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NCAA: Committee on Infractions could not conclude UNC violated NCAA rules

jibsey said:
I thought that if North Carolina had players that were kept academically eligible by taking completely fake courses, where the players did zero and got A’s, the school would be punished and punished severely. Every one of the players who were in a course should have their grade changed to F, their GPA’s recalculated, and only then should decisions on sanctions and penalties be made. If we find out that players on the National Championship team were involved, then that title must be vacated. Unbelievable.
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You can't do that unless you're willing to do it for all students. That's the slippery slope UNC is trying to stay away from because it would immediately invalidate hundreds or even thousands of diplomas.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
You can't do that unless you're willing to do it for all students. That's the slippery slope UNC is trying to stay away from because it would immediately invalidate hundreds or even thousands of diplomas.
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Schools have done it before. Invalidated diplomas based on evidence uncovered after the fact (like plagiary). In this case, they would be sued because it is a professor.

Nonetheless, I can't see why it would invalidate diplomas (how would applying the correct F to the APR calculation apply to diplomas?)? I don't think it would, unless you change to an F on the official transcript.
 
superjohn said:
They're bad at a lot of things, I would say they are pretty damn good at corruption.
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This is just brutal incompetence.

They spent four years pursuing an avenue that they decided in the last weeks they had no jurisdiction over.

That is incompetence.

Call it what it was - academic fraud. Declare the players ineligible.

This is amazing.
 
jrazz12 said:
UConn should be filing suit against the NCAA today for the APR horsesh..
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Maybe we need a separate thread for this. Statements and decisions made by the NCAA at that time would seem to be completely undermined by this ruling. It really looks like a vendetta was being played out by Emmert. Reviewing our options for legal redress seems warranted at this time.
 
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jibsey said:
I thought that if North Carolina had players that were kept academically eligible by taking completely fake courses, where the players did zero and got A’s, the school would be punished and punished severely. Every one of the players who were in a course should have their grade changed to F, their GPA’s recalculated, and only then should decisions on sanctions and penalties be made. If we find out that players on the National Championship team were involved, then that title must be vacated. Unbelievable.
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Part of the problem is that there was a tutor tha fed the media beast for several years. She claimed she did academic research and found football players were writing at 4th-grade levels and that four-line paragraphs were turned in as final essays. She was the beating heart of the outrage. Turned out she was making up her work while also pushing a business venture and a book deal. No one who investigated could find anything approximating what she was sharing, and she dropped off the radar even while the media narrative she framed stayed intact.

Unable to find evidence for her allegations, the NCAA was left trying to decide if the -Am department was substandard academically, something they are wholesale unqualified for. Opting to skip the part where they decide to tell a university how to be a university, they had the impermissible benefit card. Which is a huge card (UNC once got dinged when a player spent two nights on a couch). But it also is a difficult one to pull off when you ignored similar cases at Michigan and Auburn. Incidentally the NCAA allows athletic departments to run college credit courses available only to athletes. Walking that tightrope between those two mine fields would have been possible but also could have been appealed and litigated. I'm assuming the NCAA wants to save its war chest for AAU-maggedon.
 
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Fishy said:
This is just brutal incompetence.

They spent four years pursuing an avenue that they decided in the last weeks they had no jurisdiction over.

That is incompetence.

Call it what it was - academic fraud. Declare the players ineligible.

This is amazing.
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The minute the SEC Commissioner entered the investigative mix I knew UNC was free and clear. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
Fishy said:
Call it what it was - academic fraud. Declare the players ineligible.
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Yep, that simple academic fraud that should result in suspension of charter, retroactive NCAA penalties & current loss of scholarships, postseason eligibility etc.. Except any and all of that cost the NCAA money & hurt NCAA reputation (future monies) so hocus-pocus, abracadabra, nothing.
 
I don't understand how it isn't a problem that kids were basically getting credit for doing nothing of any sort, simply because non-athletes were able to use the same cheat code.

