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More praise for Andre Jackson

intlzncster said:
Etymologically speaking the term 'Otay' is actually a colloquial derivation of the word 'okay' (also spelled 'OK').

It was first introduced into the Cultural Collective Unconscious (CCU) by a character on a late night comedy sketch show called Saturday Night Live (SNL) The character named Buckwheat, played by the great and notorious comedian Edward (Eddie) Murphy., featured enormous buck teeth and slightly stupid accent/vernacular that would be considered both racist and a bigoted towards the mentally challenged in 2019. When Eddie left SNL, the character died, and the term faded from public use. As did the show a few years after that.

The colloquialism experienced a resurgence a decade or so later when again popularized by modern political commentator/comedian Jonathon (Jon) Stewart.

Very important to note that, according to Urban Dictionary:

A different way of saying 'Okay'. You will most likely make someone very mad if you use it often.​

"Otay, I will eat that cookie. Otay, I can do your homework. Otay, I wil-" (gets shot)​
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OTAY Panky.
 
RichZ said:
I'm sorry, but I've seen that stare down move before -- two fists in front of the nut sack while bouncing up and down backwards -- and it always bothers me. I just looks stupid.
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I thought he was actually grabbing his balls which would require a lifetime of apologies. He was only showing off how big they are. I got it now.
 
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intlzncster said:
Absolutely. I deleted it from copy/paste. This thread would go south so fast...

Had a chuckle when I read it again.
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I had to look it up. Holy crap first thing I thought of was that incident with that woman at that AOC event ranting about climate and eating children!!
 
fleudslipcon said:
Each one of us have different issues that affect us strongly or weakly in a positive or negative way as well as issues that we have zero concern about. Hence the difference of opinions you so frequently observe expressed in this thread, forum and elsewhere.

Humanity has always been polarized by various issues. However there has never been a time or place in history that has afforded large numbers of people the ease to express their opinions to so many other people which augments polarization over issues.

Life has always been an anomaly in a universe predicated on entropy. Our species has some additional tensions as a result of our biology.

Given our relative physical inadequacies compared to other species plus the long dependency needed for our offspring to survive we turned to tribal existence. However unlike other social animals we have the added advantage of cognitive awareness that works for us when we agree and against us when we disagree.

In general adolescence is programmed to change the family (tribal) dynamic from dependency for survival to independence and the ability to begin ones own tribe.

That process creates synergies and disharmonies dependent on conditions. The family BE made Syracuse our ally relative to the ACC and Duke at the same time it was our sibling rival in the BE. When Syracuse joined the ACC they became one of our most hated teams because they were the sibling we had our greatest arguments with plus they aligned themselves with the tribe we most disliked.

In the tribe called the Boneyard we have a common bond. In the case of this forum it’s the UConn men’s basketball team. But each of us simultaneously belong to several other tribes which we may or may not share common ideas.

I’m not writing anything that the majority of us don’t understand. I’m expressing the fundamental underlying tension that frequently gets buried when we get emotionally caught up over an issue. In the case of decorum there is certainly some aspect of “old tribe” (parents) versus new tribe (children) but quite a few children actually are comfortable with the parents point of view about certain decorums and are defending their parents viewpoints in this thread.

In an era of sound bites (the negative outcome of an abundance of stimuli) we often misdirect our grievances. In an era where many of us have more time for expression because less time is dependent on survival we have the opportunity to be more argumentative or judgmental over issues that are personal to us. And that’s the salient point. What happened in our lives that makes us view an issue the way we do. I’m not arguing against the objective examination of an issue. I’m recommending a reflection of ourselves while we make our arguments.
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Buzzkill! I completely forgot the original post after reading this. On to the next one.
 
RJ Cole
Jalen Gaffney
James Bouknight
Andre Jackson
Akok Akok
I would love to see these guys on the same floor together
We getting back to that UConn basketball.
 
JMick said:
If you knew anything about Tyson you'd know that the people around him really messed up his psychology. Hard to put that on what was essentially a kid.
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I'm not blaming Mike for his tough life. Just teasing those that would make him a model for demeanor. I thought biting an ear was a bit much.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Stupid is the perfect word.

The man was the youngest champion and has one of the longest title defense streaks in the division.

That's not a waste of talent. Arguing otherwise lacks reason and intelligence.
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Hey Wing,
I'd you don't think Tyson wasted some of his enormous talent because he was an emotional mess, fine.
but leave the name calling out of it.
happy Holidays!
 
