Missouri presser

[Rumrunner]

Sometimes the best choice to make is do nothing. That's my guess with the Big 10. They want ND and Texas. The rest, no, including Rutgers and UConn.

As far as UNC and UVA to the Big 10, it will never happen.

The Big Ten does not give a rat's ass about the northeast. That's media babble.

The Big Ten also doesn't panic, doesn't make rushed moves and they don't seem to make mistakes - it all comes from dealing from a position of power.

They can do nothing and continue on quite happily.

 

[RS9999X]

The smart move for the Big East football schools is to propose a merger of the Big East, Big 12 and BYU.

All that's left is for Rutgers and UConn to pimp the NYC market and their MSA which is freaking impressive. Oklahoma and Texas will love Yankee Stadium. Thye have lots of alumni in the area. Who doesn't leave the South to come North these days? Oh.......that few....

 

[Richmondhsky]

i have toggled between theories wrt the b1g recently, though i am now firmly (for the moment) of the belief that delaney is not interested in the northeast as a first option - he is interested in unc, uva and umd. they are the 3 big, public ivy research universities on the east coast, and all in demographically attractive markets. my theory is that he is hoping the acc will become destabilized by losing fsu and clemson - so that these 3 acc founders will decide to set their history aside and join the b1g. it is a longshot i think, but i believe (based upon nothing more than blind guesswork) this is what he really wants (besides ND of course).

this is the only thing that makes sense: delaney is by all accounts competent and actively monitoring the expansion landscape; the b1g is in prime position to take who they want including ru/uconn; the b1g is truly in danger of losing the northeast if the acc takes ru/uconn; the acc has indicated through sources that ru/uconn is next on their radar. it appears the b1g would need to swoop in lest they lose the northeast forever, yet the b1g is not moving. contradictions do not exist.

the northeast is a screen for what they really want, and what they really want is only going to happen if the acc loses enough football brands to make uva/unc simultaneously nervous. and i think the acc knows this - or maybe i am completely wrong.

UVA/UNC/UMD to the Big whatever? That maybe the funniest thing I have read in this rather ridiculous process and conjecture. Do you really think any of the three schools you mention have any real desire to be anything other than SOUTHERN U's? MD maybe but you're smoking dope if you think UVA and UNC move anywhere. If you think the ND alums have an impact on what happens at Notre Dame, you need to look at VA and NC, NO way they leave the ACC even if FSU or whomever leave. Completely different culture.

 

[speedoo]

Difference is they have options, Herbst just has hopes and dreams.

yawn.

 

[speedoo]

Looks like they are history. Worst case scenario for UConn. Here we come, CAA.

yawn.

 

[upstater]

i have toggled between theories wrt the b1g recently, though i am now firmly (for the moment) of the belief that delaney is not interested in the northeast as a first option - he is interested in unc, uva and umd. they are the 3 big, public ivy research universities on the east coast, and all in demographically attractive markets. my theory is that he is hoping the acc will become destabilized by losing fsu and clemson - so that these 3 acc founders will decide to set their history aside and join the b1g. it is a longshot i think, but i believe (based upon nothing more than blind guesswork) this is what he really wants (besides ND of course).

this is the only thing that makes sense: delaney is by all accounts competent and actively monitoring the expansion landscape; the b1g is in prime position to take who they want including ru/uconn; the b1g is truly in danger of losing the northeast if the acc takes ru/uconn; the acc has indicated through sources that ru/uconn is next on their radar. it appears the b1g would need to swoop in lest they lose the northeast forever, yet the b1g is not moving. contradictions do not exist.

the northeast is a screen for what they really want, and what they really want is only going to happen if the acc loses enough football brands to make uva/unc simultaneously nervous. and i think the acc knows this - or maybe i am completely wrong.

Southerners ain't moving to the Midwest. Maryland maybe.

But now Delaney has been boxed out by Missouri. What does he have left? Maryland?

The ACC could do a real hit job on the Big10 right now by demanding schools give up their TV rights, and that would totally freeze out the Big10.

 

[Vowelguy]

But now Delaney has been boxed out by Missouri.

Sez who?
If the B10 wants them, Mizzou would go to there in a second. In fact, it's entirely possible that much of this talk about going to the SEC is just MO's attempt to force the B10's hand.

I will not be entirely surprised if the B10 balks and MO decides to stay put.

 

[upstater]

Sez who?
If the B10 wants them, Mizzou would go to there in a second. In fact, it's entirely possible that much of this talk about going to the SEC is just MO's attempt to force the B10's hand.

I will not be entirely surprised if the B10 balks and MO decides to stay put.

The SEC keeps TV rights for 12 years as does the Big10. There are no exit fees.

So, you're saying the Big10 will invite Missouri in and subsidize it for a dozen years with KC and StL markets contributing nothing to the Big10s bottom line?

I don't think that's in the cards.

I've said this before about the Big10 and SEC: Those are Hotel California conferences. You can check out any time you want, but you can't ever leave.

 

[zls44]

I missed the press release where anyone followed my advice on sticking together. BTW, Jurich was saying the same thing, but what does he know?

