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bmayuc said:
C'mon. This is a classic easy out for the NCAA. Nail the guy who is no longer an NCAA coach and will not ever again be an NCAA coach. Looks like they are holding accountability but in reality no impact. CLASSIC NCAA.

The argument for paying Ollie his money, btw, is that Ollie is very well regarded by our incredibly important basketball alums, and not coming to a reasonable agreement with Ollie will poison that relationship and cost us much more than some $$ in the long term.
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Does that sound a little like an extortion threat to anyone else?
 
whaler11 said:
I don’t know if Miller lied. Certainly the crap about what his wife told him sounds like total nonsense.

Your logic is ridiculous - by your logic OJ Simpson didn’t kill his wife because the jury believed him.

The decision the NCAA makes doesn’t impact what the truth is. We don’t know what the truth is.

Sometimes situational ethics work out - sometimes they bite you in the rear.

The people doing mental gymnastics are those who now beleive because the NCAA told them what they wanted to hear they now convey the truth.

I look forward to mocking this in the coming years.
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We can all agree that the ncaa is a bogus excuse for an organization, but I’m not sure this totally ends the KO chapter of our nightmare.
The smart thing to do would be to find a common middle ground settlement of $4-$6 million, and end this circus quickly.
This ruling isn’t vindication for UConn, and court and legal standards might be different. Hopefully both sides will compromise, come to an agreement, and shut this embarrassment down once and for all.
 
whaler11 said:
I look forward to mocking this in the coming years.
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Why don't you wait until there is a single occurence that doesn't incriminate the former coach's actions and accept the current reality? Your perception of the truth might differ, but the reality of the situation (fired, violations, penalties, probation, show cause) and all of the outcomes are incontrovertible.
 
whaler11 said:
I don’t know if Miller lied. Certainly the crap about what his wife told him sounds like total nonsense.

Your logic is ridiculous - by your logic OJ Simpson didn’t kill his wife because the jury believed him.

The decision the NCAA makes doesn’t impact what the truth is. We don’t know what the truth is.

Sometimes situational ethics work out - sometimes they bite you in the rear.

The people doing mental gymnastics are those who now beleive because the NCAA told them what they wanted to hear they now convey the truth.

I look forward to mocking this in the coming years.
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I think all 3 of these things can be true at once:

1) the NCAA is an awful, terrible, no good organization.

2) UConn has generally handled this terribly and has treated Ollie horribly

3) Ollie broke the contract that he signed. Was the language of the contract vague? Yes. However, no one forced Ollie to agree to that language in that contract. That is on Ollie and his representation.
 
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Dean Wormer said:
We can all agree that the ncaa is a bogus excuse for an organization, but I’m not sure this totally ends the KO chapter of our nightmare.
The smart thing to do would be to find a common middle ground settlement of $4-$6 million, and end this circus quickly.
This ruling isn’t vindication for UConn, and court and legal standards might be different. Hopefully both sides will compromise, come to an agreement, and shut this embarrassment down once and for all.
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What?! Pay 4-6MM for exactly what benefit? Certainly not the benefit of the contract aka bargain to coach the team & run the program diligently and comply by the rules.
A guy did his job so poorly that he got the University and himself penalties, why should he be PAID for that?
If anything UConn should sue this for the pay he took while he wasn't doing his job. The former coach was really fortunate to keep his job for as long as he did and was overpaid for the time he didn't diligently do his job. Honestly this is insane.
The circus left UConn with him and his sides' almost incomprehensible stubbornness in this losing battle is only an embarrassment in so much as the former coach was ever employed at UConn. Ever since he was fired, the persistent legal strategy ONLY made sense if they all knew he would never coach again and committed violations BUT by creating a PR 'circus' or embarrassing the University there exists a possibility to extort some money.
 
Dogdeacon said:
What?! Pay 4-6MM for exactly what benefit? Certainly not the benefit of the contract aka bargain to coach the team & run the program diligently and comply by the rules.
A guy did his job so poorly that he got the University and himself penalties, why should he be PAID for that?
If anything UConn should sue this for the pay he took while he wasn't doing his job. The former coach was really fortunate to keep his job for as long as he did and was overpaid for the time he didn't diligently do his job. Honestly this is insane.
The circus left UConn with him and his sides' almost incomprehensible stubbornness in this losing battle is only an embarrassment in so much as the former coach was ever employed at UConn. Ever since he was fired, the persistent legal strategy ONLY made sense if they all knew he would never coach again and committed violations BUT by creating a PR 'circus' or embarrassing the University there exists a possibility to extort some money.
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Pay him now, yeah okay that makes a ton of sense...
 
Guapo said:
I think all 3 of these things can be true at once:

1) the NCAA is an awful, terrible, no good organization.

2) UConn has generally handled this terribly and has treated Ollie horribly

3) Ollie broke the contract that he signed. Was the language of the contract vague? Yes. However, no one forced Ollie to agree to that language in that contract. That is on Ollie and his representation.
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Disagree with #2 and #3. Regarding #2, there are some things the school could have done better but for the most part the reason this is dragging on is because Ollie's representation wants it to.

