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Did he really say that? Wow. Talk about seething envy of LeBron. What an absolute clown.
"I feel like it’s easy to be the best player when you don’t have good players around you. I feel like it’s harder to stand out when you have great players around you. I pride myself on standing out wherever I am."
 
Was LeBron's hand swollen, at all? Don't broken hands swell up?

I did break my hand punching the wall a while ago. Docs messed in setting the bone properly. Right pinky is little crooked now. When I think of it, I feel pain.
 
Butch said:
Was LeBron's hand swollen, at all? Don't broken hands swell up?

I did break my hand punching the wall a while ago. Docs messed in setting the bone properly. Right pinky is little crooked now. When I think of it, I feel pain.
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Somewhat unrelated, I can’t believe how Bron’s Eye was still as red as it was in game 4. Man what a rake that must have been. And GSW fans booed him when he clutched his head in pain.
 
I'm not really bothered by that so much. It sounds good to say you want your shoes to be affordable to lower-income people, but realistically that doesn't make a lot of sense. The more money the business makes, the more money you make, the more money you have a chance to direct to people who need it (and I'm aware it doesn't necessarily work like that on a macro level, but if I were in his shoes, no pun intended, that's how I'd look at it).

The cocky streak isn't new. I also don't think confidence and humility are always mutually exclusive. If he's not as grounded as he used to be, then that more than likely contributed to his move west. But we sort of made him that way.

I'm all for liking and disliking people for whatever reason you want, but I do find it fortunate that we live in an era where those reasons are largely superficial. The evolution the league has undergone from a PR standpoint in the last couple decades is truly impressive. They've gone from an optics nightmare - correct me if I'm exaggerating since I've only really read about it - to probably the most image conscious league in America. LeBron deserves a lot of credit, but the crop of superstars that bloomed in that same timeframe - Melo, D-Wade, CP3, Durant, Westbrook, Love, Curry, Cousins, etc. - have done everything the league could have asked for and more in terms of promoting the game on a global level, pushing social issues, and being ambassadors for the league in general.

Those guys made the league's jobs' a lot easier compared to the crew that preceded them, is what I'm saying. And I liked those guys, but man, it was one thing after another with the Kobe/Artest/Jermaine O'Neal/Iverson/Steve Francis/Arenas heyday. You know what forget everything I just said I want to go back to those days.
 
Butch said:
Was LeBron's hand swollen, at all? Don't broken hands swell up?
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Yeah man, I thought that too. Not calling the guy out, but a "broken" hand is not something that you play through. Maybe hairline fracture, bruised bone, or something.
 
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Butch said:
Was LeBron's hand swollen, at all? Don't broken hands swell up?

I did break my hand punching the wall a while ago. Docs messed in setting the bone properly. Right pinky is little crooked now. When I think of it, I feel pain.
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This isn’t my photo, so I’m not quite sure which game it’s from, but it does indeed look like his right hand is swollen.

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That is definitely swollen. He played without painkillers? That ain't no hairline fracture.
 
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Hands look damn near identical in this shot. Have to believe the guy is trying to rationalize his poor shooting performances in games three and four. I would give you an example of Jordan taking a loss like a man but he never lost.
 
The revisionist history on Jordan is kind of hilarious. Go back and actually read newspapers from the time and people were saying you couldn't win a title with Jordan as he was getting beaten every year in the east and in the finals. He also frequently blamed his teammates, even going as far as mentioning specific shots that teammates missed in the playoffs and stated his inability to carry the entire team by himself as various excuses for why he was never able to win until '91.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Somewhat unrelated, I can’t believe how Bron’s Eye was still as red as it was in game 4. Man what a rake that must have been. And GSW fans booed him when he clutched his head in pain.
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And Draymond called him the P word for overreacting.
 
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ihatepants said:
The revisionist history on Jordan is kind of hilarious. Go back and actually read newspapers from the time and people were saying you couldn't win a title with Jordan as he was getting beaten every year in the east and in the finals. He also frequently blamed his teammates, even going as far as mentioning specific shots that teammates missed in the playoffs and stated his inability to carry the entire team by himself as various excuses for why he was never able to win until '91.
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That was when he was in his mid 20s.

Once he took over the league, when did any of that happen?

I’d argue it goes both ways: some only remember all of his greatness, some see LeBron and KD and their insane talent and forget how dang good Jordan and others were just 10-20 years ago.
 
Walker11 said:
And Draymond called him the P word for overreacting.
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And jumped around complaining about the call for an hour.

Wait, I’m confusing that play with every single play of his career where he tackles guys.
 
Mr. French said:
That was when he was in his mid 20s.

Once he took over the league, when did any of that happen?

I’d argue it goes both ways: some only remember all of his greatness, some see LeBron and KD and their insane talent and forget how dang good Jordan and others were just 10-20 years ago.
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I mean it’s obvious Jordan ruled the 90s. I also believe that he would have won at least one more if he never retired that first time. But to say that he “never lost” is something else entirely and forgets that Jordan was “human” for a long time before he started trusting his teammates, before Pippen turned into a superstar, and before the best coach of all time started coaching him and installed the triangle offense. He also made plenty of excuses and also looked like he couldn’t carry a team on his own at one point in his career. That perception did change, for the obvious, but a lot had to happen before it did.
 
ihatepants said:
The revisionist history on Jordan is kind of hilarious. Go back and actually read newspapers from the time and people were saying you couldn't win a title with Jordan as he was getting beaten every year in the east and in the finals. He also frequently blamed his teammates, even going as far as mentioning specific shots that teammates missed in the playoffs and stated his inability to carry the entire team by himself as various excuses for why he was never able to win until '91.
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Jordan never lost in the Finals.
 
