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The people on here criticizing Warde are duck*ing stupid.

This is great news, though. Particularly since it likely means no more contract extension threads.

really? whats so bright about what warde is doing? please enlighten me? the media? the marketing? the student stuff? the contracts drawn out? the puck upgrade then silence? the fball staff? and 100 other fuckin things? tell me sweet jessu what this guy is doing right? he went to the media to talk CR and made it painfully obvious that susan handles that. its fine with me she does, but since thats the case he should have kept his mouth shut or had a prepared line to say, he can't even go on the radio without somehting happeneing. caller 1-hey warde, do u like jeyy or sprinkles? oh and your only fball coach that matters just left for bsoton college and hes taking the exact same job, not a upgrade position wise. by(hangup).

u guys who dont see the fire are out of your minds.

This is the issue. Warde FELT (and I stress "felt") that it would look like he wasn't in control. But you and I disagree on what is a bad way for an AD to run a department. I think it is much worse for someone to run a department based on what he believes the perception of him will be. And if Warde was truly smart about it, he would have realized that he just received a free consultation from one of the best basketball people in the country. Since he's not a basketball guy, he should have taken the free consultation and worked out a contract just based on that information. But instead, as you alluded to, he cared more about how it would look...

...here's another question for Warde or anyone else who thinks Warde handled it properly: Does he really think that Jim Calhoun would jeopardize his legacy at UConn just for a favor to a friend? Anyone that has been around competitive Calhoun for more than five minutes should know that the answer to the question is "No."

thank you, i will never write correctly or kindly on here but u do and ppl who have a brain can read your stuff and make sense of it. u get it, it amazes me others dont. anyone who keeps trying excuse after excuse and finally gets to the warde vs jc thing needs to suck another cock. its unreal to think jc wants this program to die. so it was all the rockstar ego and hes gling to hide it with every excuse possible. i just can't want this man out of this state enough. ppl when he was hired here loved it. i remember ppl jumping all over me in the thread on the fball board about notjumping thru hoops about him. he has turned uconn into a huge dumpster fire in a few short months.
 
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I'm not thrilled with the way this all played out either, but a lot of that has to do with the way Calhoun handled retirement.

JC ultimately got exactly what he wanted, and he knew exactly how to play it. Let's hope it plays out better for us than it did for UNC in the immediate post-Dean Smith era.
 

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This is the issue. Warde FELT (and I stress "felt") that it would look like he wasn't in control. But you and I disagree on what is a bad way for an AD to run a department. I think it is much worse for someone to run a department based on what he believes the perception of him will be. And if Warde was truly smart about it, he would have realized that he just received a free consultation from one of the best basketball people in the country. Since he's not a basketball guy, he should have taken the free consultation and worked out a contract just based on that information. But instead, as you alluded to, he cared more about how it would look...

...here's another question for Warde or anyone else who thinks Warde handled it properly: Does he really think that Jim Calhoun would jeopardize his legacy at UConn just for a favor to a friend? Anyone that has been around competitive Calhoun for more than five minutes should know that the answer to the question is "No."
That's a fair point. But you are talking about a guy who was just hired who did need to prove he was in charge. Giving the impression of rolling over for anyone, even a legend like Calhoun, is not a way anyone would want to start a job.
 

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thank you, i will never write correctly or kindly on here but u do and ppl who have a brain can read your stuff and make sense of it. u get it, it amazes me others dont. anyone who keeps trying excuse after excuse and finally gets to the warde vs jc thing needs to suck another rooster. its unreal to think jc wants this program to die. so it was all the rockstar ego and hes gling to hide it with every excuse possible.

I appreciate the compliment, HFD!
 
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David Borges (@DaveBorges)
12/29/12, 4:22 PM
Jim Calhoun not here today. FIrst #UConn game he's missed this season, I believe. He's in Florida on a family vacation.

Sure some would speculate " point advantage Manuel".
 

