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CardiacAndre7 said:
Embiid’s MVP was completely deserved, and the next season he was gonna win again if not for injury.
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Disagree and Shai's certainly wasn't deserved over Jokic last season.

Jokic didn't care about it but Embiid and the media led by Perkins sure did. The media and Joel campaigned for it and he got it.
 
HW611 said:
There’s a lot of great players. Fact of the matter is SGA has this OKC way ahead of schedule without any other All Stars.

It’s kind of crazy the way they’ve been winning with a very inconsistent Chet and JDub who is more role player than All Star.

They’ve been dominating this year even with JDub sidelined and Chet missing time too. He doesn’t get the stats but he’s been incredible.
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Jokic has never played with an all-star either and unfortunately he had those seasons without Murray and Porter Jr.

They were the worst team in the NBA without Jokic on thr court.
 
HW611 said:
It’s funny to watch Shai be so good at scoring that you can watch him intentionally make sure he gets his 30 before he comes out in the 3rd quarter knowing he won’t go back in.
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Giannis, Luka, and Jokic do that too. It's never been easier to score in the NBA. Jokic usually kicks his feet up in the 3rd quarter with a triple double.
 
superjohn said:
Disagree and Shai's certainly wasn't deserved over Jokic last season.

Jokic didn't care about it but Embiid and the media led by Perkins sure did. The media and Joel campaigned for it and he got it.
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Sure they campaigned, but as a ~somewhat~ Knicks fan I can admit that Embiid deserved it. Also was elite defensively before the major injuries.

That 23/24 season was on track to be literally one of the best of all time. He was 100% better thank Jokic that year, if you want to argue 22/23 that’s fine, but it is splitting hairs.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Sure they campaigned, but as a ~somewhat~ Knicks fan I can admit that Embiid deserved it. Also was elite defensively before the major injuries.

That 23/24 season was on track to be literally one of the best of all time. He was 100% better thank Jokic that year, if you want to argue 22/23 that’s fine, but it is splitting hairs.
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Yes, I'm arguing 22-23 when Embiid won it. I think Jokic should've won 5 MVP's in a row but we all know the voters don't do that. Jordan and Lebron obviously should've won more MVP's too.
 
superjohn said:
Yes, I'm arguing 22-23 when Embiid won it. I think Jokic should've won 5 MVP's in a row but we all know the voters don't do that. Jordan and Lebron obviously should've won more MVP's too.
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I think it’s splitting hairs again. I think Embiid’s was deserved, not that Jokic also didn’t deserve it. Similarly with last season, though Jokic’s season was way better than the 22/23 season, but Shai led an All-Time great team and had an All-Time season himself.

Believe it or not, though obviously LeBron was the best player that season, I didn’t really mind Rose winning it. Bulls were incredible and he was mesmeric.

Good thing Jokic couldn’t give a damn either way.
 
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Amazon really has the best studio team. They need more days a week than just Fridays.
 
Not sure how the transfer ups have been doing, but 3 year UC Santa Barbara player Ajay Mitchell has been killing it for the Thunder as a rookie this year.

Mid Majors might've produced another NBA gem in the portal era. Still waiting on that first transfer up to find success.
 
HW611 said:
Not sure how the transfer ups have been doing, but 3 year UC Santa Barbara player Ajay Mitchell has been killing it for the Thunder as a rookie this year.

Mid Majors might've produced another NBA gem in the portal era. Still waiting on that first transfer up to find success.
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Do you just wake up looking to re-visit old arguments? Seems weird.

Anywho, Trey Murphy, Derrick White and Cedric Coward are examples you might like, I am sure you’ll find something to argue though.
 
HW611 said:
Not sure how the transfer ups have been doing, but 3 year UC Santa Barbara player Ajay Mitchell has been killing it for the Thunder as a rookie this year.

Mid Majors might've produced another NBA gem in the portal era. Still waiting on that first transfer up to find success.
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It’s impressive how he went from a pretty trash three point shooter as a sophomore to three years later being very solid as an NBA 3PT shooter so far.
 
caw said:
It’s impressive how he went from a pretty trash three point shooter as a sophomore to three years later being very solid as an NBA 3PT shooter so far.
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Yes he's improving. It's why it's always good to have the foundation if being able to score elsewhere and develop the 3 later. It'll help eventually.

Trainers and technology is too good not to improve 3 point shooting in the NBA
 
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Donovan Mitchell just made one of the craziest game tying shots I've seen in my day. In OT.
 
And I turned it off thinking they were going to double OT but somehow Miami won with .4 left? Sheesh.
 
superjohn said:
In bounds alley oop.

I still can't believe Donovan Mitchell played at Canterbury.
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I can’t believe with Evan Mobley and others, a team could possibly execute an inbounds alley oop with .4 left. What a breakdown.
 
