for schools leaving, Oregon State and Washington State would be options. Does the PAC-12 staying alive eliminate them as an option? This could be good for UConn if ACC needs teams and those 2 are off the board.

The ACC can just switch to USF and Tulane... unfortunately none of this makes the situation positive for UConn. The ACC would add UConn only when it no longer is the ACC but consists of the castaways. My pessimism makes me wonder if the ACC still hates UConn more than it hates FSU for what they've been trying to pull.

 

[upstater]

I can't see why or how the AAC is at play at all.

In order to maximize the dollars, you need to keep membership at 9 teams, which means 3 more. If you add more, you water down the money even more.

They can easily just add Air Force, New Mexico, UNLV or Nevada and be done with it. That's all they really need for the requisite 9.

 

[BugsyCT]

The Pac12 stayed in existence with WSU and OSU, then grabbed a bunch of MWC teams to “rebuild” - we already knew this was coming last year after the mass exodus of the big P12 names.

 

[aburks41]

Like others have said, Zanetto’s leak really did kill the entire thing. No one can convince me otherwise. He literally caused billions of dollars worth of damage to the University in the long term. Anyone else notice how this went from being reported to being a done deal within 12 hours? Meanwhile when our name gets floated out there we get multiple days of hit pieces and then an eventual public humiliation.

 

[CL82]

Like others have said, Zanetto’s leak really did kill the entire thing. No one can convince me otherwise. He literally caused billions of dollars worth of damage to the University in the long term. Anyone else notice how this went from being reported to being a done deal within 12 hours? Meanwhile when our name gets floated out there we get multiple days of hit pieces and then an eventual public humiliation.

I don't particularly blame Zanetto, though I do think he's an opportunistic guy with no connection to the university. I do blame whoever leaked it to him. As I've said in prior posts whomever he or she is needs to be fired.

 

[BugsyCT]

Gotta think they’ll take UNLV and maybe Utah State or Hawaii to get to 8, then work on poaching some AAC remnants

 

[aburks41]

I don't particularly blame Zanetto, though I do think he's an opportunistic guy with no connection to the university. I do blame whoever leaked it to him. As I've said in prior posts whomever he or she is needs to be fired.

It wasn’t an employee who leaked it to him. It was pretty obviously D’Amelio because he was all congratulatory on twitter about Zanetto getting “the scoop”. And Zanetto said that his source told him it would be a good podcast episode. Hmmm…sounds like something a guy who has a huge social media background would say to a newbie podcaster to try to generate clicks.