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That's a fair point. But you are talking about a guy who was just hired who did need to prove he was in charge. Giving the impression of rolling over for anyone, even a legend like Calhoun, is not a way anyone would want to start a job.

But that's my point. He DIDN'T need to prove he was in charge. He was in charge. And since he was in charge, there were two ways to handle it; give Ollie a multi-year deal immediately (even if it was as few as 3 years), or find someone else. He chose to do what he did, and it's clear to me and many others in the media that it wasn't the right path to take.

It would not have made him look like he was rolling over. It would have made him look like he was letting a Hall of Famer go out on his own terms. A short multi-year deal would have allowed him to make the change if needed, and nobody would have thought less of him. What makes him look silly, in my opinion, is to make it appear as though academics were the concern here. That's truly a farce, especially if the rumor is true that he has included APR numbers in the contract anyways...
 
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Finally!!! We're finally getting back to business as an athletic program. Hopefully we go 2-0 today with the men and women!
Dan, what's with the old vs new Chemistry buildings?
 

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^ all warde needed to do was have a small buyout in the contract after 2 years if things didn't work out to save himself and no one could argue that day if it came. we all knew it wouldn't but as a just in case. instead warde puffed his chest with powder and we have the fire we have 2day.
 
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David Borges (@DaveBorges)
12/29/12, 4:25 PM
Ollie contract: base salary $400,000 for '13, $800,000 for speaking/media engagements, total of $1.2 million

Note - Same base salary as PP.

David Borges (@DaveBorges)
12/29/12, 4:26 PM
Kevin Ollie total compensation: $`1.2 mill for 2013, $1.25 mill for 2014, $1.3 mill for 2015, $1.35 mill for 2016, 1.4 mill. for 2017 ...

David Borges (@DaveBorges)
12/29/12, 4:26 PM
... $502,000 for 2018 (annualized from Jan. 1-April 15) #uconn
 

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Dan, what's with the old vs new Chemistry buildings?

The one to the left is how I earned my BS in chemistry. The one to the right is where I did post-graduate work. I was using it as a way to show people who were down on the current state of UConn that things are continuing to get better....much better....and that the dark cloud will soon be on its way somewhere else.
 

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I guess I fundamentally disagree Dan. Won't go line by line but given the public perception of UConn outside of our state's borders - fair or unfair, APR or Calhoun looming over the program or whatever - I think this was the right way to go. Especially if we want to be considered for B1G admission in the future. I have to think that WM knew what he was asking KO to do, KO knew what WM was asking him to do, so what's the need to tell the world in a press conference??? That's not how people handle their biz, at least in well-run institutions. The athletic director can't think exclusively short term (in the long run losing 1 or 2 recruits does not hurt UConn because we are bigger and better than that) and also shouldn't be worried exclusively about what the fans think / say. I do think the athletic department can do better PR-wise as has been discussed ad nauseum. But the grades / APR thing is a HUGE part of UConn's perception, even if it's been years since it was really a problem... so it's absolutely essential that KO had to prove himself as a leader in this department. And I disagree that that's unfair to KO... he's a man (he's 40!) and he knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed up for the job.

But the thing that gets me is that people reacting to the KO situation are behaving as if the MBB program can't handle a few months of public uncertainty (and we now know there wasn't as much uncertainty in the athletic department about KO - looking back at some of Jacob's pieces). I mean... uncertainty about the conference situation hurts us for sure, and I admit I had days where I wondered how UConn was going to get through it. But 99% of the angst in regards to the contract situation is, IMHO, fan-generated. I think we should look to how KO reacted and carried himself through this semester as a model for how UConn is going to persevere and stay positive.

PS - you can still have a bone to pick with Warde on other issues. I just feel some folks are trying to use the contract as a wedge issue, and now that it's been sorted out I don't think it's too productive. If you want to ding Warde on the other stuff then by all means make the case on the other stuff...
 

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Is the presser going to be broadcast on SNY?
 

