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aceboon said:
DC's offensive game is abhorrent, can't believe I'm even typing this but he needs to watch Kalkbrenner tape
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This board wanted to tell me it was a good thing he was spending energy shooting 3s though.

1-5 today and 0-3 from 3 so far. Way more important stuff he could've been investing his time into.
 
HW611 said:
This board wanted to tell me it was a good thing he was spending energy shooting 3s though.

1-5 today and 0-3 from 3 so far. Way more important stuff he could've been investing his time into.
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He doesn't play with any force around the basket or in the paint on offense, Kalkbrenner fg% so high cuz he's trying to dunk whatever he can around the rim and also aggressively put back offensive rebounds
 
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I always hate when it seems like I'm trashing Clingan (or same with other posters) by bringing some reality to the conversation. But he's got such a status on this board that people think he's the greatest C prospect in the history of the sport. His offensive game has been very base level for awhile and he needs to improve in multiple areas before he becomes more than just a rim protector.
 
Mr. French said:
I always hate when it seems like I'm trashing Clingan (or same with other posters) by bringing some reality to the conversation. But he's got such a status on this board that people think he's the greatest C prospect in the history of the sport. His offensive game has been very base level for awhile and he needs to improve in multiple areas before he becomes more than just a rim protector.
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Nobody thinks he's the greatest center prospect in the history of basketball or a mythical figure.

Some people think he was even more impactful defensively than Okafor (I'm one of them) and that seems to be what's bothering you.
 
I would like to see the matchup with the re-tooled Nuggets, but barring injury I don't see how the Thunder don't go back to back. They're smashing the league without JDub and their only loss was a road loss to a good Blazers team that was the 2nd leg of a back to back, and even that came in the last seconds.
 
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superjohn said:
Nobody thinks he's the greatest center prospect in the history of basketball or a mythical figure.

Some people think he was even more impactful defensively than Okafor (I'm one of them) and that seems to be what's bothering you.
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No, I'm not bothered at all. That was 1 of 500 things I've read that were hyperbolic about him.

But it's cool, you chiming in shows where you stand. I know he's a local boy and HELPED win titles, but he's got flaws and every time someone posts reality about his game you and others jump in to say why that's wrong.

I've seen people use some superlatives about him, so my exaggerations were obvious, but not that far off.

And again, I love the kid and loved him while he was here, and love his potential and will continue to root for him. But no, the mere fact you think he was more impactful than Okafor is not the only thing I'm talking about, and no it doesn't bother me. Thanks for responding though!
 
aceboon said:
Jokic has 25 in the first quarter
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Whoops I posted it in the wrong thread. Most points ever in an opening quarter for a center and it's against all-defense Zubac.

He's shooting like 80% from two this season, it's just insane the level he's playing at.
 
Its just so frustrating watching a guy like Zubac play and wondering why Clingan can't model his game around a guy like that.

So many centers with a 3rd of his talent and doing amazing things in the league just by focusing on the right things.

6 of 27 which is good for 22% this month. On a shot that is 40% of his shots. Makes no sense for a 7’ to be allowed to waste his time with this.
 
So far this season, Jokic shooting 92% from 3’ in.

70% from 3-10’

72% from 10-16

100%(!!!) from 16-3P (2% of his shots).

Insanity
 
Jokic is insane. Leads the league in rebounds and assists per game, and 5th in points. He could realistically pull off the triple crown (or whatever it's called in the NBA), leading the league in all 3.
 
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HW611 said:
Its just so frustrating watching a guy like Zubac play and wondering why Clingan can't model his game around a guy like that.

So many centers with a 3rd of his talent and doing amazing things in the league just by focusing on the right things.

6 of 27 which is good for 22% this month. On a shot that is 40% of his shots. Makes no sense for a 7’ to be allowed to waste his time with this.
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Clingan doesn’t have the sheer strength Zubac has, and Zubac has better touch around the rim. Although DC hasn’t been shooting well from 3, over the last 5 or so games he hasn’t been shooting well from 2 either.

