Memphis to the Big East??? Really??,

[NowInStorrs]

Some of the Pac-12 schools are more interesting than the four you mentioned, but the average UConn fan doesn't car about west coast G6 programs.

This is kind of the problem. The AAC was actually a pretty decent league at first (not so much any more) but people made fun of Tulsa, SMH, etc. and people stopped going to the games. I understand the team also got really bad over those years, but fans need to show up and support them regardless. Now it's an uphill battle to get anyone to go to the Rent. Whatever UConn does, whether it's P-12, Independent, or anything else, people need to show up and support them.

 

[Stinger92860]

I would not be happy if Memphis outmanoeuvred us for a P4 spot with this potential move. It’s happened to us too many times.

 

[billybud]

Ole Miss and Purdue haven't wo n multiple national championships

True...while Clemson has...three football NC's...and four men's soccer (84. 87. 21, 23)....but of those, it is only football that gets noticed

 

[upstater]

True...while Clemson has...three football NC's...and four men's soccer (84. 87. 21, 23)....but of those, it is only football that gets noticed

I thought we were talking about basketball. If you're saying no one notices basketball, then none of this matters.

 

[billybud]

Oh we can talk basketball...and basketball matters...but, when conference realignments center around basketball, it will be a new dynamic. Even the ACC has instituted payout based on viewing...and split that payout 75% football...25% basketball. Will Gonzaga be more likely to be pulled to the P2 than Clemson?

I do believe that Caitlin Clark has brought new awareness and enthusiasm to women's basketball and that is a good thing.

 

[billybud]

And that kind of revenue split migrated to other conferences could make taking basketball programs very palatable since they would be less likely to threaten a share of current member's slice of the big football pie. I could see the B1G augmenting basketball.

 

[CL82]

I would not be happy if Memphis outmanoeuvred us for a P4 spot with this potential move. It’s happened to us too many times.

Especially of they also ended up in the Big East.

Still, CR#1, so...

 

[AZHuskiePop]

This is all about money
My specific caveats
If Memphis increases the Big East Payout that could be even marginal
If The payout as a football only in the new PAc is close to 11 figures
And that league takes both us and Memphis as football onlies
Then UConn would be a yes vote for Memphis’s inclusion into the Big East
That puts our combined media deal over $20,000,000
and insures football funding to keep us alive
That also gives us and Memphis a degree of separation from the G6
and the Big East .

 

[Jimdish255]

The PAC would need a certain number of basketball games for a football "only" invite to materialize. Even then not so sure. But they have needs we could help fill.

 

[freescooter]

The PAC would be a step up and (if the terms are right) would demonstrate the commitment to football. The Mora hire was an excellent move & the program’s tending up up but I think our independent schedule, with no virtual path to the CFB playoff, is holding us back.

Most of us would have thought basketball dominance would have punched our ticket by now but it obviously hasn’t. Do we think we just one more men’s championship gets us into a P4? - maybe, but I hope UConn’s learned that elevating FB too is necessary.

You know who knows that? AD Dave. Heard him say almost that exact thing at 2 basketball pre-game road gatherings.

 

[freescooter]

This is kind of the problem. The AAC was actually a pretty decent league at first (not so much any more) but people made fun of Tulsa, SMH, etc. and people stopped going to the games. I understand the team also got really bad over those years, but fans need to show up and support them regardless. Now it's an uphill battle to get anyone to go to the Rent. Whatever UConn does, whether it's P-12, Independent, or anything else, people need to show up and support them.

I’m not sure that it is entirely true that UConn fans don’t/won’t care about PAC teams. If one is Memphis, plus Boise San Diego St, OState and Washington State both have a little panache I think.
More than Tulsa and Tulane and SMU. The Wyoming game a few years back generated a bit of buzz in an absolutely buzz less season, too. That league aims to be the best G league. More likely than not it’s champ will go to the CFP most years.

Plus I’m not sure why the PAC would “require” a certain number of basketball games. I can see why it might be beneficial to both parties to do it, and in a relationship driven world it could happen, but UConn-Gonzaga, or San Diego State, or Utah State would be interesting games. Better than Seton Hall or Georgetown or DePaul. All would help not hurt rankings, too.

 

[ZooCougar]

I would love to see Memphis in the BE.

Why?!?