Your advice has been "beg harder", and it has taken us this far. I guess that is all any of us got now.

The part you don't get, never have gotten, and never will get is that it wouldn't mater one iota if anyone pledged unwavering loyalty to the conference the entire time. It was ripe for the picking, and was gutted. It was going to continue being gutted until the bigger, stronger, more powerful/commercially appealing conferences decided they were full from their succulent meal of what was left over.

Press releases hold no weight, water, or binding action. They are empty calories that change nothing.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The part you don't get, never have gotten, and never will get is that it wouldn't mater one iota if anyone pledged unwavering loyalty to the conference the entire time. It was ripe for the picking, and was gutted. It was going to continue being gutted until the bigger, stronger, more powerful/commercially appealing conferences decided they were full from their succulent meal of what was left over.

Press releases hold no weight, water, or binding action. They are empty calories that change nothing.

None of this needed to happen. The Big East was in a great position, and then the football schools turned on each other and everything instantly went to s***. Trust is critical in any type of organization, and when it is gone, it is very difficult to get back.

But hey, take a lap now that UConn's athletic program and national profile is in the toilet. Congratulations.

 

[Vowelguy]

So, you're saying the Big10 will invite Missouri in and subsidize it for a dozen years with KC and StL markets contributing nothing to the Big10s bottom line?

Unless I missed a news flash, MO is not in the SEC yet. There easily is still time for the B10 to swoop in if it wants.

 

[zls44]

None of this needed to happen. The Big East was in a great position, and then the football schools turned on each other and everything instantly went to s***. Trust is critical in any type of organization, and when it is gone, it is very difficult to get back.

But hey, take a lap now that UConn's athletic program and national profile is in the toilet. Congratulations.

They had the chance to be in a great position a year from now. Whereas the ACC, B1G, P12 and SEC were already in great positions.

Once SU & Pitt left, it guaranteed the death of the conference, no matter what Susan Herbst said or didn't say. That's what you cannot figure out. You aren't able to resolve the difference between what they could have been with what they were once SU/Pitt left.

 

[Excalibur]

But hey, take a lap now that UConn's athletic program and national profile is in the toilet. Congratulations.

And that all would have changed if UConn managed to convince the rats to stay on the ship. Riiiiight.

 

[BlueMAB]

Your advice has been "beg harder", and it has taken us this far. I guess that is all any of us got now.

I must have missed the press release where the rest of the conference pledged undying loyalty to the Big East if Susan Herbst would just recriprocate. I must have missed the press conference where the ACC said UConn is never going to get an invite. I saw the post where you said UConn would never get an invite, and where you said Tex A&M wasn't going to the SEC.
Is it fun arguing with yourself? That hasn't been my advice. That has been your characterization of Herbst's actions. And you are not proven right when your plan isn't tried, and the conference falls apart anyway.
My advice was for the rest of the big east to go hard after Iowa St, Kansas, KSU, and Baylor early on before the big 12 decided to try and stick together.

Then, my advice was start discussions with UCF & ECU for all sports, and I agreed with you on Houston but I think they should be a backup plan. I said the conference should consider Boise State if we have to for football only, but I left out Navy because they weren't interested in joining before, and I didn't think they were/are a real possibility. But I have said repeatedly, all of this has to have the main goal of retaining BCS status. Which is where we disagree because you want UMass and Houston as options 1 and 2. LMAO

I maintain that Herbst has done this the right way. We want out, we have to want out, at least she is being honest about it. We can work to strengthen the big east, while working toward an ACC invite.

You maintain we aren't valuable enough for an ACC invite, but we are valuable enough to hold the conference together. As if Rutgers won't accept an ACC invite because UConn committed to the Big East.
To use your favorite tactic. The argument you make means that we are as powerful in the Big East as Texas is in the Big 12, and yet as weak on the national landscape as Iowa State is.

 

[BlueMAB]

None of this needed to happen. The Big East was in a great position, and then the football schools turned on each other and everything instantly went to s***. Trust is critical in any type of organization, and when it is gone, it is very difficult to get back.

But hey, take a lap now that UConn's athletic program and national profile is in the toilet. Congratulations.

But it happened. Pretending all would have been well if Herbst committed to the Big East is a fantasy only you believe.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

None of this needed to happen. The Big East was in a great position, and then the football schools turned on each other and everything instantly went to s***. Trust is critical in any type of organization, and when it is gone, it is very difficult to get back.

But hey, take a lap now that UConn's athletic program and national profile is in the toilet. Congratulations.

What dream world do you live in if you are going on believing that there was a chance the ACC was going to stand idly by watching while every other major conference ended up with a far superior television contract than theirs?

The BE conference, as it was constituted could never have become significant enough to withstand another raid. As long as this was the case, the mega deal Marinatto was bragging about (which never quite made sense in the numbers thrown around as what was reported had nearly 90% of the revenues going to the football members) was always within one move by the ACC from being vaporized.

Go ahead however and claim that losing Pitt and Cuse will lead UConn's athletic program down the toilet while simultaneously claiming that all other posters have 'rolled over'.