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But that's my point. He DIDN'T need to prove he was in charge. He was in charge. And since he was in charge, there were two ways to handle it; give Ollie a multi-year deal immediately (even if it was as few as 3 years), or find someone else. He chose to do what he did, and it's clear to me and many others in the media that it wasn't the right path to take.

It would not have made him look like he was rolling over. It would have made him look like he was letting a Hall of Famer go out on his own terms. A short multi-year deal would have allowed him to make the change if needed, and nobody would have thought less of him. What makes him look silly, in my opinion, is to make it appear as though academics were the concern here. That's truly a farce, especially if the rumor is true that he has included APR numbers in the contract anyways...
I'm with you until the part about academics. We may all think it's a farce, it may be a farce, but PR does matter. UConn's image on this issue is terrible right now (unfairly, I know), and letting people think that grades played a part in this decision isn't the worst thing.
 

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I guess I fundamentally disagree Dan. Won't go line by line but given the public perception of UConn outside of our state's borders - fair or unfair, APR or Calhoun looming over the program or whatever - I think this was the right way to go. Especially if we want to be considered for B1G admission in the future. I have to think that WM knew what he was asking KO to do, KO knew what WM was asking him to do, so what's the need to tell the world in a press conference??? That's not how people handle their biz, at least in well-run institutions. The athletic director can't think exclusively short term (in the long run losing 1 or 2 recruits does not hurt UConn because we are bigger and better than that) and also shouldn't be worried exclusively about what the fans think / say. I do think the athletic department can do better PR-wise as has been discussed ad nauseum. But the grades / APR thing is a HUGE part of UConn's perception, even if it's been years since it was really a problem... so it's absolutely essential that KO had to prove himself as a leader in this department. And I disagree that that's unfair to KO... he's a man (he's 40!) and he knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed up for the job.

But the thing that gets me is that people reacting to the KO situation are behaving as if the MBB program can't handle a few months of public uncertainty (and we now know there wasn't as much uncertainty in the athletic department about KO - looking back at some of Jacob's pieces). I mean... uncertainty about the conference situation hurts us for sure, and I admit I had days where I wondered how UConn was going to get through it. But 99% of the angst in regards to the contract situation is, IMHO, fan-generated. I think we should look to how KO reacted and carried himself through this semester as a model for how UConn is going to persevere and stay positive.

PS - you can still have a bone to pick with Warde on other issues. I just feel some folks are trying to use the contract as a wedge issue, and now that it's been sorted out I don't think it's too productive. If you want to ding Warde on the other stuff then by all means make the case on the other stuff...

First, we both agree that Ollie handled the entire situation with class. No doubt about it.

Secondly, if you believe that this was about academics, and it seems based on what you wrote that you do, then I would have follow-up questions for you.

1) If he was going to put a provision into the contract for APR performance, why would he need to wait for the first semester's grades to be released?
2) Did he believe that players like Olander, Boatright, Napier, Giffey, Wolf, Evans (H.C.), Daniels, and everyone else that's back from last year would not continue their adequate academic performance without Calhoun there? If so, why?

Finally, I disagree with you that losing 1 or 2 recruits doesn't affect a program. Of course it affects a program. Especially a program with an extremely uncertain conference future. Let's just hope that we are good enough to make our way through it...
 
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Don't understand this thread. We've had thread after thread pleading for WM to step up and give KO his deal, now he's got a very lucrative 5 year deal that should give the program stability and some of ya'll are still going nuts. I wanted KO signed long term from jump but I understood WM's position on holding out. I don't think the affect on recruiting was that substantial, we were not in great position for any bigs and that is where the team needs the most help anyway. Guys like XRM(who i don't think was coming anyway) and Austin play the same position as guys we have now who are expected to be back, they are not make or break recruits and we are in position to get elite guys at those positions in '14. The program is in good hands with KO in charge, no use in arguing about the events of the past few months, lets move forward.
 