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

For real. Y’all really prefer DePaul and Seton Hall to Memphis??!?

Even if Memphis was a realistic option, DePaul & Seton Hall versus Memphis are simply not on the menu.

 

[Fishy]

Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Utah State, Texas State, Memphis and UConn.

It's reported that the current Pac 12 deal is worth $10 million per school. That probably makes it financially worth it. Even after subtracting out the additional travel costs that's probably worth twice the Big East media deal.

It’s actually been reported that the P12 deal is well short of $10M.

It’s an absolute dog of a conference.

 

[Fishy]

Why?!?

I asked. I didn’t get an answer.

 

[bendm]

It’s actually been reported that the P12 deal is well short of $10M.

It’s an absolute dog of a conference.

I just saw it’s between $7-12 mill per school which could be more than the aac pays out and it’s not bad considering membership wasn’t finalized at the time. Either way it’s $6.5-11.5 mill more than UConn football gets from its tv deal.

 

[CL82]

It’s actually been reported that the P12 deal is well short of $10M.

It’s an absolute dog of a conference.

The new Pac 12 is the best of the G5 football conferences. So, yeah, you're right it's a "dog" when you compare it to the P4, but, outside of the P4, it's a viable alternative.

 

[ZooCougar]

This is all about money
My specific caveats
If Memphis increases the Big East Payout that could be even marginal
If The payout as a football only in the new PAc is close to 11 figures
And that league takes both us and Memphis as football onlies
Then UConn would be a yes vote for Memphis’s inclusion into the Big East
That puts our combined media deal over $20,000,000
and insures football funding to keep us alive
That also gives us and Memphis a degree of separation from the G6
and the Big East .

11 fiigires?

 

[ZooCougar]

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The new Pac 12 is the best of the G5 football conferences. So, yeah, you're right it's a "dog" when you compare it to the P4, but, outside of the P4, it's a viable alternative.

They are not distributing that equally. I bet most are getting less than the $7M.

There is a reason they had to turn to the likes of Texas State.

 

[Blades]

I just saw it’s between $7-12 mill per school which could be more than the aac pays out and it’s not bad considering membership wasn’t finalized at the time. Either way it’s $6.5-11.5 mill more than UConn football gets from its tv deal.

So your saying the PAC will be getting about the same ( for everything) as what Uconn gets from hoops alone on their Big East agreement....
( Maybe Uconn should lobby the PAC for about an $8 mil a year FB only deal to join, since the saying is FB drives the TV bus ...... #ACC / Big 12 or bust ! )

 

[CL82]

They are not distributing that equally. I bet most are getting less than the $7M.

There is a reason they had to turn to the likes of Texas State.

I think that's the reason for the differential from $7,000,000 to $10,000,000. If can I get wherever to consider it it should be only for a full share. I believe Gonzaga got that deal and it's a basketball only.

I'm not advocating for that, by the way, just knowing that it makes economic sense.

 

[CL82]

So your saying the PAC will be getting about the same ( for everything) as what Uconn gets from hoops alone on their Big East agreement....
( Maybe Uconn should lobby the PAC for about an $8 mil a year FB only deal to join, since the saying is FB drives the TV bus ...... #ACC / Big 12 or bust ! )

Not sure if you were replying to me, but that $7 million-$10 million figure is baseline derivative of their media deal. That's nearly twice what the big east media deal generates. As shown below in a chart taken from the same article that the graph above came from, theBig East media deal generates approximately 60% of total big east revenue.

Fortuitously for Connecticut the big east allows schools to keep the lions share of their NCAA tournament revenue. So, the woeful cobbled together, Pac 12 media revenue deal is worth roughly a bit less than twice what the big east deal is worth. That's another handy lesson in college sports, and the relative value of football versus basketball.

For what it's worth, that's good news to Connecticut, because doubling, and then some, our current conference revenue would help us considerably.

 

[freescooter]

So your saying the PAC will be getting about the same ( for everything) as what Uconn gets from hoops alone on their Big East agreement....
( Maybe Uconn should lobby the PAC for about an $8 mil a year FB only deal to join, since the saying is FB drives the TV bus ...... #ACC / Big 12 or bust ! )

Well if anybody was suggesting that UConn join for all sports that would be a bad deal. Of course nobody is suggesting that. I don’t know what the number is but if UConn could get $5-7 million for football plus the NBE basketball money then it’s not such a bad deal. Certainly better than the $7 in basketball money from the NBE.

