NCAA Tournament, week 1 of 3

[Gamecockfan77]

The reign of Texas has begun.

Will be a very short reign (in the B12)

 

[Gamecockfan77]

If not for the home court thing, the SEC women would be right there with the men. LSU definitely would've lost on a neutral court, Tennessee probably would have, and with SC who knows.

Georgia was the only SEC women's team to win a neutral-court game, and then they were destroyed by an Iowa State team that barely beat a 14 seed two days earlier.

I think we kind of do know with SC, but hey anything is possible.

 

[Plebe]

I think we kind of do know with SC, but hey anything is possible.

So a team that lost to Missouri and Kentucky in the same season would be incapable of losing to Miami? It's not like a lightning strike. Happened twice.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Taylor Chavez was a career 41% 3pt shooter before transferring to Arizona.

34% this year, which isn't terrible, but overall her production was almost non-existent. She had a disappointing Jr. year at Oregon, but this year was way worse. Although looking at her stats, she had a low number of attempts behind the arc, her % is skewed by a recent 5-7 performance against USC. She only made 15 3's all year, 1/3 of them were in 1 game.

Conner and Pueyo are decent 3 point shooters. Surprisingly Sam Thomas led them in both made 3s and %.

 

[bballnut90]

34% this year, which isn't terrible, but overall her production was almost non-existent. She had a disappointing Jr. year at Oregon, but this year was way worse. Although looking at her stats, she had a low number of attempts behind the arc, her % is skewed by a recent 5-7 performance against USC. She only made 15 3's all year, 1/3 of them were in 1 game.

Conner and Pueyo are decent 3 point shooters. Surprisingly Sam Thomas led them in both made 3s and %.

Point being that Arizona has good shooters, it's more the system that's making them shoot such a low percentage. Oregon's ball movement was brilliant in 2020 when Chavez shot almost 50%, then dropped significantly once their offense disappeared in the post-Sabrina year

 

[nwhoopfan]

Here's something interesting: Arizona's total made 3's and 3 point shooting % were nearly identical the last 2 seasons. They obviously missed McDonald, but it had no noticeable impact on their 3 point shooting.

 

[nwhoopfan]

RE: Chavez, I think you would have to conclude her 3 point shooting her soph year was an anomaly. She's played 4 seasons, now, her % by year have been .365, .474, .333, .341.

 

[DefenseBB]

So...Coach McGuff is often criticized for not being much of a coach. But this year he took a team without a whole lot in the way of expectations, won a share of the Big 10 regular season championship, and got to the Sweet 16. Not bad.

Well, He IS getting $1.1 Million plus per year....

 

[UConnCat]

Well, He IS getting $1.1 Million plus per year....

He sure is. That's a lot of money for creating such low expectations.

 

[DefenseBB]

Ok, here it is-THE updated attendance for the first 2 Rounds of the NCAAT. UConn made a blistering come back with 10,167 fans last night finishing 3rd in Attendance for the second round (after a paisley 11th after the first round). UConn finishes 7th of 16 host sites. The average session attendance for all 32 sessions was 6,778.

	School	2nd Rd	1st Rd	Total
1	Iowa	14,382	14,382	28,764
2	Louisville	10,414	8,407	18,821
3	South Car	9,817	8,478	18,295
4	Arizona	8,333	9,573	17,906
5	LSU	8,135	7,890	16,025
6	Indiana	9,627	6,389	16,016
7	UConn	10,167	5,073	15,240
8	Michigan	5,581	6,471	12,052
9	Iowa St	6,283	5,546	11,829
10	Tennessee	5,484	5,448	10,932
11	NC State	4,808	5,483	10,291
12	Maryland	4,575	4,776	9,351
13	Texas	4,960	3,822	8,782
14	Stanford	4,189	3,648	7,837
15	Baylor	3,684	3,855	7,539
16	Oklahoma	3,258	3,952	7,210
		7,106	6,450	6,778

 

[Plebe]

Do you still think the ACC was over-rated?

Tell ya what, if Louisville curb-stomps Tennessee as emphatically as they did Notre Dame (twice), I'll admit that the ACC might not be as overrated as once thought.

But ... the deal is off if NC State loses to Notre Dame.

 

[stwainfan]

I really hope that Horston can play.

 

[DefenseBB]

So in my view, You have to credit some schools for really supporting their teams-Arizona, LSU, Indiana and heck even Michigan!

Iowa, Iowa State, Louisville, UConn and SC have always had support (last 5-7 years) which in Iowa's case, went through the roof this past weekend and in SC's situation was a tad disappointing but still strong when compared to others.

