Memphis to the Big East??? Really??,

[bendm]

It’s actually been reported that the P12 deal is well short of $10M.

It’s an absolute dog of a conference.

I just saw it’s between $7-12 mill per school which could be more than the aac pays out and it’s not bad considering membership wasn’t finalized at the time. Either way it’s $6.5-11.5 mill more than UConn football gets from its tv deal.

 

[CL82]

It’s actually been reported that the P12 deal is well short of $10M.

It’s an absolute dog of a conference.

The new Pac 12 is the best of the G5 football conferences. So, yeah, you're right it's a "dog" when you compare it to the P4, but, outside of the P4, it's a viable alternative.

 

[ZooCougar]

This is all about money
My specific caveats
If Memphis increases the Big East Payout that could be even marginal
If The payout as a football only in the new PAc is close to 11 figures
And that league takes both us and Memphis as football onlies
Then UConn would be a yes vote for Memphis’s inclusion into the Big East
That puts our combined media deal over $20,000,000
and insures football funding to keep us alive
That also gives us and Memphis a degree of separation from the G6
and the Big East .

11 fiigires?

 

[ZooCougar]

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The new Pac 12 is the best of the G5 football conferences. So, yeah, you're right it's a "dog" when you compare it to the P4, but, outside of the P4, it's a viable alternative.

They are not distributing that equally. I bet most are getting less than the $7M.

There is a reason they had to turn to the likes of Texas State.

 

[Blades]

I just saw it’s between $7-12 mill per school which could be more than the aac pays out and it’s not bad considering membership wasn’t finalized at the time. Either way it’s $6.5-11.5 mill more than UConn football gets from its tv deal.

So your saying the PAC will be getting about the same ( for everything) as what Uconn gets from hoops alone on their Big East agreement....
( Maybe Uconn should lobby the PAC for about an $8 mil a year FB only deal to join, since the saying is FB drives the TV bus ...... #ACC / Big 12 or bust ! )

 

[CL82]

They are not distributing that equally. I bet most are getting less than the $7M.

There is a reason they had to turn to the likes of Texas State.

I think that's the reason for the differential from $7,000,000 to $10,000,000. If can I get wherever to consider it it should be only for a full share. I believe Gonzaga got that deal and it's a basketball only.

I'm not advocating for that, by the way, just knowing that it makes economic sense.

 

[CL82]

So your saying the PAC will be getting about the same ( for everything) as what Uconn gets from hoops alone on their Big East agreement....
( Maybe Uconn should lobby the PAC for about an $8 mil a year FB only deal to join, since the saying is FB drives the TV bus ...... #ACC / Big 12 or bust ! )

Not sure if you were replying to me, but that $7 million-$10 million figure is baseline derivative of their media deal. That's nearly twice what the big east media deal generates. As shown below in a chart taken from the same article that the graph above came from, theBig East media deal generates approximately 60% of total big east revenue.

Fortuitously for Connecticut the big east allows schools to keep the lions share of their NCAA tournament revenue. So, the woeful cobbled together, Pac 12 media revenue deal is worth roughly a bit less than twice what the big east deal is worth. That's another handy lesson in college sports, and the relative value of football versus basketball.

For what it's worth, that's good news to Connecticut, because doubling, and then some, our current conference revenue would help us considerably.

 

[freescooter]

So your saying the PAC will be getting about the same ( for everything) as what Uconn gets from hoops alone on their Big East agreement....
( Maybe Uconn should lobby the PAC for about an $8 mil a year FB only deal to join, since the saying is FB drives the TV bus ...... #ACC / Big 12 or bust ! )

Well if anybody was suggesting that UConn join for all sports that would be a bad deal. Of course nobody is suggesting that. I don’t know what the number is but if UConn could get $5-7 million for football plus the NBE basketball money then it’s not such a bad deal. Certainly better than the $7 in basketball money from the NBE.

FWIW, the graph you show is a little misleading. After all we won it all that year. Numbers like Creighton and Marquette are probably more typical since winning it all, while a goal, is probably not going to happen every year. Relying on that as an income source would be pretty disastrous.

As far as the question of why would the NBE want Memphis, to me it is because the league has too many weak sisters. Seton Hall, DePaul, Butler, Georgetown ( yeah I know they won it all 40 years ago), Providence, are at best mid-majors. We can pretend all we want, but their ratings are helped significantly by playing UConn, Marquette, Creighton. The other side of the coin is the good teams lose ground playing those guys. If this were college baseball, UConn would cancel the Seton Hall and DePaul games every year to improve its NET.

 

[Kolumbo]

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The new Pac 12 is the best of the G5 football conferences. So, yeah, you're right it's a "dog" when you compare it to the P4, but, outside of the P4, it's a viable alternative.

