Monday night's games (ND, FSU, Bay, Stan)

[mhshuskies]

I looked in at the ND game and they look a lot better than they were in their unforeseen losses.
Ball moving, shots falling, bench contributing.

At Waco, on FS1 Texas now doing everything, up by 10....Karen seems to have picked up transition offense from....I wonder whom?

Thats how overated L'Ville is, they even make nd look good.

 

[Plebe]

Thats how overated L'Ville is, they even make nd look good.

Louisville was without Hines-Allen and Jackson. Imagine if UConn had to play Notre Dame without Gabby and without Nurse.

 

[UcMiami]

Huh? Any computer rating worth its salt will be entirely self-contained on this year's results.

I really don't know how Massey and Sagarin work, but they obviously have some adjustments built in at the start of each year, otherwise teams losing their first game would disappear from the top 100 and they do not. Over time that gets better but I don't believe it ever truly disappears.

I can't resist the temptation to point out that all of these arguments are virtually identical to what was heard in the run-up to the tourney last year: "The Pac-12 is overrated!" "All they did is game the RPI!" "They didn't do anything in the OOC!" And then bam, they put three teams in the Elite 8 and two in the Final Four, and suddenly the doubters were quieted.

Yes, but last year was the aberration based on the last decade. The Pac12 before last year with the exception of Stanford was pretty consistent in not playing to their seeding. And I suspect we may see a return to that pattern this year.

 

[Vowelguy]

I really don't know how Massey and Sagarin work, but they obviously have some adjustments built in at the start of each year, otherwise teams losing their first game would disappear from the top 100 and they do not. Over time that gets better but I don't believe it ever truly disappears.
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I am 99.9999% sure it does.

 

[Tonyc]

Thinking about the upsets and how these teams compare to UConn and what they might do against UConn? My answer....UConn plays terrific defense and no other team plays that kind of defense. UConns quickness will beat every body elses height barring injuries and foul trouble.

 

[Plebe]

Yes, but last year was the aberration based on the last decade. The Pac12 before last year with the exception of Stanford was pretty consistent in not playing to their seeding.

I'm sorry, but I'm calling shenanigans on this as well. This was the fashionable narrative among last year's Pac-12 detractors, based almost entirely on what happened in 2015 and then somehow portrayed as longstanding pattern. I doubt that the data supports this in any significant way.

 

[Vowelguy]

2015 (-3)
#4 Cal, #3 Ore St, #6 Wash lost 1 round earlier than expected by their seed
#3 Ariz St, #4 Stanford lived up to seed

2014 (+3)
#9 Ariz St, #9 Ore St, #2 Stanford advanced 1 round further than expected
#7 Cal, #9 USC lived up to seed

2013 (-3)
#1 Stanford lost 2 rounds early
#3 UCLA, #5 Colorado lost 1 round early
#2 Cal advanced 1 round further

2012 (0)
#1 Stanford, #8 Cal lived up to seed

2011 (-2)
#3 UCLA, #7 Ariz St lost 1 round early
#1 Stanford lived up to seed

2010 (0)
#1 Stanford, #8 UCLA lived up to seed

2009 (+3)
#6 Ariz St advanced 2 rounds further
#2 Stanford advanced 1 round further
#4 Cal lived up to seed

 

[Plebe]

2015 (-3)
#4 Cal, #3 Ore St, #6 Wash lost 1 round earlier than expected by their seed
#3 Ariz St, #4 Stanford lived up to seed

2014 (+3)
#9 Ariz St, #9 Ore St, #2 Stanford advanced 1 round further than expected
#7 Cal, #9 USC lived up to seed

2013 (-3)
#1 Stanford lost 2 rounds early
#3 UCLA, #5 Colorado lost 1 round early
#2 Cal advanced 1 round further

2012 (0)
#1 Stanford, #8 Cal lived up to seed

2011 (-2)
#3 UCLA, #7 Ariz St lost 1 round early
#1 Stanford lived up to seed

2010 (0)
#1 Stanford, #8 UCLA lived up to seed

2009 (+3)
#6 Ariz St advanced 2 rounds further
#2 Stanford advanced 1 round further
#4 Cal lived up to seed

Thank you for doing and presenting all this research.

Hardly a "consistent" pattern over the "last decade."