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I'm with you until the part about academics. We may all think it's a farce, it may be a farce, but PR does matter. UConn's image on this issue is terrible right now (unfairly, I know), and letting people think that grades played a part in this decision isn't the worst thing.

You don't believe that the PR would have been properly taken care of through the provision in the contract on APR standards which is reported to be in there anyway?
 

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I guess I fundamentally disagree Dan. Won't go line by linei will for fun:D but given the public perception of UConn outside of our state's borders - fair or unfair, APR or Calhoun looming over the program or whatever - I think this was the right way to go. Especially if we want to be considered for B1G admission ok and unc is still a easy add considering what happened there and psu didn't get kicked out for what happened there and nebraska was voted out why and so on... in the future. I have to think that WM knew what he was asking KO to do, KO knew what WM was asking him to do, if thats the case then u come out on day 1 and define that to the fanbase, u also then dont have players questioning it(bazz) and getting torn apart every night by media during games-thats a idiot aproach media wise, just unreal to think. so what's the need to tell the world in a press conference??? That's not how people handle their biz, at least in well-run institutions. we are not a well run ad right now, thats for sureThe athletic director can't think exclusively short term when the league around u is dying and your fball is gross u have to think both long and short, warde was thinking neither. the recruits we missed on aren't just short term, they could be here potentiall for the next 4 years. thats not short term. (in the long run losing 1 or 2 recruits does not hurt UConn because we are bigger and better than that) and also shouldn't be worried exclusively about what the fans think / say. I do think the athletic department can do better PR-wise as has been discussed ad nauseum. yuuuuppppBut the grades / APR thing is a HUGE part of UConn's perception, even if it's been years since it was really a problem... so it's absolutely essential that KO had to prove himself as a leader in this department. this is where we split off, ko is a bball coach, not the bball coach, tutor and teacher. And I disagree that that's unfair to KO... he's a man (he's 40!) and he knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed up for the job.

But the thing that gets me is that people reacting to the KO situation are behaving as if the MBB program can't handle a few months of public uncertainty (and we now know there wasn't as much uncertainty in the athletic department about KO - looking back at some of Jacob's pieces) its not about the mbball for a few months, its that everyhting things else literally everything else is a fire, so ppl will look to the bread and butter of a school in hard times. to add to thatright now we have a pot season ban so its hard to look at bball either, so for those who still do just hoping for anything sunny, then then see warde around with the ko contract. another dagger simple as that. . I mean... uncertainty about the conference situation hurts us for sure, and I admit I had days where I wondered how UConn was going to get through it. But 99% of the angst in regards to the contract situation is, IMHO, fan-generated. when clown asses like dickie v rip your school about a contract in front of millions on tv, its not just the fanbase with a issue.I think we should look to how KO reacted and carried himself through this semester as a model for how UConn is going to persevere and stay positive. i wish ko chocked him to death with donuts.

PS - you can still have a bone to pick with Warde on other issues. I just feel some folks are trying to use the contract as a wedge issue, and now that it's been sorted out I don't think it's too productive. If you want to ding Warde on the other stuff then by all means make the case on the other stuff...
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For those who say KO had no head coaching experience - neither did most assistant coaches who were upgraded, which would probably include 90% of D1 head coaches at the start of their head coaching careers.

Glad this is resolved, but WM handled it very poorly. Hopefully this will be a turning point for WM and he'll start delivering results on the scheduling, marketing and conference realignment fronts.
 
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Didn't read the whole thread, but did the grades play a large role in this? How did the team do academically?
 
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You don't believe that the PR would have been properly taken care of through the provision in the contract on APR standards which is reported to be in there anyway?

“@DaveBorges: Two straight years of APR of 930 or less could get Kevin Ollie fired, or have pay suspended. #UConn”
 

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“@DaveBorges: Two straight years of APR of 930 or less could get Kevin Ollie fired, or have pay suspended. #UConn”

Exactly! So then there was absolutely no academic reason to wait for the semester's end...
 
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