More praise for Andre Jackson

[superjohn]

Mau and I agree on a lot of issues. We disagree on this one. I’m considerably older than mau.

The tendency to generalize frequently results in stereotyping. In your attempt to marginalize a segment of the population you end up undermining some valid points.

Whether or not it’s deliberate you have demonstrated a prejudice towards this group. You certainly are not alone. Some of it is just humor but I get the impression that even among those who express it with humor there is an underlying bias.

I don’t believe in censorship. Which is why I come down on the side of supporting players expressing their emotions on the court. I feel that you and @superjohn might want to reflect on this.

I like people. Some of my favorite people and those which I choose to spend my time with are in their 70's, same goes for my friends in their early 30's late 20's. I've yet to find a race or age group I don't like but there are certainly some people and mindsets I don't like. I don't like people who judge people based on their race or age, or judge people on being different whether it's the way they act or look.

You say the attitude towards the elderly was significantly better in the 60's than it is today. I'm not sure that's true but I do know certain groups of people were treated like dirt back then that's why we had movements like the Civil Rights Movement and the Chicano Movement. As for the Ok Boomer thing it's mostly a humorous thing in response/backlash to the seemingly neverending blame some boomers put on Millennials for all the ills of current society. Some Millennials see the Boomer generation as the ones who lived on the high hog leaving the younger generation in a hole where they can't enjoy the same sort of life the boomers had.

They may be arguing about different things but the divide between the older generation and the younger generation has always been there. It was certainly there in the 60's where the the younger generation didn't like the country the older generation created and the younger generation was going to break those rules and norms at all costs.

I don't understand you saying I should reflect on my feelings about players expressing their emotions on the court?
As for celebrating and or getting into a competitors face that's been going on my whole life and I feel comfortable saying that's always been a part of sports. If it's not allowed and hurts your team the player should find another release but it certainly isn't anything new or something the younger generation does now more than ever, there was certainly a lot more of it when I was growing up. It didn't bother me then, doesn't bother me now, and won't bother me in the future. Sports are supposed to be emotional IMO, I want to see every emotion the good, the bad, and the ugly. It seems a lot of that has been legislated out of the game and I think sports have suffered for it.

 

[superjohn]

Give it up. Mau is right. So confrontational behavior is the shining light of whatever your generation thinks are major advances in sports competition since the 1960s. And it’s being compared to incremental advances in civil rights. Beyond dumb. Believe it or not, I’m pretty modern for an old dude and it’s pretty silly that you get off on some other guy getting off for throwing a ball through a hoop. I suppose you and that player were just plain bored the rest of the game without the Adrenalin rush.

Wow, from your posts on the other board I would have expected better from you.

I don't even know how to respond to this.

 

[Get a Job]

I’m a mod who rarely deletes posts. I do edit occasionally. Would you like me to delete this duplicated post?

Lol, yes please. My wifi connection is quite wonky.

 

[Get a Job]

I’m a mod who rarely deletes posts. I do edit occasionally. Would you like me to delete this duplicated post?

Lol, yes please. My wifi connection is quite wonky.

 

[cohenzone]

Wow, from your posts on the other board I would have expected better from you.

I don't even know how to respond to this.

Totally silly. The civil rights movement was progress. Explain exactly how this stuff has improved the game since you pick the starting point. I like a great play as much as anyone. Watching the player do a self congratulatory display after the play is over is meh. I’m not the one who made the assinine comparison to the civil rights movement. And 60s music is still better than most of today’s stuff. So there.

 

[ctchamps]

With debt, everyone has the money! The 'best' consumers are usually younger. If you can corner the teenage girl market, you are making millions.

Agree wholeheartedly with the second bit.

Not the money to influence. That is disproportionately in the hands of a small group of people who are predominantly in the over 55 age group. When they die they will pass it along to their heirs, the majority of whom will either mismanage the wealth or not concern themselves with accumulation and power instead spending on material things or giving that money to charity. Those that avoid this process will be joined by the current wealth creators who want power and influence as they age.

The vast majority of the over 55 age group are doing well but certainly not to that degree. I’m emphasizing a good part of that wealth in the majority of that group is primarily based on two ponzi systems - real estate and the stock market. The difference between these boomers and the following generations is the time factor.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

This is still the thread about the dunk?

 

[ctchamps]

This is still the thread about the dunk?

No. It’s a thread about expression.

As an aside who dunks donuts in their coffee?
I’ve tried it but didn’t like it.

Edit: Aside 2: You should never have been tossed from MSG. You should have received a warning.

 

[ctchamps]

Lol, yes please. My wifi connection is quite wonky.

Done.

 

[superjohn]

Totally silly. The civil rights movement was progress. Explain exactly how this stuff has improved the game since you pick the starting point. I like a great play as much as anyone. Watching the player do a self congratulatory display after the play is over is meh. I’m not the one who made the assinine comparison to the civil rights movement. And 60s music is still better than most of today’s stuff. So there.

You're the one who brought it up. You made a societal/generational thing...saying something to the effect of a player celebrates like this because his generation is screwed up with poor role models and then you said much of the 60's was better than today. This isn't an opinion held by people who were still viewed as less than human at that time, it's always good to look beyond yourself.