A10 fan said:
Jordan never lost in the Finals.
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He lost individual games in the finals, just never a series. I was mainly referring to when they lost Game 1 in 1991, he was making excuses like paxson missed so and so shots and "i cant do it all myself"
 
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ihatepants said:
The revisionist history on Jordan is kind of hilarious. Go back and actually read newspapers from the time and people were saying you couldn't win a title with Jordan as he was getting beaten every year in the east and in the finals. He also frequently blamed his teammates, even going as far as mentioning specific shots that teammates missed in the playoffs and stated his inability to carry the entire team by himself as various excuses for why he was never able to win until '91.
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Nobody has claimed Jordan was a nice guy. He was a complete dick. He wanted to eat your soul, even if you were on his own team.

And as we've mentioned before, he was also going against other GOAT-conversation teams in his early years.

This article doesn't prove anything, but there's a few good quotes. Michael Jordan's Former Teammates on How MJ Would've Handled the Modern-Day NBA

But James is unfairly criticized, Perdue says, even when he makes the correct basketball play, because there are people unwilling to acknowledge him for fear of slighting Jordan.​

I think this is probably true. Therein lies one of the important differences between the two guys. Jordan's teammates actually feared him (as did his peers); he drove them to be great simply for fear of pissing him off. Keeping them on the edge focus-wise. I'm not saying it's a healthy leadership quality, but it is an effective one.

I don't get the same sense out of LeBron and his teammates. They respect his game, but I'm not so sure as a leader. See even little things like Kyrie and Curry making fun of his workout videos. jmo

The back of the plane was the fiercely competitive high rollers' room. That's where you'd most often find Jordan, of course—until he learned of the role players' $1 blackjack games up front.

Jordan wanted in. Will Perdue, the Bulls' 1988 first-rounder, swears by his memory of the following exchange between the Hall of Famer and John Paxson:

Paxson: Why are you even bothering to play with us?

Jordan: So I can say I have your money in my pocket.

Jordan's infamous competitive drive made him the GOAT then—and would do the same in today's LeBron James- and Steph Curry-dominated NBA.

"He would somehow find a way to beat you—somehow," Perdue says. "I'm not sure how. He's not sure how, but he would stay up weeks to figure it out."​

Jordan needed to beat you at every aspect of you life like he needed to breathe. Probably would steal your wife if you weren't careful.

The stories about MJ aren't fake. Honestly, he was pathological.
 
intlzncster said:
Nobody has claimed Jordan was a nice guy. He was a complete dick. He wanted to eat your soul, even if you were on his own team.

And as we've mentioned before, he was also going against other GOAT-conversation teams in his early years.

This article doesn't prove anything, but there's a few good quotes. Michael Jordan's Former Teammates on How MJ Would've Handled the Modern-Day NBA

But James is unfairly criticized, Perdue says, even when he makes the correct basketball play, because there are people unwilling to acknowledge him for fear of slighting Jordan.​

I think this is probably true. Therein lies one of the important differences between the two guys. Jordan's teammates actually feared him (as did his peers); he drove them to be great simply for fear of pissing him off. Keeping them on the edge focus-wise. I'm not saying it's a healthy leadership quality, but it is an effective one.

I don't get the same sense out of LeBron and his teammates. They respect his game, but I'm not so sure as a leader. See even little things like Kyrie and Curry making fun of his workout videos. jmo

The back of the plane was the fiercely competitive high rollers' room. That's where you'd most often find Jordan, of course—until he learned of the role players' $1 blackjack games up front.

Jordan wanted in. Will Perdue, the Bulls' 1988 first-rounder, swears by his memory of the following exchange between the Hall of Famer and John Paxson:

Paxson: Why are you even bothering to play with us?

Jordan: So I can say I have your money in my pocket.

Jordan's infamous competitive drive made him the GOAT then—and would do the same in today's LeBron James- and Steph Curry-dominated NBA.

"He would somehow find a way to beat you—somehow," Perdue says. "I'm not sure how. He's not sure how, but he would stay up weeks to figure it out."​

Jordan needed to beat you at every aspect of you life like he needed to breathe. Probably would steal your wife if you weren't careful.

The stories about MJ aren't fake. Honestly, he was pathological.
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He was insane in Barcelona. Would gamble and hit the clubs until morning, maybe catch an hour or 2 of sleep, play 36 holes of golf and then play a game. Rinse and repeat.
 
People who got to see LeBron but not Jordan are going to say LeBron is better because they didn't get to see Jordan. Oh well.

A lot of players are now going to be competing for this imaginary basketball "throne". It's gotten ridiculous. You don't see this in hockey.

This year's draft class is obviously insanely talented. It's not as if we're done seeing great players.

FWIW, LeBron wants to be a "nice guy".
 
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Rocktheworld said:
He wants to be a beloved king; MJ was fine being a dictator
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I think that's about right. Maybe a 'conqueror' is more apropos for MJ. He just wants to crush you. I mean, he's even sh it talking you in his HOF speech.

LeBron annoys me, and I think he's pretty dooshy, but he's a lot better person than MJ.
 
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