WingU-Conn said:
Stupid is the perfect word.

The man was the youngest champion and has one of the longest title defense streaks in the division.

That's not a waste of talent. Arguing otherwise lacks reason and intelligence.
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based on your statement alone; your facts testify of the greatness of talent but do not address the flameout that demonstrates a waste of that talent. two words for those who say he did not waste his talent; Buster Douglas.
 
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JMick said:
If you knew anything about Tyson you'd know that the people around him really messed up his psychology. Hard to put that on what was essentially a kid.
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If you knew anything about Mike Tyson you know he was an extremely troubled kid until the trainer Cus D'Amato took him out of the city into upstate New York and got him medicated. Cus monitored his meds and made him champion. The downward spiral of Mike's talent began with the death of the one who really cared for him Cus D'Amato. His life then was focused on filling the emotional whole left by Cus' demise. Hello Robin, et.al.
 
David 76 said:
Hey Wing,
I'd you don't think Tyson wasted some of his enormous talent because he was an emotional mess, fine.
but leave the name calling out of it.
happy Holidays!
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I didn't call anyone any names. I didn't call you stupid. I think what you said was stupid. There's a difference between saying "he wasted some of his enormous talent..." and "he was a waste of talent". The first statement I would agree with. The second statement I still think is stupid. (The statement, not the person making it).

Happy Holidays!
 
HuskeyinSC said:
based on your statement alone; your facts testify of the greatness of talent but do not address the flameout that demonstrates a waste of that talent. two words for those who say he did not waste his talent; Buster Douglas.
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WingU-Conn said:
There's a difference between saying "he wasted some of his enormous talent..." and "he was a waste of talent".
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If he bit someone's ear off before rising to champ, and never made it to champ, I would agree with calling him a waste of talent. But he did make it, and he retained that title longer than all but 2 other men....EVER. He deserves more credit for what he accomplished, than criticism for what he didn't.
 
MDHuskFan said:
Back to the topic.... if you hated the screaming, you’ll prob hate the step over. (Posting for those w/out IG)

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This gives us at least two guys who have dunked their own miss in a game. Great to have some serious jumpers back.
 
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David 76 said:
The "young" yarders are so 80s with their Mike Tyson and taunting.
Great example of waste of talent because he couldn't handle his emotions. Not an example to follow.
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If we all grew up in the environment Tyson was raised in (until he was 15 or 16) God knows where we'd have ended up. It's too bad Cus D'Amato died so early in Mike's career. He was a stabilizing force but once he died and Don King got involved there was no one left in his life who actually cared about him as a person.
Mike was in my hospital's ICU after crashing his car into a tree and, after meeting his wife (Robin Givens) and her mother, it was obvious he was crying out for attention just like the "young yarders".
 
Watchdog said:
If we all grew up in the environment Tyson was raised in (until he was 15 or 16) God knows where we'd have ended up. It's too bad Cus D'Amato died so early in Mike's career. He was a stabilizing force but once he died and Don King got involved there was no one left in his life who actually cared about him as a person.
Mike was in my hospital's ICU after crashing his car into a tree and, after meeting his wife (Robin Givens) and her mother, it was obvious he was crying out for attention just like the "young yarders".
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Everything there was spot on but what the hell are you talking about with the last comment
 
I’m excited for the dunks. A point I think Hurley brought up a few weeks ago is that our team doesn’t dunk the ball, we have to be bottom third in the country in dunks. Good teams dunk the ball a lot.
 
WingU-Conn said:
If he bit someone's ear off before rising to champ, and never made it to champ, I would agree with calling him a waste of talent. But he did make it, and he retained that title longer than all but 2 other men....EVER. He deserves more credit for what he accomplished, than criticism for what he didn't.
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It's not for what he didn't do. It's for what he could have been. In order to accept becoming heavy weight champion as a sign of achieving all he could achieve is to rank him with Riddick Bowe. Mike was a great great fighter. But he could have been so much more and that is a waste to those of us who appreciate true greatness. He had the potential to be named with Ali, or Jackson, or Lewis, or Leonard, or Marciano. But he isn't.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Stupid is the perfect word.

The man was the youngest champion and has one of the longest title defense streaks in the division.