While Baylor and Tennessee have consistently been good teams, their attendance is disappointing and in the Lady Vols case very concerning. This is a team that used to average 14,000 per game.

NC State and Maryland had good numbers but I was hoping for more given their teams.

Texas and Oklahoma have to figure this situation out in a hurry as they make the jump to the SEC and may be vying for the both 25 percentile in attendance with those numbers.

Last on this list is Stanford. They have never really drawn well in all these years and I don't get it. Sure the weather is kind of nice even during the winter but still, this is a phenomenal program that is underappreciated. They can't get boosters to buy season packages and give them to Youth sport groups? Jeesh...

 

[Plebe]

NC State and Maryland had good numbers but I was hoping for more given their teams.

But this year I learned that NC State plays in a smaller arena

 

[SECbbfan24]

5

LSU

8,135

7,890

16,025

 

[jchusky]

I don't get a vote, but if I did aside Dawn my hc of the year would easily be Kevin McGuff. Loses Dorka and team seems like they didn't lose a step.

 

[southie]

Texas and Oklahoma have to figure this situation out in a hurry as they make the jump to the SEC and may be vying for the both 25 percentile in attendance with those numbers.

Last on this list is Stanford. They have never really drawn well in all these years and I don't get it. Sure the weather is kind of nice even during the winter but still, this is a phenomenal program that is underappreciated. They can't get boosters to buy season packages and give them to Youth sport groups? Jeesh...

Texas for sure needs to work on improving attendance; part of that is scheduling better non-conference opponents at home. Opening a brand new arena next season will help, IMO. But, more importantly, having two successful seasons in a row under Vic will help attract new fans. And, down the road (2023-24), hosting SEC teams like South Carolina, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, Arkansas, etc. will help put more fans in the seats, as well.

 

[UcMiami]

Ok, here it is-THE updated attendance for the first 2 Rounds of the NCAAT. UConn made a blistering come back with 10,167 fans last night finishing 3rd in Attendance for the second round (after a paisley 11th after the first round). UConn finishes 7th of 16 host sites. The average session attendance for all 32 sessions was 6,778.

	School	2nd Rd	1st Rd	Total
1	Iowa	14,382	14,382	28,764
2	Louisville	10,414	8,407	18,821
3	South Car	9,817	8,478	18,295
4	Arizona	8,333	9,573	17,906
5	LSU	8,135	7,890	16,025
6	Indiana	9,627	6,389	16,016
7	UConn	10,167	5,073	15,240
8	Michigan	5,581	6,471	12,052
9	Iowa St	6,283	5,546	11,829
10	Tennessee	5,484	5,448	10,932
11	NC State	4,808	5,483	10,291
12	Maryland	4,575	4,776	9,351
13	Texas	4,960	3,822	8,782
14	Stanford	4,189	3,648	7,837
15	Baylor	3,684	3,855	7,539
16	Oklahoma	3,258	3,952	7,210
		7,106	6,450	6,778

Error on the last line last column 13,556 I believe.

 

[DefenseBB]

But this year I learned that NC State plays in a smaller arena

Reynolds Coliseum was reconfigured from 8,300 to 5,500 and with extra room for Standing Room Only to get up to 6,000. So yeah, 10,291 is pretty good for a ceiling of 11,000+.

Out of Curiosity, does @LETTERL know you are making a Cameo as the NC State spokesperson here?

Does Wes Moore have top recruits coming in next year after this very talented Senior class departs?

 

[DefenseBB]

Error on the last line last column 13,556 I believe.

NO, that is the average of all 32 sessions. Columns 2nd Rd and 1st Rd.

 

[LETTERL]

Reynolds Coliseum was reconfigured from 8,300 to 5,500 and with extra room for Standing Room Only to get up to 6,000. So yeah, 10,291 is pretty good for a ceiling of 11,000+.

Out of Curiosity, does @LETTERL know you are making a Cameo as the NC State spokesperson here?

Does Wes Moore have top recruits coming in next year after this very talented Senior class departs?

Surprisingly, none of the top recruits in this year's class signed with NC State. Coach Moore indicated he will have to hit the transfer portal. Our days as an elite, highly-ranked team in WCBB are numbered, and will end when this NCAAT concludes.

And I will tell you something. I have been a really big fan of the Wolfpack Women for nearly 40 years, ever since I set foot on the campus of North Carolina State University in the fall of 1984. WCBB will never, ever be the same for me once this season ends, however it ends. No group of players wearing the Red and White will ever be able to compare with the squads we have had the last three seasons.

