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NCAA approves Shepard ND waiver

ndmb said:
I'm so fine with this. There's no reason athletes shouldn't be able to transfer without penalty, just like any other student.
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other students are not on scholarship, and colleges did not spend $$$ (and years) recruiting them. If transfers were eligible immediately the numbers would skyrocket . And coaches would not have a chance to develop players.
 
Smiles abound in South Bend. It's hard to be opposed to this decision in light of Turner's injury, although that of course couldn't be the rationale. I always find myself wishing that some explanation were offered for the NCAA's decision on waiver requests.

Shepard's situation was a bit unusual in that she, unlike Natalie Romeo, didn't leave Nebraska after Connie Yori was fired and gave the new coaching staff a chance. But she presumably didn't find the new situation to her liking, and off to greener pastures she went. It'll be fascinating to see how she does with her new team.

Notre Dame has completed a de facto multiparty trade with the Pac-12 and Big Ten, shipping out Boley and Patberg and bringing in Thompson and Shepard.
 
Plebe said:
Smiles abound in South Bend. It's hard to be opposed to this decision in light of Turner's injury, although that of course couldn't be the rationale. I always find myself wishing that some explanation were offered for the NCAA's decision on waiver requests.

Shepard's situation was a bit unusual in that she, unlike Natalie Romeo, didn't leave Nebraska after Connie Yori was fired and gave the new coaching staff a chance. But she presumably didn't find the new situation to her liking, and off to greener pastures she went. It'll be fascinating to see how she does with her new team.

Notre Dame has completed a de facto multiparty trade with the Pac-12 and Big Ten, shipping out Boley and Patberg and bringing in Thompson and Shepard.
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Meanwhile over in husker territory there's a general feeling of relief that she's gone. Watching clips of her on yourtube she's a monster going against smaller players but she didn't seem like much of a threat when we played her.
 
noirwestern said:
Meanwhile over in husker territory there's a general feeling of relief that she's gone. Watching clips of her on yourtube she's a monster going against smaller players but she didn't seem like much of a threat when we played her.
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Relief? I kinda doubt it. She averaged 18.6 ppg and 9.8 rpg, more than twice the points and almost twice the rebounds of anyone else on the team. Performance against UConn is not really a good yardstick in this sense because UConn is great at shutting down a team's best player.
 
The major problem with the NCAA and other organizations like them ( high school ) is that their is no one they are accountable to. I mean who overseas them? They have all this power that they basically gave to themselves. Individual schools have no one to appeal to other than to the organization that makes the initial ruling.

I was really hoping that the football landscape would have evolved into basically 4 major power conferences who would then have had the power to create their own National playoff system there by cutting out the NCAA financially and stripping them of their power. It is purely by their ability to control who gets into the bowl games and other play offs that gives the NCAA its power. If you cross them you are eliminated from the money windfall that is generated by those bowl games and playoffs.

The main reason that the NCAA makes rulings based on which school they are dealing with is basically linked to money as well. They are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Anyone who believes their rulings are based on unbiased ethics is deluding themselves.

As another poster mentioned- It would be nice if they gave an explanation for their rulings. As it is now they are an oligarchy accountable to no one.
 
No one at the NCAA knows all the rules written in the hundreds of books containing their rules!
There are committee chairs responsible for their own rule book!
It's an archaic organization that does things totally unexplained.
 
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Plebe said:
Relief? I kinda doubt it. She averaged 18.6 ppg and 9.8 rpg, more than twice the points and almost twice the rebounds of anyone else on the team. Performance against UConn is not really a good yardstick in this sense because UConn is great at shutting down a team's best player.
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Well you might want to check out a Nebraska board...
 
j66kicker said:
“I had no issue with Nebraska,” Shepard said. “Ultimately it came down to what I wanted to accomplish in college and the next level. Nebraska just wasn’t the place to get me there.”
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Wow............I guess that quote says it all. If you decide that , you the player , made a bad initial choice you can just push the RE-DUE button and go someplace else.
It's going to be interesting to see when , and to whom , the NCAA ever denies a transfer waiver request again.
 
HGN said:
Wow..I guess that quote says it all. If you decide that , you the player , made a bad initial choice you can just push the RE-DUE button and go someplace else.
It's going to be interesting to see when , and to whom , the NCAA ever denies a transfer waiver request again.
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Sounds like you are saying:

UConnCat said:
Waivers for everyone!
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Plebe said:
Relief? I kinda doubt it. She averaged 18.6 ppg and 9.8 rpg, more than twice the points and almost twice the rebounds of anyone else on the team. Performance against UConn is not really a good yardstick in this sense because UConn is great at shutting down a team's best player.
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I was going to say, there are not a lot of players (ahem, Morgan William) who do look good against UCONN.
 
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Intpseeker said:
My take is transfers should get to play immediately.

My other take is that the NCAA is a self-serving, hypocritical piece of bureaucratic crap, but hey, what do I know.
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Meanwhile UConn is waiting for clearance for a men's basketball player who committed to St. Johns, attended a summer school class there, decided it wasn't the best choice and left before ever playing a game. How much do want to bet he sits for a year, while a player who decided played for a school for two years gets to play right away?

Consistency is the issue.
 