You look and see Kalkbrenner who dunks everything and is averaging 1.5x DC’s blocks and shooting 40% better from
the field and it kinda bums me out a little. DC needs to dunk more when he is down there because his base is weak right now. You’re almost 7’3, dunk the ball.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Clingan doesn’t have the sheer strength Zubac has, and Zubac has better touch around the rim. Although DC hasn’t been shooting well from 3, over the last 5 or so games he hasn’t been shooting well from 2 either.

You look and see Kalkbrenner who dunks everything and is averaging 1.5x DC’s blocks and shooting 40% better from
the field and it kinda bums me out a little. DC needs to dunk more when he is down there because his base is weak right now. You’re almost 7’3, dunk the ball.
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Donnie ended up 0 for 4 from 3 last night. Maybe I'm just not enough of an NBA guy but that doesn't seem to be using his skillset to it's fullest.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Clingan doesn’t have the sheer strength Zubac has, and Zubac has better touch around the rim. Although DC hasn’t been shooting well from 3, over the last 5 or so games he hasn’t been shooting well from 2 either.

You look and see Kalkbrenner who dunks everything and is averaging 1.5x DC’s blocks and shooting 40% better from
the field and it kinda bums me out a little. DC needs to dunk more when he is down there because his base is weak right now. You’re almost 7’3, dunk the ball.
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Having a weak base would go hand and hand with struggling to make contested dunks.

All that time working on his 3 point shooting over the summer could've went to focusing on touch around the rim. This summer I hope he cuts that nonsense out and takes 1,000 hook shots and take the Zubac, Duren, Allen, etc. route of Bigs.

I'm not sure if there's a single European center that comes into the NBA without a competent post game/touch. They don't skip steps over there.

Clingan has all the ability to control the paint. His full focus needs to be mastering that before thinking about stepping out for a 3.
 
Deepster said:
Donnie ended up 0 for 4 from 3 last night. Maybe I'm just not enough of an NBA guy but that doesn't seem to be using his skillset to it's fullest.
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That just seems to be the way the Blazers want him to play right now. They’re off to a pretty good start, only team to beat the Thunder in fact.

I’m kinda just worried he will never have the ability on the low block, some bigs don’t ever get it really. Drummond never developed it either. It just always looks awkward for DC, he needs an offseason to really work on his base because he is moved too easily and doesn’t move anyone himself.
 
HW611 said:
Having a weak base would go hand and hand with struggling to make contested dunks.

All that time working on his 3 point shooting over the summer could've went to focusing on touch around the rim. This summer I hope he cuts that nonsense out and takes 1,000 hook shots and take the Zubac, Duren, Allen, etc. route of Bigs.

I'm not sure if there's a single European center that comes into the NBA without a competent post game/touch. They don't skip steps over there.

Clingan has all the ability to control the paint. His full focus needs to be mastering that before thinking about stepping out for a 3.
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It must be what the coaches want him to do. Not sure why?
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
That just seems to be the way the Blazers want him to play right now. They’re off to a pretty good start, only team to beat the Thunder in fact.

I’m kinda just worried he will never have the ability on the low block, some bigs don’t ever get it really. Drummond never developed it either. It just always looks awkward for DC, he needs an offseason to really work on his base because he is moved too easily and doesn’t move anyone himself.
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The thing that annoys me about a comment like this is.

He's 7’3 and shooting 19% from 3 right now. That will be excused and encouraged to be worked on. He's clearly investing time in that as a focus. And he's been itching to do this since HS (we've seen the workout clips he's posted showing he can do this in HS).

But you're willing to write off his inside game as a 7’? That doesn't make sense to me.

Andre had similar maturity issues early on in his career where he wanted to show he can be a guard and shoot 3s more than figure out how to use his size and athleticism to dominate the paint.
 
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HW611 said:
The thing that annoys me about a comment like this is.

He's 7’3 and shooting 19% from 3 right now. That will be excused and encouraged to be worked on. He's clearly investing time in that as a focus. And he's been itching to do this since HS (we've seen the workout clips he's posted showing he can do this in HS).

But you're willing to write off his inside game as a 7’? That doesn't make sense to me.

Andre had similar maturity issues early on in his career where he wanted to show he can be a guard and shoot 3s more than figure out how to use his size and athleticism to dominate the paint.
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Again, you’re exaggerating my post. I said I am worried based on what I have seen, not that he simply cannot do it.