I understand how a point of investigation was to see if athletes were getting benefits of being athletes, but isn't the fact that kids were getting credits for doing nothing for over a decade kind of an issue?
 
This looks bad for the NCAA in its ongoing antitrust lawsuits. The suits allege that "amateurism" is a sham excuse for an illegal conspiracy to not pay players. The NCAA's decision today to call fake classes a "benefit" is . . . not helpful.

Shorter NCAA: Student-athletes should be grateful. They get an education!

NCAA today: And if they're REALLY lucky, they don't get an education!
 
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With all the other horseshit going on in Washington, we might as well have Congress start an inquiry into the NCAA too. They looked into steroid use in MLB, so why not this corrupt clown show that is the NCAA?
 
The funniest thing is for days we were all joking about what the ridiculous penalties we were all certain they would hit NC with, like losing 2 walk-on scholarships or suspending Roy Williams for an exhibition game vs. the Little Sisters of the Poor - and as ludicrous and ridiculous as they were they didn't they didn't even get that or even a stern warning. All the rest of get is, "it's wrapped up, move on folks, nothing to see here farce". It's a horse race between some of the media and the NCAA for the least amount of credibility in the country right now.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
With all the other horseshit going on in Washington, we might as well have Congress start an inquiry into the NCAA too. They looked into steroid use in MLB, so why not this corrupt clown show that is the NCAA?
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That would be one rich shitshow!
 
krinklecut said:
Get ready for every school to start offering bs courses. Nice precedent setting, NCAA. Morons.
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I get that, but as a school, you still have to worry about accreditation issues. UNC skated, but it's not worth the bad PR, never mind the overall scholastic risk.
 
I knew with every fiber of my being this was going to happen, but seeing it in print is just infuriating. What a f@#$ing joke the NCAA is. And yes, the contrast to the UCONN thing bothers the hell out of me as well.
 
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JeepCSC said:
Part of the problem is that there was a tutor tha fed the media beast for several years. She claimed she did academic research and found football players were writing at 4th-grade levels and that four-line paragraphs were turned in as final essays. She was the beating heart of the outrage. Turned out she was making up her work while also pushing a business venture and a book deal. No one who investigated could find anything approximating what she was sharing, and she dropped off the radar even while the media narrative she framed stayed intact.

Unable to find evidence for her allegations, the NCAA was left trying to decide if the -Am department was substandard academically, something they are wholesale unqualified for. Opting to skip the part where they decide to tell a university how to be a university, they had the impermissible benefit card. Which is a huge card (UNC once got dinged when a player spent two nights on a couch). But it also is a difficult one to pull off when you ignored similar cases at Michigan and Auburn. Incidentally the NCAA allows athletic departments to run college credit courses available only to athletes. Walking that tightrope between those two mine fields would have been possible but also could have been appealed and litigated. I'm assuming the NCAA wants to save its war chest for AAU-maggedon.
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There was much more to it than this. They had the assistant basketball coaches caught redhanded actually discussing the fake classes with the athletic adviser (not the assistant you speak of).
 
krinklecut said:
Get ready for every school to start offering bs courses. Nice precedent setting, NCAA. Morons.
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Exactly, and they are suppose to be students first. The NCAA/ college athletics system is sick.
 
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J-dog said:
What a clown show... The NCAA should charge itself with lack of institutional control... Complete overhaul is coming but nothing will really change.
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That's perfect. They have cited everyone but the untouchables with that catch all charge and now they're the guilty ones. It fits to a T.
 
UNC gets off.. wow... I've already got it out of my system... It's not good for the sport as a whole though.. not good at all.. Sad actually...
 
Can we stop pretending with the "student athlete" nonsense the NCAA keeps pushing? UConn was banned because of poor grades in legitimate classes. UNC has fake grades in fake classes and there's no penalty?

Let's be honest folks, do you really think no-show classes and 1 paragraph final papers are really aimed at helping regular students get good grades? It's a sad day for college athletics. Cheaters are cheaters and should be treated with the same heavy hand, regardless of if those benefits were obtained through payoffs or in the classroom.
 
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