That's not a waste of talent. Arguing otherwise lacks reason and intelligence.
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This may all be semantics, but if you read Tyson's history (try Wikipedia for an quick summary) it's hard to say he didn't waste his talent. He blew over $300 million in earnings and ended his boxing career in bankruptcy doing exhibition matches trying to pay off his debts. Then there were various felony convictions including one for rape.

His early life was a mess and Cus D'Amato took him under his wing, gave him structure, and made him a great fighter, and a fighter who respected his opponents.

He absolutely destroyed his opponents like none before him and like none since. He attacked from the opening bell and his goal always seemed to be a first round knockout. This video captures how he was all business in his early years and, quite poignantly, shows the concern he seemed to have for the welfare of his opponents after knocking them out:

He was seemingly on the road to recognition as the greatest (or at a minimum the most feared) fighter of all time before he detoured into an unfortunate series of life altering missteps. He was a smart guy who had had no parental guidance and likely lost his best chance at a good future when D'Amato died unexpectedly. D'Amato had been a stabilizing force in his life and gave him direction. Maybe it was listening to Don King and firing Kevin Rooney and Bill Cayton. But all the negative things in his career seemed to begin with King's influence on his life.
 
David 76 said:
Hey Wing,
I'd you don't think Tyson wasted some of his enormous talent because he was an emotional mess, fine.
but leave the name calling out of it.
happy Holidays!
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WingU-Conn said:
I didn't call anyone any names. I didn't call you stupid. I think what you said was stupid. There's a difference between saying "he wasted some of his enormous talent..." and "he was a waste of talent". The first statement I would agree with. The second statement I still think is stupid. (The statement, not the person making it).

Happy Holidays!
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True. Just seriously stupid.
I never said he was a waste of talent. But I could have said it better.Probably the taunting of my generation affected my tone.
Fyi I wasn't being sarcastic when I wished you happy holidays.
 
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superjohn said:
Basketball is a young mans game, it's a street game born on the inner city courts of America.

It's probably a discussion for another time and I'm not accusing anyone in this thread of doing it but it always really bothered me how older guys always seem to have a comment on how young guys show their emotion, how they wear their uniform, what hairstyle they have etc.

My dad was the biggest NBA fan I knew and whenever he would try and talk basketball with his friends they would look at him like he's crazy for watching the NBA and it would always come back to them saying I can't watch all those guys with tattoos, corn rows, and I don't like all the histrionics. I've seen it with my own peer group for a long time as well. It's coded and it really bothers me. Again, not accusing anyone here of that but I'm keen to it and always will be.
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Strong take here.
 
CL82 said:
Bird was an epic trash talker, but after great play he typically just run down court and got ready to make another great play. He really wasn’t an in your face flexing kind a guy, for the most part.

It really doesn’t matter to me one way or the other. If that’s what kids need to do to play the game enthusiastically its fine, but most of us grew up being taught that you act like you’ve been there before.
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Doubt any of Bird's contemporaries ever frame him as a gentleman's trashtalker. He was constant and disrespectful. Doc sure as heck would never frame Bird's trashtalk as casual. Same with Nique, Jordan and I'm sure some Knicks and Pistons. That's what Bird would do, talk dumb ish to futher his engagement. That's just how some players are mentally wired when it comes to competition.
 
olehead said:
Doubt any of Bird's contemporaries ever frame him as a gentleman's trashtalker. He was constant and disrespectful. Doc sure as heck would never frame Bird's trashtalk as casual. Same with Nique, Jordan and I'm sure some Knicks and Pistons. That's what Bird would do, talk dumb ish to futher his engagement. That's just how some players are mentally wired when it comes to competition.
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Gentleman trash talker?
 
WingU-Conn said:
1) Not "maybe". Unethical is wrong.

2) You're passing judgement while admitting you don't have enough information to pass judgement. That's as unethical as anything you're criticizing Jackson of. No matter how many times you try to qualify it.

3) You wrote "passion and emotion is..." and then described the behavior your would prefer. That is literally giving a definition to the words that fits your narrative. I didn't change the definition of anything. Slow down and read what I wrote.

4) Passion and emotion are what led to his behavior. What he did wasn't fueled by passion and emotion? What else could have caused it? Apathy and aloofness? As short as my post was, you still didn't comprehend it.
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What causes this chest pounding stuff is the crappy example of others for the last 25 years or so. I went to a really good hoops high school in the 1960s. A bunch of the players could dunk but never did this ego stuff. I guarantee you the emotion was the same, but the spotlight wasn’t. The role modeling kinda sucks.
 
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