Also the last paragraph is incorrect, Andre averaged about 0.5 3PA per game once in his career, and that was 0.6. He just never developed a fluid post game. He became a good passer, if that’s what you want to refer to. But that’s not trying to be a guard.
 
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ctbro1999 said:
Jokic is insane. Leads the league in rebounds and assists per game, and 5th in points. He could realistically pull off the triple crown (or whatever it's called in the NBA), leading the league in all 3.
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Last season he was third in scoring, second in assists, third in rebounds, and second in steals and they didn't even give him the MVP.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Again, you’re exaggerating my post. I said I am worried based on what I have seen, not that he simply cannot do it.

Also the last paragraph is incorrect, Andre averaged about 0.5 3PA per game once in his career, and that was 0.6. He just never developed a fluid post game. He became a good passer, if that’s what you want to refer to. But that’s not trying to be a guard.
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He didn't play during a time that would let him take more. But if you followed his career (and even look at his HS film) you see him doing a lot of things where he tries to play like a big guard. He was jealous of Embiid at a point too and tried to develop his own 3 point game that coaches never let him use because, yeah get your big behind in the paint.

Clingan can be successful in the post if he put the time and energy into making that a focus. But that has to be his priority that he's serious about. Not wanting to be Steph.

Even when you look at some of the greatest stretch Bigs (Dirk and Jokic), they are also some of the greatest low post players ever, too. Especially in the midrange (Dirk’s one legged fade away, Jokic is literally shooting 70+% from midrange this year).

They didn't just automatically go to shooting 3s. Which is why it's so frustrating to see him even attempting these when his post game is lacking so much right now.

Hurley tried to teach him that here. But now that he's in the NBA he's trying to prove he could've been doing it all along instead of worrying about what made him so successful in the first place. Hurley was right to completely shut that down while he was here and have him focus on what he did.

@RuffRuff want to make sure I get credit for this!
 
HW611 said:
He didn't play during a time that would let him take more. But if you followed his career (and even look at his HS film) you see him doing a lot of things where he tries to play like a big guard. He was jealous of Embiid at a point too and tried to develop his own 3 point game that coaches never let him use because, yeah get your big behind in the paint.

Clingan can be successful in the post if he put the time and energy into making that a focus. But that has to be his priority that he's serious about. Not wanting to be Steph.

Even when you look at some of the greatest stretch Bigs (Dirk and Jokic), they are also some of the greatest low post players ever, too. Especially in the midrange (Dirk’s one legged fade away, Jokic is literally shooting 70+% from midrange this year).

They didn't just automatically go to shooting 3s. Which is why it's so frustrating to see him even attempting these when his post game is lacking so much right now.

Hurley tried to teach him that here. But now that he's in the NBA he's trying to prove he could've been doing it all along instead of worrying about what made him so successful in the first place. Hurley was right to completely shut that down while he was here and have him focus on what he did.

@RuffRuff want to make sure I get credit for this!
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He didn’t need to because our spacing and offense was on such a level that there were simply better shots everywhere. NBA is totally different. And again, he’s not out there trying to “prove” he can do it as if he’s on a mission, the team wants him to take them obviously. He isn’t Jokic or Dirk where he can take guys off the dribble, so his game is gonna be within 3 feet of the rim and on the 3 point line inherently.
 
HW611 said:
Clingan can be successful in the post if he put the time and energy into making that a focus. But that has to be his priority that he's serious about. Not wanting to be Steph.
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I'm not even sure he's going to be great in the low post. I always felt he was at his best running screen and rolls, passing into back cuts, getting lobs. More in motion stuff rather than back to the basket or posting up. Then again, I'm a short fat fiftysomething.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
He didn’t need to because our spacing and offense was on such a level that there were simply better shots everywhere. NBA is totally different. And again, he’s not out there trying to “prove” he can do it as if he’s on a mission, the team wants him to take them obviously. He isn’t Jokic or Dirk where he can take guys off the dribble, so his game is gonna be within 3 feet of the rim and on the 3 point line inherently.
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I don't know if there's anybody in the NBA who's game was ever built like this. Only guy I can think of off the top of my head is Okur.

The guys who tried to do this previously were players like Bol Bol and Mo Bamba.
 
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