Castle line tonight:
19 pts/11 asts/5 rbs/ 3 stls and + 15 team high
 
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Mr. French said:
I can’t believe with Evan Mobley and others, a team could possibly execute an inbounds alley oop with .4 left. What a breakdown.
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They have to start giving guards DPOY.

A lot of undeserving bigs have won the award in recent years. Unbelievable Bam hasn't won it.

Edit: Wait nvm forgot its the Wemby award for the foreseeable future.
 
superjohn said:
Jokic has never played with an all-star either and unfortunately he had those seasons without Murray.
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I was surprised to hear Murray never made an all-star team. Admittedly, I didn't see him a lot pre-injury but when I did he was always great.
 
one of the more bizarre 2 year spans for a GM, makes great trades at the 2024 deadline to acquire PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford and I don't think the Mavs make the Finals without those moves. Then makes the most nonsensical trade in NBA history and then lowkey the Quentin Grimes for Caleb Martin swap that also made no sense and now here we are. The next GM needs to trade AD for as many first round picks as they can since the Mavs don't have any control of theirs from 2027-2031, just go all in on tanking with Flagg and add another high pick in 2026 to pair with him since this a loaded draft.

 
aceboon said:
one of the more bizarre 2 year spans for a GM, makes great trades at the 2024 deadline to acquire PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford and I don't think the Mavs make the Finals without those moves. Then makes the most nonsensical trade in NBA history and then lowkey the Quentin Grimes for Caleb Martin swap that also made no sense and now here we are. The next GM needs to trade AD for as many first round picks as they can since the Mavs don't have any control of theirs from 2027-2031, just go all in on tanking with Flagg and add another high pick in 2026 to pair with him since this a loaded draft.

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I saw the vision if the Mavs squad was healthy.

But you can't trade Luka for a guy who never plays. It'll be wild if the Mavs stayed put, got healthy, and became really really good.
 
aceboon said:
one of the more bizarre 2 year spans for a GM, makes great trades at the 2024 deadline to acquire PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford and I don't think the Mavs make the Finals without those moves. Then makes the most nonsensical trade in NBA history and then lowkey the Quentin Grimes for Caleb Martin swap that also made no sense and now here we are. The next GM needs to trade AD for as many first round picks as they can since the Mavs don't have any control of theirs from 2027-2031, just go all in on tanking with Flagg and add another high pick in 2026 to pair with him since this a loaded draft.

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My buddy texted me when that trade happened and I told him to screw off. The trade was so outlandish I didn't believe it for a second.
 
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HW611 said:
I saw the vision if the Mavs squad was healthy.

But you can't trade Luka for a guy who never plays. It'll be wild if the Mavs stayed put, got healthy, and became really really good.
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I mean that's the thing, there isn't a vision to me in trading for a 32 year old who is never healthy, and I just don't see a world where Kyrie/AD are leading you to anything as 1A/1B. Nothing about that trade will ever makes sense to me, besides the basketball side of it, a former marketing exec who was at Nike for almost 20 years not realizing what trading the face of his franchise would lead to? Maybe one day we will get the real story.
 
aceboon said:
I mean that's the thing, there isn't a vision to me in trading for a 32 year old who is never healthy, and I just don't see a world where Kyrie/AD are leading you to anything as 1A/1B. Nothing about that trade will ever makes sense to me, besides the basketball side of it, a former marketing exec who was at Nike for almost 20 years not realizing what trading the face of his franchise would lead to? Maybe one day we will get the real story.
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The trade never would've happened if Cuban was still majority owner.
 
aceboon said:
I mean that's the thing, there isn't a vision to me in trading for a 32 year old who is never healthy, and I just don't see a world where Kyrie/AD are leading you to anything as 1A/1B. Nothing about that trade will ever makes sense to me, besides the basketball side of it, a former marketing exec who was at Nike for almost 20 years not realizing what trading the face of his franchise would lead to? Maybe one day we will get the real story.
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Think the the thought was that, healthy, they're the best defensive team in the NBA.

He pretty much built the team on defense (including Caleb Martin for Quinton Grimes to give them a guard defender to go along with Christie). The team is built to play elite defense and win the battle in the paint. Just questions to whether Kyrie can carry the perimeter scoring load almost by himself for a playoff.

It's a huge risk and wasn't really worth it given the obvious injury history of the two and the clear PR side of it as you stated.
 
Trading one of the three or four best players in the league who just took you to the NBA finals and is arguably the face of the league for a broken down guy who is 6 years older and doesn't resonate with the public. Mavs are 15-28 since trading Luka. It's one of the worst trades in sports history.
 
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