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More trouble in ACC paradise?

freescooter said:
They had a string of really good coaches beginning in the mid-1960s with Cousy, Chuck Daley, Tom Davis, Gary Williams and Jim O’ Brien. Even Skinner was solid. It has been a complete mess since Skinner was pushed out.
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Seems like it used to be a decent stepping-stone job. Now it's just a lump of coal. I'm sure those southeastern programs enjoy flying to mass to play in that junior high school atmosphere
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
"Earl Grant is 27-55 in ACC play since being hired ahead of the 2021-22 season".

That alone shows how little BC cares about basketball.
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I'm actually very impressed he's gotten to 27 ACC wins. That is significantly more than I figured he would get to.
 
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CTFAN4LIFE said:
"Earl Grant is 27-55 in ACC play since being hired ahead of the 2021-22 season".

That alone shows how little BC cares about basketball.
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BC's ACC records since joining the conference:

football 52-86
men's basketball 118-248
women's basketball 97-238
baseball 197-382

The more recent records for football and men's basketball are even worse if you exclude the first few years in the conference as Tom O'Brien and Jeff Jags were 21-11 and Al Skinner was 40-40 in conference play.
 
Kolumbo said:
maybe if they scratched together an all-Mass conference a couple of programs might get some Ws.

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Missed dunks and air balls in the pre game shoot around? Is it any wonder the place is empty?
 
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CTFAN4LIFE said:
True, but I think it's more likely they will be in the B1G.
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I agree. I see it more likely Miami joins BIG. Similar school as USC. This also gives BIG access to Florida with this move. I also think BIG would be interested in FSU as well.
 
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Rdkid said:
Miami - “Thanks FSU and Clemson for doing the work on this arrangement - and OBE programs for not being deserving of a cut”
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The UNC president effectively said that the same thing right after the settlement. Basically USF and Clemson spent all the time and money necessary to clean up the ACC GOR. UNC knows it will be the beneficiary of that
 
I also agree with Miami to the B1G. The SEC has no reason to add Miami. There are several schools ahead of Miami that would better benefit the SEC.

Meanwhile, Miami provides more value to the B1G. (So does Florida State).

North Carolina and Virginia provide the most value to the SEC. (Those schools also provide value to the B1G, but I think the SEC gets them).
 
Rufus said:
I also agree with Miami to the B1G. The SEC has no reason to add Miami. There are several schools ahead of Miami that would better benefit the SEC.

Meanwhile, Miami provides more value to the B1G. (So does Florida State).

North Carolina and Virginia provide the most value to the SEC. (Those schools also provide value to the B1G, but I think the SEC gets them).
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Whelp, the SEC had 5 teams in the CFP and the ACC had one. Which conference made it to the CFP finals
 
SEC: UNC, UVa.
Big Ten: Cal, Stanford, Miami and....
(I know people talk UNC, Virginia, Duke, etc., but Georgia Tech checks some AAU boxes too.)
Big 12: As many as they want out of NC State, VT, GTech, Pitt, or Louisville
Leftovers: Wake, SMU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC
 
DFW HOYA said:
SEC: UNC, UVa.
Big Ten: Cal, Stanford, Miami and....
(I know people talk UNC, Virginia, Duke, etc., but Georgia Tech checks some AAU boxes too.)
Big 12: As many as they want out of NC State, VT, GTech, Pitt, or Louisville
Leftovers: Wake, SMU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC
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So you have FSU and Clemson going to the Big12?
 
DFW HOYA said:
SEC: UNC, UVa.
Big Ten: Cal, Stanford, Miami and....
(I know people talk UNC, Virginia, Duke, etc., but Georgia Tech checks some AAU boxes too.)
Big 12: As many as they want out of NC State, VT, GTech, Pitt, or Louisville
Leftovers: Wake, SMU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC
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I am getting the feeling that the P4 are beginning to see the folly in these oversize conferences. So I would actually increase the odds that the ACC holds together.

