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Lefty2one said:
Can we wait until the offseason to engage UofCT2009 in his terrible historical NBA takes?

If I'm Miami I'm packing the paint and making LAL beat me with threes. Denver didn't stand a chance against LAL because they couldn't keep them out of the paint often enough. Some games were veritable layup lines. The other key if I'm Spo is that I'm keenly aware of the whistles LeBron and AD get--keeping Bam out of foul trouble is a top priority. I don't want to fan out to the perimeter and run guys off the line to create easy attacking angles for LeBron, Rondo, etc that will lead to paint possessions and ultimately more fouls.

AD needs to rise to the occasion and dominate Bam. I love watching Bam and can't wait to see how he performs against AD throughout a full series.

I think we'll get a close and fun series with some good chess moves. Ultimately, LA has LeBron and Miami doesn't. LAL in six.
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Easy Lefty!
 
If the Lakers win Game 1, Lakers in 4

If Miami wins game 1, Lakers in 6

If Miami wins games 1 and 2, Miami in 5
 
superjohn said:
He's played with guys who combined for 17 all-star appearances while playing with him and he's played with a handful or so hall of famers.
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hasn't he been in the league for 17 years? that's a pretty meaningless statistic. he dragged some terrible lineups deep into the playoffs.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
hasn't he been in the league for 17 years? that's a pretty meaningless statistic. he dragged some terrible lineups deep into the playoffs.
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Yeah that 17 number has to be off, or being interpreted wrong ... AD, Kyrie, Wade and Bosh should be close to that ... no one else has ever made an All-star team as his teammate?

He has played with at least one elite player since he left CLE the first time, so it's not like he's had terrible teammates... but his first run in CLE was all him, for the most part.

The guy is incredible, anyone saying otherwise is ridiculous. But I'd still take Jordan as the greatest ever, Lebron is my #2.
 
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Mr. French said:
Yeah that 17 number has to be off, or being interpreted wrong ... AD, Kyrie, Wade and Bosh should be close to that ... no one else has ever
He has played with at least one elite player since he left CLE the first time, so it's not like he's had terrible teammates... but his first run in CLE was all him, for the most part.
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He went for 36/13/9 in that 2015 finals and took it to six games with Delly as his best team mate.
 
Mr. French said:
Yeah that 17 number has to be off, or being interpreted wrong ... AD, Kyrie, Wade and Bosh should be close to that ... no one else has ever made an All-star team as his teammate?

He has played with at least one elite player since he left CLE the first time, so it's not like he's had terrible teammates... but his first run in CLE was all him, for the most part.

The guy is incredible, anyone saying otherwise is ridiculous. But I'd still take Jordan as the greatest ever, Lebron is my #2.
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MJ couldn't even lead the Wizards to the playoffs. Do you just pretend like that never happened?
 
Mr. French said:
Yeah that 17 number has to be off, or being interpreted wrong ... AD, Kyrie, Wade and Bosh should be close to that ... no one else has ever made an All-star team as his teammate?

He has played with at least one elite player since he left CLE the first time, so it's not like he's had terrible teammates... but his first run in CLE was all him, for the most part.

The guy is incredible, anyone saying otherwise is ridiculous. But I'd still take Jordan as the greatest ever, Lebron is my #2.
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I'm apparently missing 2 but can't figure out who, could only come up with 15

Dwyane Wade x4: 2011-14
Chris Bosh x4: 2011-14
Kyrie Irving x2: 2015, 2017
Kevin Love x2: 2015, 2018
Mo Williams x1: 2009
Zydrunas Ilgauskas x1: 2005
Anthony Davis x1: 2020
 
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One of things not mentioned about Lebron’s first run in CLe, the coach was ahead of his time surrounding Lebron with shooters/floor spacing (even if it’s just ft line jumpers). All t stuff that pop did to Miami except 5 years earlier.

The problem was the shooters had bad series against a really good team (Boston 2010) and 2 guys shot their brains out for the series of their lives to beat them (Lewis and turkoglu in 2009).