I wonder what is in the details. I thought it meant that the average payout per school is projected to be $7-$10 million, not that $7-$10 is the range that each school will receive. I don't know. I have to believe Oregon State is going to make a LOT more than Texas State.

 

[Blades]

if UConn could get $5-7 million for football plus the NBE basketball money then it’s not such a bad deal. <<<<< THIS maybe !

( Maybe Uconn should lobby the PAC for about an $8 mil a year FB only deal to join, since the saying is FB drives the TV bus ... #ACC / Big 12 or bust ! )

I've also posted some West coast sources that says the PAC TV deal for everything will be more like $65-70 mil for the 9 schools...which makes it more like an AAC deal, which Uconn paid $15 mil to get out of ( except it's half a country farther away). Show me the money, that I doubt the Pac 12 has for an east coast FB member.... until then it's Indy/Big East or bust.

 

[Fishy]

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The new Pac 12 is the best of the G5 football conferences. So, yeah, you're right it's a "dog" when you compare it to the P4, but, outside of the P4, it's a viable alternative.

I can’t keep cutting up people’s food.

It’s not $10,000,000 and it’s far from settled that it’s the best G conference. No one wants to see any of those schools do anything which is why they’ve struggled to get a rights deal done.

And we made $8M in the Big East last year.

 

[Fishy]

I just saw it’s between $7-12 mill per school which could be more than the aac pays out and it’s not bad considering membership wasn’t finalized at the time. Either way it’s $6.5-11.5 mill more than UConn football gets from its tv deal.

They’re going to get less than the AAC. They’re going to get less than what we got last year from the Big East.

You people are deranged.

 

[ZooCougar]

I think that's the reason for the differential from $7,000,000 to $10,000,000. If can I get wherever to consider it it should be only for a full share. I believe Gonzaga got that deal and it's a basketball only.

I'm not advocating for that, by the way, just knowing that it makes economic sense.

For a football only deal we probably won’t get half of $7M.

We shouldn’t even consider a football only deal with west coast conference for less that $5-6M.

 

[CL82]

I can’t keep cutting up people’s food.

It’s not $10,000,000 and it’s far from settled that it’s the best G conference. No one wants to see any of those schools do anything which is why they’ve struggled to get a rights deal done.

And we made $8M in the Big East last year.

Well.... I'm sure you're right, the media reports are wrong.

In any event, let me cut up your food into itty bitty chewable pieces and remind you that the $8 million we made last year in the big east was not due to media distributions. It was largely due to the distributions of the tournament credits earned in the NCAA tournament. They are due to our efforts and not the innate value of the Big East conference.

Again, if you would set the hyperbole aside, you're not entirely wrong. "No one wants to see Pac 12 football" is why it is only worth $.25 on the dollar of what a P4 conference gets. But, it is worth more than any other "G6" conference. If Connecticut can dip its beak in that revenue, joining for football only, without jeopardizing whatever nominal chance they have at going to a P4 conference, and without significant entrance or exit fees, it makes financial sense to do so. Those are big ifs though.

 

[Rufus]

The PAC-12 will be paid less than the current AAC deal, but when the current AAC deal expires, those numbers will tank. Remember, the current AAC deal included Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and SMU and did not include the CUSA callups.

The PAC-12 and AAC will likely have similar deals after the current AAC deal expires.

 

[Fishy]

Well.... I'm sure you're right, the media reports are wrong.

In any event, let me cut up your food into itty bitty chewable pieces and remind you that the $8 million we made last year in the big east was not due to media distributions. It was largely due to the distributions of the tournament credits earned in the NCAA tournament. They are due to our efforts and not the innate value of the Big East conference.

Again, if you would set the hyperbole aside, you're not entirely wrong. "No one wants to see Pac 12 football" is why it is only worth $.25 on the dollar of what a P4 conference gets. But, it is worth more than any other "G6" conference. If Connecticut can dip its beak in that revenue, joining for football only, without jeopardizing whatever nominal chance they have at going to a P4 conference, and without significant entrance or exit fees, it makes financial sense to do so. Those are big ifs though.

Once more for the back of the class….there are no “media reports” on the value of the P12 media deal because there is no P12 media deal.

Reminder, the actual P12 with Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, Oregon, etc., was only able to get one rights offer which amounted to $20M per team per year and that was from Apple. ESPN, Fox, CBS, everyone, passed on that conference.

This current collection of crapple has been unsuccessful in gaining a media rights deal…they have one fractional deal which is basically the same thing that the Mountain West got from CBS Sports. If you’re out there quoting “media reports” of $12M a year, you’ve not been paying attention.

No one wants this conference. Again, no one wants this conference. They are remnant inventory and their contract and exposure will reflect that.