I could be wrong.

Also Nobody is leaving for the Big 12.
 
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DFW HOYA said:
SEC: UNC, UVa.
Big Ten: Cal, Stanford, Miami and....
(I know people talk UNC, Virginia, Duke, etc., but Georgia Tech checks some AAU boxes too.)
Big 12: As many as they want out of NC State, VT, GTech, Pitt, or Louisville
Leftovers: Wake, SMU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC
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The Big 12 isn’t poaching anyone.

And all of the movement theories might be undercut by financial reality….someone is going to have to agree to pay, say, UNC $50M a year more than they are paying them now. Or, if you’re ESPN, do you really want Virginia at $80M in the SEC when you have them now for half that? Probably not.

I don’t see where the appetite for that is going to come from a system that’s already tapping out.
 
Fishy said:
The Big 12 isn’t poaching anyone.

And all of the movement theories might be undercut by financial reality….someone is going to have to agree to pay, say, UNC $50M a year more than they are paying them now. Or, if you’re ESPN, do you really want Virginia at $80M in the SEC when you have them now for half that? Probably not.

I don’t see where the appetite for that is going to come from a system that’s already tapping out.
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Depends if you are ESPN and take the top 4 teams that are almost 50% of the TV ratings of the ACC and just let ACC implode and not renew the ACC contract then ESPN would save a significant amount of money. Example there is very limited interest in seeing BC, Wake Forest, and Duke play football. Attendance and TV ratings verify this.
 
ZooCougar said:
I am getting the feeling that the P4 are beginning to see the folly in these oversize conferences. So I would actually increase the odds that the ACC holds together.

I could be wrong.

Also Nobody is leaving for the Big 12.
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Look as more cable companies lose consumers, and espn, and fox have to find new outlets for money the likelihood of giving
out greater amounts of money for new contracts will drop. And paying more to move pieces around isn't going to happen.
 
Fishy said:
The Big 12 isn’t poaching anyone.

And all of the movement theories might be undercut by financial reality….someone is going to have to agree to pay, say, UNC $50M a year more than they are paying them now. Or, if you’re ESPN, do you really want Virginia at $80M in the SEC when you have them now for half that? Probably not.

I don’t see where the appetite for that is going to come from a system that’s already tapping out.
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ESPN might (and likely would) be willing to pay a school a premium if it meant that it would, as a consequence of their departure, pay the remaining (nonproductive) schools in the conference a substantial reduction such that it's overall cost for product was reduced. This same approach was the underpinning of its financing the Big East raids.

Faced with a potential PAC-12-ing of the ACC, the strongest of the weak sisters left in the conference might (and likely would) find the big 12 more attractive.

Yes, the system is "tapping out", but the consolidation of the existing conference system is a part of that process. What you see as an extension of the existing system, I see as its death throes.
 
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CL82 said:
ESPN might (and likely would) be willing to pay a school a premium if it meant that it would, as a consequence of their departure, pay the remaining (nonproductive) schools in the conference a substantial reduction such that it's overall cost for product was reduced. This same approach was the underpinning of its financing the Big East raids.

Faced with a potential PAC-12-ing of the ACC, the strongest of the weak sisters left in the conference might (and likely would) find the big 12 more attractive.

Yes, the system is "tapping out", but the consolidation of the existing conference system is a part of that process. What you see as an extension of the existing system, I see as its death throes.
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The Big East situation is not analogous and it was not a consideration for ESPN. ESPN offered the Big East a generous extension and got turned down for its trouble. We need to stop making up stories about what happened.

Far different situation for the ACC. The ACC is essentially owned by ESPN and ESPN is in the business of broadcasting sports content…difficult to do if you act like a wishcasting message board poster and sabotage one of your own media properties.

Unlike the Big East who was out of contract and probably not better than ESPN’s fifth or sixth best option amongst conferences at the time, the ACC actually matters to them.
 
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