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Naismith Late Season 20

maccca3232 said:
Destiny Solcum's performances in Tier 1 games is sub par to say the least.
In 7 games she is averaging 13.6 PPG and 4.4 APG but on 38.4 FG% and 27.6 3FG% (i.e. 43.0 eFG%).

Chennedy Carter's performances in Tier 1 games, while not as bad, are still underwhelming.
In 5 games she is averaging 22.4 PPG but with 4.6 TO on 36.7 FG%, 38.9 3FG% (i.e. 43.9 eFG%).

They would be my first two out and I can only assume they are included as they are the 2 best underclassman.

Also agree I would include Jackie Young over Crystal Dangerfield.
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22.4 ppg vs Tier 1 is underwhelming? I don't know how to get the Tier 1 filtered data, so I'd be curious about how this compares to the others on the list. Carter is leading the SEC in scoring.

Having just finished Michael Lewis' book "The Undoing Project", I know that conventional bball stats are far from ideal for comparing player value. But it's not clear to me that basketball advanced stats are as well-developed as they are for baseball. Team games with all the stuff that doesn't show up in the box score are just harder.

My feeling on Pivec and Young and Howard is that they're all excellent players who I don't think are at all obvious as replacements for the players on the list. Regarding the choices for the SEC, I don't have a problem with McCowan, Cunningham, and Carter. Those are the three Gary Blair talks about in terms of which players in the conference dominate the game planning by opposing coaches.
 
maccca3232 said:
Destiny Solcum's performances in Tier 1 games is sub par to say the least.
In 7 games she is averaging 13.6 PPG and 4.4 APG but on 38.4 FG% and 27.6 3FG% (i.e. 43.0 eFG%).

Chennedy Carter's performances in Tier 1 games, while not as bad, are still underwhelming.
In 5 games she is averaging 22.4 PPG but with 4.6 TO on 36.7 FG%, 38.9 3FG% (i.e. 43.9 eFG%).

They would be my first two out and I can only assume they are included as they are the 2 best underclassman.

Also agree I would include Jackie Young over Crystal Dangerfield.
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Destiny Slocum's potential is off the charts. She is just not a finished product...yet. By this time next year, Rueck will have a 1st team AA on his squad.
 
biobioprof said:
22.4 ppg vs Tier 1 is underwhelming? I don't know how to get the Tier 1 filtered data, so I'd be curious about how this compares to the others on the list. Carter is leading the SEC in scoring.
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I have tweeted Her Hoops with a suggestion to add a 'Tier' filter (hopefully they will) but presently I calculate in a spreadsheet.

Pasted below are stats from Tier 1 games for all players on the Wooden Late Season list for comparison (sorted by Efficiency rating).

Wooden Late Season list in Tier 1 Games.png


Note: Tier 1 games are defined as:
  • Home vs RPI Top 30
  • Neutral vs RPI Top 50
  • Away vs RPI Top 75
 
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Also pasted below are stats from Tier 1 games for 2 other high scoring players who are not on the Wooden Late Season list for comparison to Chennedy Carter (sorted by Efficiency rating).

Volume Scorers in Tier 1 Games.png
 
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mbr33ct said:
So quick to swap out Crystal Dangerfied for Jackie Young. Looking at their cumulative stats (YTD) (see attached) frankly neither one stands head and shoulders above from one other (too close to call as they say).

What are we talking about, 14.6 ppg vs 13.4 ppg? Jackie has a definite advantage over Crystal in Rebounds and Total FG%. Crystal is more of a 3-point shooter than Jackie, comparing only the 2-point% of each, .554 (Crystal) to .571 (Jackie)...if anything these tired eyes say, either both are mentioned in this Naismith 20 or both stay off this list. I don't buy the argument " I would include Jackie over Dangerfiel" theory.

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Pasted below are stats from Tier 1 games for both Dangerfield and Young for comparison (sorted by Efficiency rating).