 

[ScottVib]

The AAC deal (pre-SMU departure) was distributing 11 full shares 14 ways. All the new schools had to take half shares and the conference had to significantly content increase inventory to maintain that.

None of the G-conferences are in great shape. Memphis, Tulane, ECU, Temple, USF & Tulsa are have the highest media revenues in the G-6; with the possible exception of Wazzou and Oregon State’s unequal Pac-whatever share.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

For the sake of argument, let's say the PAC's deal is $10mm per, all in.

If this is the case, what could we possibly hope to receive if we were to offer our services as a football only? What would the cost be if we were to incur the amount of travel for our football program?

We are scheduling better than anyone anticipated when we moved from the AAC. Our situation is far from ideal, but we aren't in a situation where we should believe that anything would be better.

 

[ScottVib]

Revenue-wise UConn would come out ahead (even with travel costs) in a theoretical, however like the AAC the schedule would be less attractive and harder to guarantee the level of success UConn needs to rebuild the fan base and perception necessary to position itself for a move to a middle-two conference.

As long as UConn is able to maintain parity revenue-wise (right now the Big East does that) with other contenders for a potential M2 invitation the extra income doesn’t force a move from a model that (currently) works. Were Memphis to be in the Big East with a significant football-only deal elsewhere that calculus may change (and in the future it may change regardless)

 

[Hoophound]

One thing I like about the current situation is that we keep keep getting lumped in with ND on graphics and in discussions of conferences, Independents, playoff bids etc. Now that there are no other smaller brands playing as indy, we look a little more interesting. We aren't rubbing shoulders with UMass and the like anymore.

This can really make us intriguing if we can put up a great season or two. We already have a nice brand sitting there next to ND. Make it more of a football brand and we will see benefits. Contrast that to playing in a West Coast football conference and going 4-4 or whatever and I can see the upside to our current path.

 

[Stinger92860]

One thing I like about the current situation is that we keep keep getting lumped in with ND on graphics and in discussions of conferences, Independents, playoff bids etc. Now that there are no other smaller brands playing as indy, we look a little more interesting. We aren't rubbing shoulders with UMass and the like anymore.

This can really make us intriguing if we can put up a great season or two. We already have a nice brand sitting there next to ND. Make it more of a football brand and we will see benefits. Contrast that to playing in a West Coast football conference and going 4-4 or whatever and I can see the upside to our current path.

This does not pay the football bills unfortunately

 

[CL82]

For a football only deal we probably won’t get half of $7M.

We shouldn’t even consider a football only deal with west coast conference for less that $5-6M.

Yep, I would think that the increase in travel cost alone will be somewhere in the vicinity of $2.5M, perhaps more.

Keep in mind that Gonzaga reportedly got a full share as a basketball only. I would imagine that UConn would want a full share as a football only.

Benedict isn't going to be an idiot about this. He's already turned them down once. I'd imagine they'd have to make a pretty solid offer for us to be interested.

 

[Hoophound]

This does not pay the football bills unfortunately

It doesn't pay the bills but I think football independence makes us look a little more prestigious as an add to a P4 conference. On Sunday, I was at a cookout and talking sports. One of the guys I was talking with thought that UConn wasn't in the ACC because we didn't want to leave the Big East. He and another guy concurred that we couldn't leave the Big East because we kill it in basketball there. I explained that was not our reality and that we'd gladly leave. Neither thought we should do it. The money situation was lost on them. Good publicity is probably more important than money for the next 3-4 years.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Yep, I would think that the increase in travel cost alone will be somewhere in the vicinity of $2.5M, perhaps more.

Keep in mind that Gonzaga reportedly got a full share as a basketball only. I would imagine that UConn would want a full share as a football only.

Benedict isn't going to be an idiot about this. He's already turned them down once. I'd imagine they'd have to make a pretty solid offer for us to be interested.

Agreed- and he said the Pac and UConn weren't a good fit. No AD would characterize it that way if they wanted to keep the door open. Not gonna happen.

 

[ZooCougar]

It doesn't pay the bills but I think it makes us look a little more prestigious as an add to a P4 conference. On Sunday, I was at a cookout and talking sports. One of the guys I was talking with thought that UConn wasn't in the ACC because we didn't want to leave the Big East. He and another guy concurred that we couldn't leave the Big East because we kill it in basketball there. I explained that was not our reality and that we'd gladly leave. Neither thought we should do it. The money situation was lost on them. Good publicity is probably more important than money for the next 3-4 years.

I think it would have made us look desperate and also more expensive should a better opportunity show up later on.

The rumors and these were just rumors is that when the PAC 12 was out recruiting schools they were lowballing everyone. This explains why they had so much trouble getting to the required number.