I will still follow them, and watch all of their games on TV, but going forward, being ranked #12 or #15 (and possibly, not even ranked at all anymore) and finishing second, third, or sixth place in the ACC, and reverting to going back to being The Hunter rather than The Hunted, just won't be the same as it was in the pre-Cunane and Company days. So, in an ironic twist, the high levels of success NC State has had the last few seasons, set a bar of excellence that could never, ever be equalled, and a level of enthusiasm and excitement that will wane and fade.

And that likely will also mean the end of my regular posting days here at The Boneyard. It has been fun, reading what others have to say about NC State from the perspectives of fan bases of other teams, chuckling at some posts...getting downright irritated at others and having to hold back what I have REALLY wanted to say sometimes, since I always have to remind myself that I am a guest here...but NC State won't be a member of the group of contenders anymore after this season, and won't be a team discussed much by others.

So, this season, I am just taking it all in and enjoying the ride. This high-level of success is what I have wanted for NC State ever since UCONN ended the great run of Andrea Stinson and Rhonda Mapp over 30 years ago...and I just can't envision us returning to this level in the near future...if ever. And now that it is here, and the season has just a few days left, I am feeling, in the dark recesses of my mind, a twinge of sadness that I know will come pouring out when it's all over, whether the end comes in Bridgeport or Minneapolis.

 

[TheGOAT23]

So I take it you also object to crowning the NCAA champion based on performance over the Final Four weekend as opposed to the whole year?

(I suppose that view is at least consistent with Dawn's 2020 Mythical National Championship banner... )

….but but but that’s different!

 

[Plebe]

Surprisingly, none of the top recruits in this year's class signed with NC State. Coach Moore indicated he will have to hit the transfer portal. Our days as an elite, highly-ranked team in WCBB are numbered, and will end when this NCAAT concludes.

And I will tell you something. I have been a really big fan of the Wolfpack Women for nearly 40 years, ever since I set foot on the campus of North Carolina State University in the fall of 1984. WCBB will never, ever be the same for me once this season ends, however it ends. No group of players wearing the Red and White will ever be able to compare with the squads we have had the last three seasons.

I will still follow them, and watch all of their games on TV, but going forward, being ranked #12 or #15 (and possibly, not even ranked at all anymore) and finishing second, third, or sixth place in the ACC, and reverting to going back to being The Hunter rather than The Hunted, just won't be the same as it was in the pre-Cunane and Company days. So, in an ironic twist, the high levels of success NC State has had the last few seasons, set a bar of excellence that could never, ever be equalled, and a level of enthusiasm and excitement that will wane and fade.

And that likely will also mean the end of my regular posting days here at The Boneyard. It has been fun, reading what others have to say about NC State from the perspectives of fan bases of other teams, chuckling at some posts...getting downright irritated at others and having to hold back what I have REALLY wanted to say sometimes, since I always have to remind myself that I am a guest here...but NC State won't be a member of the group of contenders anymore after this season, and won't be a team discussed much by others.

So, this season, I am just taking it all in and enjoying the ride. This high-level of success is what I have wanted for NC State ever since UCONN ended the great run of Andrea Stinson and Rhonda Mapp over 30 years ago...and I just can't envision us returning to this level in the near future...if ever. And now that it is here, and the season has just a few days left, I am feeling, in the dark recesses of my mind, a twinge of sadness that I know will come pouring out when it's all over, whether the end comes in Bridgeport or Minneapolis.

All the feels.

But ... please don't go! Please don't be like those fair-weather Notre Dame fans that head for the hills just because their team isn't a Final Four team anymore.

Secondly, even if NC State takes a dip after this class graduates, I don't think they'll be anywhere near as bad as Notre Dame was for the last two years. Wes will find a way to get some new, good players in the program.

I remember after NC State lost a tough 2nd round-game at Texas several years ago, with those two great senior guards they had (Spencer plus another whose name escapes me for the moment), I thought NC State would take a step back the following year. But IIRC, despite losing two all-conference-level players, they were just as good or even better the following year! (Maybe that was Cunane's freshman year?)

Anyway the point is, don't despair. Just because you can't see the reinforcements coming, doesn't mean they're not on the way! You bring a great spirit to this forum and you'd be missed.

 

[TheGOAT23]

So...Coach McGuff is often criticized for not being much of a coach. But this year he took a team without a whole lot in the way of expectations, won a share of the Big 10 regular season championship, and got to the Sweet 16. Not bad.

This without his starting PG.

 

[UcMiami]

NO, that is the average of all 32 sessions. Columns 2nd Rd and 1st Rd.

Check your math - look at all the other values in your third column.