Regarding #3 the contract isn't vague in the least. The termination provisions are broad, but not vague. Violating NCAA rules, regardless of severity, are grounds for terminating the contract.
 
CL82 said:
Disagree with #2 and #3. Regarding #2, there are some things the school could have done better but for the most part the reason this is dragging on is because Ollie's representation wants it to.

Regarding #3 the contract isn't vague in the least. The termination provisions are broad, but not vague. Violating NCAA rules, regardless of severity, are grounds for terminating the contract.
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Broad to an attorney.

Clearly vague to Ollie.
 
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UConnTrumbull said:
No one thinks this at all lol
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And yet we hear people claiming that this ruling puts paid to KOs case. So evidently, people think the NCAA is unethical ... except when it benefits UConn. Why else would they selectively trust the conclusions of an organization they consider corrupt?
 
Guapo said:
Broad to an attorney.

Clearly vague to Ollie.
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Well fortunately he had one represent him in the employment process.

(P.S. - Violating NCAA rules terminates your contract. How is that hard?)
 
CL82 said:
Well fortunately he had one represent him in the employment process.

(P.S. - Violating NCAA rules terminates your contract. How is that hard?)
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Careful. Violating NCAA rules is grounds for the school to terminate your contract without paying you a buyout, if it so chooses. It doesn't terminate your contract.
 
crewbear742 said:
And yet we hear people claiming that this ruling puts paid to KOs case. So evidently, people think the NCAA is unethical ... except when it benefits UConn. Why else would they selectively trust the conclusions of an organization they consider corrupt?
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Getting caught cheating is getting caught cheating. The fact that many of us think that the NCAA's enforcement is not always even handed doesn't change that.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Careful. Violating NCAA rules is grounds for the school to terminate your contract without paying you a buyout, if it so chooses. It doesn't terminate your contract.
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Mmm, disagree, but I'd have to look. A finding of the school of NCAA violations terminates the contract, if I recall correctly but its been a while since I looked at it.
 
Excalibur said:
Whaler and Ollie think that there was some sort of conspiracy between UConn and the NCAA. The same entity that banned us retroactively for APR shortfalls while allowing other programs commit academic fraud to prop up their APR without penalty, is somehow conspiring with the school to make its case against a fired coach.


Occom's razor, anyone?
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I much prefer Schrodinger’s cat. Iccum’s razor is too simple
 
crewbear742 said:
And yet we hear people claiming that this ruling puts paid to KOs case. So evidently, people think the NCAA is unethical ... except when it benefits UConn. Why else would they selectively trust the conclusions of an organization they consider corrupt?
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By this logic, EVERYTHING the NCAA does must be bad. Ollie broke rules. You might not agree with the rules, but that’s different. You can be both corrupt and still make some decent decisions.
 
CL82 said:
Getting caught cheating is getting caught cheating. The fact that many of us think that the NCAA's enforcement is not always even handed doesn't change that.
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Except the authority you will cite to establish cheating is ... the NCAA report. That is the official finding of fact - especially regarding any legal proceeding. There is a principle here: "False in one. False in all." The principle isn't "False in one. False in all, except when I like it."
 
  • A vacation of records in which men’s basketball student-athletes competed while ineligible. The university must provide a written report containing the contests impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 45 days of the public decision release.
Is there even a slight chance the bolded part could include CV and if so, just curious, is there any chance at all that this could impact CV eligibility for this year?
 
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crewbear742 said:
And yet we hear people claiming that this ruling puts paid to KOs case. So evidently, people think the NCAA is unethical ... except when it benefits UConn. Why else would they selectively trust the conclusions of an organization they consider corrupt?
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The NCAA is capricious even though it seemingly suspends UConn at any opportunity. The point then might be don't risk their wrath. Maybe put something in coach's contracts to specifically avoid it. We know the NCAA comes down hard on UConn regardless, this hasn't changed.
The point is not that the NCAA ruling is fair or even just, it was avoidable and yet the guy in charge didn't abide by their rules, his contract's provisions and then lied about it. We told him not to do this. Getting burned doesn't mean we like the fire.
 
huskymedic said:


>>A former UConn head men’s basketball coach violated NCAA head coach responsibility rules when he failed to monitor his staff and did not promote an atmosphere of compliance, according to a Division I Committee on Infractions panel.

The committee also said the former head coach violated NCAA ethical conduct rules when he knowingly provided false or misleading information during the NCAA enforcement investigation and declined to participate in a second interview with the enforcement staff and school.<<
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Yeah, this about seals KO's fate but I'm sure he will try to drag it out by saying that NCAA is discriminatory organization and their opinion shouldn't count even if there is evidence as it was probably fake. LOL!
 
Vacate the national championship or pay the man. (pay the man).

"vacation of records in which men’s basketball student-athletes competed while ineligible"
 
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