Plus. Lebron didn’t want to leave CLe, but they weren’t recruiting elite talent. if bosh was willing to come to CLe Lebron was never going to Miami. He actively recruited bosh and he said no.

I don’t like Lebron. But some of these points need to at least be put out there.
 
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the Q said:
One of things not mentioned about Lebron’s first run in CLe, the coach was ahead of his team surrounding Lebron with shooters/floor spacing (even if it’s just ft line jumpers). All t stuff that pop did to Miami except 5 years earlier.

The problem was the shooters had bad series against a really good team (Boston 2010) and 2 guys shot their brains out for the series of their lives to beat them (Lewis and turkoglu in 2009).

Plus. Lebron didn’t want to leave CLe, but they weren’t recruiting elite talent. if bosh was willing to come to CLe Lebron was never going to Miami. He actively recruited bosh and he said no.

I don’t like Lebron. But some of these points need to at least be put out there.
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The fact that anyone accomplished anything in Cleveland under Dan Gilbert should be considered a miracle in itself
 
UofCT2009 said:
Don't tell that to @Lefty2one. He might call you out!
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Nope, no qualms with LeBron. He's a Top 3 player of all time and if someone thinks he's the GOAT that's fine. Comparing MJ to Harden is embarrassing.

Separately, people still believe LeBron hasn't had enough help in his career? His championships were won with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, and Anthony Davis (presumably). That's an insane supporting cast. People were complaining that the Heatles were going to ruin the NBA. Davis and Wade will go down as Top 25 players. Kyrie thoroughly outplayed Steph in the '16 Finals and was unquestionably the second-best player in that series. Kyrie won't have the greatest legacy but at his peak he was balling like a top-five player in the league.

LeBron dragged a couple of bad Cavs teams in a god awful Eastern Conference where he wouldn't have gotten out of the first round if the Cavs were in the West. The comparison was done just after LeBron left CLE for LA, LeBron beat something like five 50-win teams in the Eastern Conf playoffs throughout his career whereas MJ beat 14.

Who was the best team LeBron beat in the East? The '07 aging Pistons? The '14 Pacers, whose second-best player was a 33-year-old David West? I can't give LeBron much credit for that stuff. The 2007 Cavs are the 6-seed in the West (and that's being generous, assuming their same record with an WC schedule) and get swept in the first round by the 3-seed Spurs. The '13 Heat made it to the Finals without defeating a single 50-win team. LeBron's legacy would be very, very different if he was drafted by a team in the West.

LeBron's coaches haven't been all-time greats but Spo has long been underrated and will likely wind up in the HOF when it's all said and done. LeBron tried to have Riles fire him six weeks into the Heatles era. You're a well above-average coach if you go a dozen straight years with a single franchise with only two of those 12 seasons are under .500.

LeBron is a legend and a monster but he's had plenty of help in his career. Overall he easily had more help than MJ, whose second-best teammate was Horace Grant.
 
the Q said:
Plus. Lebron didn’t want to leave CLe, but they weren’t recruiting elite talent. if bosh was willing to come to CLe Lebron was never going to Miami. He actively recruited bosh and he said no.
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The Cavs didn't have two max slots during 2010 free agency. That was why a decent chunk of fans/media thought he was gone, CLE was in cap hell and there was no way to significantly improve the team over the next few years.

As an aside, Bosh said on Redick's podcast last month that if it wasn't Miami he would have gone to Chicago. That would have been an interesting team, at least for a year and a half. Pre-injury D-Rose, Bosh, prime Noah, Deng.
 
Lefty2one said:
The Cavs didn't have two max slots during 2010 free agency. That was why a decent chunk of fans/media thought he was gone, CLE was in cap hell and there was no way to significantly improve the team over the next few years.

As an aside, Bosh said on Redick's podcast last month that if it wasn't Miami he would have gone to Chicago. That would have been an interesting team, at least for a year and a half. Pre-injury D-Rose, Bosh, prime Noah, Deng.
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Yeah. Bosh had zero interest in CLE, but a lot of interest in playing with Lebron. But that doesn’t mean bron wasn’t trying to bring him to CLE first.