 

[pj]

The fact that people automatically point to old and Maybury because of an opinion also is very naive. Guessing those who think it's "young" and cool to posterize on the basketball court are very much in the minority.

Thinking it's cool to posterize on the basketball court is the same spirit as thinking it's cool to say "OK boomer" on a message board.

 

[superjohn]

Thinking it's cool to posterize on the basketball court is the same spirit as thinking it's cool to say "OK boomer" on a message board.

Ok, boomer.

 

[cohenzone]

You're the one who brought it up. You made a societal/generational thing...saying something to the effect of a player celebrates like this because his generation is screwed up with poor role models and then you said much of the 60's was better than today. This isn't an opinion held by people who were still viewed as less than human at that time, it's always good to look beyond yourself.

I did not compare to the plight of black people You are incorrect.

 

[ctchamps]

Thinking it's cool to posterize on the basketball court is the same spirit as thinking it's cool to say "OK boomer" on a message board.

This is the crux of the problem. We consider things in absolute terms. We frame things from our perspective. There are very few things that are absolutely good (right) or absolutely bad (wrong). We’d have to be omniscient to be absolute about anything.

 

[cohenzone]

Look at post #222 and possibly you missed your own at #225. This is about hoops. I am not the one bringing up silly comparisons to life in general. And it is definitely role modeling. You think the kids today don’t pick these routines up from watching games on TV?

Run it by me again how the show off stuff has improved the game since the 1960s. Trash talking has always been there. Doing dances and other self congratulatory physical routines haven’t.

 

[Get a Job]

Look at post #222 and possibly you missed your own at #225. This is about hoops. I am not the one bringing up silly comparisons to life in general. And it is definitely role modeling. You think the kids today don’t pick these routines up from watching games on TV?

Run it by me again how the show off stuff has improved the game since the 1960s. Trash talking has always been there. Doing dances and other self congratulatory physical routines haven’t.

It's a matter of opinion, and I can't fault you for having a differing one. That said, I enjoy watching today's more expressive game much more than the game of the '60s. In that sense, the theatrics has, for me, improved the game, or, more accurately, my enjoyment of it.

It seems to me that you are contending that the behavior is objectively negative. I simply contend that it is not objectively anything. A hypothetical to support my point: If I completely agreed with you that such actions are distasteful, my beef with what I perceive to be your position would remain unchanged.

 

[superjohn]

Look at post #222 and possibly you missed your own at #225. This is about hoops. I am not the one bringing up silly comparisons to life in general. And it is definitely role modeling. You think the kids today don’t pick these routines up from watching games on TV?

Run it by me again how the show off stuff has improved the game since the 1960s. Trash talking has always been there. Doing dances and other self congratulatory physical routines haven’t.

Again, nobody said staring down a player after you dunk on them improves the actual play of the game. I don't think it improves the game or makes the game worse but I happen to like celebrations in sports and think if it's taken away sports become more boring.

You brought up the 60's and how role modeling sucks now, then you said some things from the 60's are worlds better than today. Of course people are going to respond that the 60's sucked for large swaths of the population.

 

[cohenzone]

It's a matter of opinion, and I can't fault you for having a differing one. That said, I enjoy watching today's more expressive game much more than the game of the '60s. In that sense, the theatrics has, for me, improved the game, or, more accurately, my enjoyment of it.

It seems to me that you are contending that the behavior is objectively negative. I simply contend that it is not objectively anything. A hypothetical to support my point: If I completely agreed with you that such actions are distasteful, my beef with what I perceive to be your position would remain unchanged.

As I said, to me its meh. I don't stop going or watching Imagine though, if we hadn't had the shot clock introduced (a real game changer). Some of these after-dunk routines might have become 10 minute Broadway productions.

 

[cohenzone]

Again, nobody said staring down a player after you dunk on them improves the game. I don't think it improves the game or makes the game worse but I happen to like celebrations in sports and think if it's taken away sports become more boring.

You brought up the 60's and how role modeling sucks now, then you said some things from the 60's are worlds better than today. Of course people are going to respond that the 60's sucked for large swaths of the population.

Only a couple of people trying to use a bad example to make a point about hoops..Peace and love (a 60s thing).

 

[HuskyNan]

Totally silly. The civil rights movement was progress. Explain exactly how this stuff has improved the game since you pick the starting point. I like a great play as much as anyone. Watching the player do a self congratulatory display after the play is over is meh. I’m not the one who made the assinine comparison to the civil rights movement. And 60s music is still better than most of today’s stuff. So there.

You must have hated Diana Taurasi. I should warn you - when Paige Bueckers gets to UConn, she’s going to show some of the same Taurasi-like attitude and I can’t wait. I want UConn players, men and women, to walk on the court with an attitude that says, “This is MY court”. It’s been too long for both teams.

 

[cohenzone]

You must have hated Diana Taurasi. I should warn you - when Paige Bueckers gets to UConn, she’s going to show some of the same Taurasi-like attitude and I can’t wait. I want UConn players, men and women, to walk on the court with an attitude that says, “This is MY court”. It’s been too long for both teams.

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Love Taurasi. But she didn't demonstrate after every great play, she'd have gotten tired.


ETA: Take no prisoners attitude and histrionics aren't the same.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Will the next Jackson highlight/news be posted in a new thread? I'd like to ignore this thread if possible.