Wooden Late Season list in Tier 1 Games Young vs Dangerfield.png
 
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I guess Megan Gustafsons 41 pt 14 Rb gem last night helped.:)
 
Gustafson is making a charge but has there ever been a POY in WCBA history that has been on a team ranked outside the top 10?
 
bbballfan23 said:
Gustafson is making a charge but has there ever been a POY in WCBA history that has been on a team ranked outside the top 10?
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Kelsey Plum won it in the 2016–2017 season and her team finished #12/#11 in the polls. And they lost in the Sweet 16. The Highest rank Washington received that year was 7th in Week 12, but then they lost to #10 Stanford.
 
CBus13 said:
Kelsey Plum won it in the 2016–2017 season and her team finished #12/#11 in the polls. And they lost in the Sweet 16. The Highest rank Washington received that year was 7th in Week 12, but then they lost to #10 Stanford.
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Thanks. Kelsey Plum also got a ton of media coverage all season with her big performances & was known to be the #1 pick all year. She was very entertaining to showcase.
 
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What about Aja Wilson and South Carolina last year? Can't recall if they were a top 10 team or not but they never seemed anything like a title contender.
 
nwhoopfan said:
What about Aja Wilson and South Carolina last year? Can't recall if they were a top 10 team or not but they never seemed anything like a title contender.
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They were right around #7 or #8 toward the end of the regular season.
 
nwhoopfan said:
What about Aja Wilson and South Carolina last year? Can't recall if they were a top 10 team or not but they never seemed anything like a title contender.
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The lowest they were that season was Number 10 week 11, after losing to Tennessee. They didn't really have any big wins that regular season, their highest ranked win was against #11 Missouri (who beat them previously that season) but they ended up winning the SEC tournament against Mississippi State, . So they ended the season ranked 7th. Not sure if it was justified based on their regular season until they beat Mississippi State, but I think a lot of credit and respect was given to A'ja and Dawn when it came to voting. They lost back to back games against UConn (56–83) and MSU (53–67) and they didn't drop in rankings from Number 7.
 
I input the stats for the top players from all the Top 40 RPI teams (between 3 to 5 players each team) into my spreadsheet to see players from a range of conferences.

Stats from Tier 1 games up to and including 14 Feb 2019.
  • Green = players mentioned in the thread including Pivec.
  • Red = players in Top 25 Mid Season list but not in Top 20 Late Season list.
  • Blue = players added since previous post.

Wooden Late Season list + Selected in Tier 1 Games Week 14.png


Note: Tier 1 games are defined as:
  • Home vs RPI Top 30
  • Neutral vs RPI Top 50
  • Away vs RPI Top 75
 
maccca3232 said:
I input the stats for the top players from all the Top 40 RPI teams (between 3 to 5 players each team) into my spreadsheet to see players from a range of conferences.

Stats from Tier 1 games up to and including 14 Feb 2019.
  • Green = players mentioned in the thread including Pivec.
  • Red = players in Top 25 Mid Season list but not in Top 20 Late Season list.
  • Blue = players added since previous post.

View attachment 39706

Note: Tier 1 games are defined as:
  • Home vs RPI Top 30
  • Neutral vs RPI Top 50
  • Away vs RPI Top 75
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Thank you very much for this effort! I know it requires a fair bit of work. I'm curious where Marina Mabrey fits into this table, as the rest of the Irish starters are in the upper half.
 
Fightin Choke said:
Thank you very much for this effort! I know it requires a fair bit of work. I'm curious where Marina Mabrey fits into this table, as the rest of the Irish starters are in the upper half.
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Here the top 5 players for each of the Top 6 teams.

Stats from Tier 1 games up to and including 14 Feb 2019.
  • Green = players mentioned in the thread including Pivec.
  • Red = players in Top 25 Mid Season list but not in Top 20 Late Season list.
  • Blue = players added since previous post.
Wooden Late Season list + Selected in Tier 1 Games Week 14 Top 6 Revised.png


Note: Tier 1 games are defined as:
  • Home vs RPI Top 30
  • Neutral vs RPI Top 50
  • Away vs RPI Top 75
Revised: Add AEH showing stats for: Post-Bibby injury, Overall and Pre-Bibby injury.
 
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