CL82 said:
Meanwhile UConn is waiting for clearance for a men's basketball player who committed to St. Johns, attended a summer school class there, decided it wasn't the best choice and left before ever playing a game. How much do want to bet he sits for a year, while a player who decided played for a school for two years gets to play right away?

Consistency is the issue.
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Oh Wilson is going to be sitting out, bet the farm on that. Especially since St. Johns believes there was tampering.
 
UConnCat said:
Then why did the NCAA deny the petition of NC State's Braxton Beverly? That decision is a travesty and rightly criticized.

Who knows what the NCAA is doing. If Shepard gets to play then every transfer should get to play. Geno should have urged Azura to apply last year. Too bad; he should have been more creative.
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Because the NCAA really doesn't like Uconn. Specifically Emmert. There are 2 sets of rules. One set for UNC and the like, another set for Uconn and the other schools not in the privileged elite.
 
UConnCat said:
Then why did the NCAA deny the petition of NC State's Braxton Beverly? That decision is a travesty and rightly criticized.
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This was the first thing I thought about when I heard the news. If anyone deserved a waiver it was this kid. (for taking summer classes for crying out loud). I think this opens the door for more sob story transfers.
 
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nwhoopfan said:
Maybe Oregon should get Boley eligible immediately after she transferred from Notre Dame. Just for poetic justice.
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Exactly. Boley's reasons for transferring were personal as well.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Oh Wilson is going to be sitting out, bet the farm on that. Especially since St. Johns believes there was tampering.
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Wilson will sit out for the same reason Beverly has to sit out. Beverly's case appears to be stronger -- Matta getting fired -- but there's no way the NCAA can approve Wilson's request now after the heat it is taking for the Beverly decision.
 
CocoHusky said:
Sounds like you are saying:
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Coco , I guess that is what I am saying............It's either that are the NCAA will get peppered with lawsuits or legal inquiries
asking " Why Not ? You did it for______. (fill in the blank)

I don't know why Shepard was granted the waiver and others in the past have been Denied , but it opens Pandora's Box AND a can of worms.
And this Can of Worms is not just confined to WCBB.........But these worms will wiggle themselves over to the Men's side as well.
 
CocoHusky said:
Sounds like you are saying:
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Coco , I guess that is what I am saying............It's either that are the NCAA will get peppered with lawsuits or legal inquiries
asking " Why Not ? You did it for______. (fill in the blank)

I don't know why Shepard was granted the waiver and others in the past have been Denied , but it opens Pandora's Box AND a can of worms.
And this Can of Worms is not just confined to WCBB.........But these worms will wiggle themselves over to the Men's side as well.
 
UConnCat said:
Then why did the NCAA deny the petition of NC State's Braxton Beverly? That decision is a travesty and rightly criticized.

Who knows what the NCAA is doing. If Shepard gets to play then every transfer should get to play. Geno should have urged Azura to apply last year. Too bad; he should have been more creative.
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It was Z's decision not to apply last year; she didn't want to open wounds stemming from the less-than-great ending at Duke
 
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RockyMTblue2 said:
She applied a while back. South Carolina is seeking a waiver to let this transfer play right away, Staley says

Reported Staley's request delayed 'til December; why? No why given. Te’a Cooper’s eligibility waiver won’t be submitted until December, Staley now says
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South Carolina was going to apply but then decided to wait until Cooper has a semester of residency. SC delayed it, NOT the NCAA.... but by then they lose the benefit of striking while the iron is hot (right after the Shepard decision)... how would the NCAA look allowing Shepard but immediately turning around and denying Cooper? I could see this backfiring on SC.
 
triaddukefan said:
Well you might want to check out a Nebraska board...
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I did look at one board. I don't think relieved would be the word. Mostly they just sound bitter, kinda like jilted brides, understandably.

I feel for their fan base. The Huskers really turn out for their women's sports. The perennial powerhouse women's volleyball team leads the nation in attendance, and would lead it by even more if they had a bigger arena. It's sad to see that a program that just a few years ago took an undefeated record into its conference tournament could fall so far so fast.
 
TerpWomenFan said:
This was the first thing I thought about when I heard the news. If anyone deserved a waiver it was this kid. (for taking summer classes for crying out loud). I think this opens the door for more sob story transfers.
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Indeed. Every now and again the NCAA is given an opportunity to, in the immortal words of Joseph Heller, "rise above principle and do the right thing." In the Braxton case the NCAA failed again.
 
So Dawn is now publicly negotiating with the NCAA. I'll wait and ask for 1/2 a loaf and hope that works. You're either entitled to a waiver or not.

I never really had strong feelings about the transfer rules but now I'm on board with immediate eligibility across the board. The waiver process lacks transparency and gives rise to questionable decisions and accusations of favoritism.
 
Lot of criticism of the NCAA here, and rightfully so, but keep in mind that the NCAA is exactly what member institutions want and allow it to be. So if the NCAA is fickle, plays favorites and applies rules inconsistently, it is exactly what ND, SC, UNC and the vast majority of its members want.
 
oldude said:
Lot of criticism of the NCAA here, and rightfully so, but keep in mind that the NCAA is exactly what member institutions want and allow it to be. So if the NCAA is fickle, plays favorites and applies rules inconsistently, it is exactly what ND, SC, UNC and the vast majority of its members want.
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If I may suggest, change "the vast majority of its members" to "the vast majority of the privileged, elite, members". We are not part of that group.
 
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