That CLE team bron left the first time was well coached but horribly run.
 
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I think I'm going to watch, though I'm no fan of either team and don't like either of the opposing lead divas. Hard to figure why I'd take the time other than love of the game.
 
the Q said:
Yeah. Bosh had zero interest in CLE, but a lot of interest in playing with Lebron. But that doesn’t mean bron wasn’t trying to bring him to CLE first.

That CLE team bron left the first time was well coached but horribly run.
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True. A sign-and-trade was a possibility. I can't blame Bosh (or anyone) for not wanting to go to CLE haha.
 
Lefty2one said:
True. A sign-and-trade was a possibility. I can't blame Bosh (or anyone) for not wanting to go to CLE haha.
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Yeah. CLe had bad Geography and a worse front office.
 
navery12 said:
I'm apparently missing 2 but can't figure out who, could only come up with 15

Dwyane Wade x4: 2011-14
Chris Bosh x4: 2011-14
Kyrie Irving x2: 2015, 2017
Kevin Love x2: 2015, 2018
Mo Williams x1: 2009
Zydrunas Ilgauskas x1: 2005
Anthony Davis x1: 2020
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Interesting! Larry Hughes?
 
Lefty2one said:
Who was the best team LeBron beat in the East? The '07 aging Pistons? The '14 Pacers, whose second-best player was a 33-year-old David West? I can't give LeBron much credit for that stuff. The 2007 Cavs are the 6-seed in the West (and that's being generous, assuming their same record with an WC schedule) and get swept in the first round by the 3-seed Spurs. The '13 Heat made it to the Finals without defeating a single 50-win team. LeBron's legacy would be very, very different if he was drafted by a team in the West.
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Did you notice, as you were typing this paragraph out, that it’s essentially saying “The best Eastern Conference win LBJ has is from the season when his team would have been a 6 seed in the other conference” in a larger argument regarding who had more help? Or are you arguing that’s the year LBJ did most with less? Because no, that’d be 2015

LeBron's coaches haven't been all-time greats but Spo has long been underrated and will likely wind up in the HOF when it's all said and done. LeBron tried to have Riles fire him six weeks into the Heatles era. You're a well above-average coach if you go a dozen straight years with a single franchise with only two of those 12 seasons are under .500.
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Just, please, don’t try to spin the coaching angle.

LeBron is a legend and a monster but he's had plenty of help in his career. Overall he easily had more help than MJ, whose second-best teammate was Horace Grant.
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So who was MJ’s hardest Finals opponent? Charles Barkley and the Suns? Frankly, on this further analysis, it doesn’t look like MJ needed much help once he bought in to Phil’s system, Scottie came on board, and the Pistons and Celtics got old; while LBJ had to battle two consecutive dynasties. And please, don’t act like the Big 3 Celtics were nothing to overcome.
 
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olehead said:
I think I'm going to watch, though I'm no fan of either team and don't like either of the opposing lead divas. Hard to figure why I'd take the time other than love of the game.
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Cheer up gramps
 
65-48 LA at the half after falling behind by 13. Bam got 2 fouls in Q1 and that is that. The sheer physicality of LA (Lebron and AD) will carry the series. Sweep ?
 
eebmg said:
Sweep ?
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I mean if Jimmy’s got a bum ankle all series...

LA’s supporting cast came out. If a couple of them play well a game, it’s hard to see Miami lasting long.

Granted, LA shot 65% from 3 and that won’t be happening another half the rest of the way
 
Mr. French said:
Are you 12 years old or trolling?
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Trolling

My edit: The non trolling aspect is people tend to forget MJ failed on the Wizards. Not making the playoffs is ridiculous given how bad the east was. Age has is an excuse for MJ but Lebron doesn't need that excuse yet.
I get MJ has the rings but Lebron has had a better career and if we have this conversation after Lebron retires the GOAT conversation will probably be unanimous for Lebron.
 
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Yikes, could you ask for three worse injuries

Van Grundy is talking about role players “working their way back in to the rotation”. In the Finals. You don’t want to hear that.
 
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