FWIW, the graph you show is a little misleading. After all we won it all that year. Numbers like Creighton and Marquette are probably more typical since winning it all, while a goal, is probably not going to happen every year. Relying on that as an income source would be pretty disastrous.

As far as the question of why would the NBE want Memphis, to me it is because the league has too many weak sisters. Seton Hall, DePaul, Butler, Georgetown ( yeah I know they won it all 40 years ago), Providence, are at best mid-majors. We can pretend all we want, but their ratings are helped significantly by playing UConn, Marquette, Creighton. The other side of the coin is the good teams lose ground playing those guys. If this were college baseball, UConn would cancel the Seton Hall and DePaul games every year to improve its NET.

 

[Kolumbo]

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The new Pac 12 is the best of the G5 football conferences. So, yeah, you're right it's a "dog" when you compare it to the P4, but, outside of the P4, it's a viable alternative.

I wonder what is in the details. I thought it meant that the average payout per school is projected to be $7-$10 million, not that $7-$10 is the range that each school will receive. I don't know. I have to believe Oregon State is going to make a LOT more than Texas State.

 

[Blades]

if UConn could get $5-7 million for football plus the NBE basketball money then it’s not such a bad deal. <<<<< THIS maybe !

( Maybe Uconn should lobby the PAC for about an $8 mil a year FB only deal to join, since the saying is FB drives the TV bus ... #ACC / Big 12 or bust ! )

I've also posted some West coast sources that says the PAC TV deal for everything will be more like $65-70 mil for the 9 schools...which makes it more like an AAC deal, which Uconn paid $15 mil to get out of ( except it's half a country farther away). Show me the money, that I doubt the Pac 12 has for an east coast FB member.... until then it's Indy/Big East or bust.

 

[Fishy]

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The new Pac 12 is the best of the G5 football conferences. So, yeah, you're right it's a "dog" when you compare it to the P4, but, outside of the P4, it's a viable alternative.

I can’t keep cutting up people’s food.

It’s not $10,000,000 and it’s far from settled that it’s the best G conference. No one wants to see any of those schools do anything which is why they’ve struggled to get a rights deal done.

And we made $8M in the Big East last year.

 

[Fishy]

I just saw it’s between $7-12 mill per school which could be more than the aac pays out and it’s not bad considering membership wasn’t finalized at the time. Either way it’s $6.5-11.5 mill more than UConn football gets from its tv deal.

They’re going to get less than the AAC. They’re going to get less than what we got last year from the Big East.

You people are deranged.

 

[ZooCougar]

I think that's the reason for the differential from $7,000,000 to $10,000,000. If can I get wherever to consider it it should be only for a full share. I believe Gonzaga got that deal and it's a basketball only.

I'm not advocating for that, by the way, just knowing that it makes economic sense.

For a football only deal we probably won’t get half of $7M.

We shouldn’t even consider a football only deal with west coast conference for less that $5-6M.

 

[CL82]

I can’t keep cutting up people’s food.

It’s not $10,000,000 and it’s far from settled that it’s the best G conference. No one wants to see any of those schools do anything which is why they’ve struggled to get a rights deal done.

And we made $8M in the Big East last year.

Well.... I'm sure you're right, the media reports are wrong.

In any event, let me cut up your food into itty bitty chewable pieces and remind you that the $8 million we made last year in the big east was not due to media distributions. It was largely due to the distributions of the tournament credits earned in the NCAA tournament. They are due to our efforts and not the innate value of the Big East conference.

Again, if you would set the hyperbole aside, you're not entirely wrong. "No one wants to see Pac 12 football" is why it is only worth $.25 on the dollar of what a P4 conference gets. But, it is worth more than any other "G6" conference. If Connecticut can dip its beak in that revenue, joining for football only, without jeopardizing whatever nominal chance they have at going to a P4 conference, and without significant entrance or exit fees, it makes financial sense to do so. Those are big ifs though.

 

[Rufus]

The PAC-12 will be paid less than the current AAC deal, but when the current AAC deal expires, those numbers will tank. Remember, the current AAC deal included Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and SMU and did not include the CUSA callups.

The PAC-12 and AAC will likely have similar deals after the current AAC deal expires.