Maya, DT, Sue, Tina, et al and regret!

[Phillyconn]

Maybe you see frustration in SD because you keep shaking your head. It has been know to happen and cause other imaginative side effects.

Are you getting fresh with me? LocoHusky

 

[Bestiarius]

Solely from watching the games, (my general impression), the difference between Mo & Faris: Kelly was a great defender once her man got the ball. Mo was great in that her man rarely got the ball. Both were superior in their own way.

 

[mdakota]

When they were both in the game, who guarded SD? You're gonna make me watch the whole again.

Why wouldn't you want to watch the entire game... the ending is the best part I have watched it like 20 times and I love the look on the ND players.... warms this ice cold heart

 

[UcMiami]

Golly gee - you post a little funny thought that crossed your mind, and the thread morphs into a debate about two defensive players and becomes THE THREAD THAT WILL NOT DIE!

 

[meyers7]

It's a mute point... It's over... we can all agree that MoJet is one of the best to play at Uconn... but she wasn't a huge factor in the 2013 ND Semi Final game... Stewie was... end of story lets put this to rest now and go back to enjoying our 11th NC Peace out...

***Drops the Mic and walks off***

 

[GoUconn7961]

Some people act as if Barbara Turner and Ann Strother were not good players. Mind you one was 5 star and the other a 4 star. And Moore and other girl were great rebounders. So D also had a good supporting cast as well. Greater than Maya had in her senior year.

Please get it right and stop belittling the others or the players who were just considered role models with D. They were better than many are alleging.

Ann S. was a great sharp shooter from the 3. Jessica Moore bang the boards like a beast. And the rest Etc. And that's all DT needed. She did the rest. But she didn't do it alone.

Maya had 5 freahmans. Hayes was lost in space.

Stewie came in with great players...Good for her because winning 4 in a row took just that.

I agree w/a lot of your post. But DT carried that 2004 team. I'm sorry, no way they win that championship without her.

 

[malevocalist#]

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I agree w/a lot of your post. But DT carried that 2004 team. I'm sorry, no way they win that championship without her.

No one said she didn't carry them. But no way she win without their help either. Sorry...But her supporting cast was way better than Maya's. Way better!!!!!

And she had way more help in that final 4 than Maya.

Acknowledging those facts should Not be a problem. Except for the bias at heart.

 

[Wally East]

But her supporting cast was way better than Maya's. Way better!!!!!

Well, let's not be crazy. They were about equal. Just go back a page in this thread

 

[SHAHusky]

Moriah guarded Skylar almost the entire 1st half, she took her out of the game. You post a video, and can't see MJ guarding and frustrating SD? SMH

No, Moriah did not. Kelly did. Moriah was a freshmen then and was not yet developed into the point guard we know now and love. You made one point and are now making other points. Coco, i'm on your side. Moriah is a great player, but she had a little impact in the Notre Dame semi final in 2013. Kelly Faris shut down Skylar Diggins in 2013. Moriah was called for two fouls that she committed on Diggins, and helped Diggins more than shut her down.

 

[malevocalist#]

Well, let's not be crazy. They were about equal. Just go back a page in this thread

Crazy don't live here.

Not equal at all. I know talent and skills when I see it. Especially when one played the game for many years.

I stand sure on my assessments and won't change that fact period no matter what is added.

 

[Wally East]

I stand sure on my assessments and won't change that fact period no matter what is added.

FACTS BE DAMNED!

 

[malevocalist#]

FACTS BE DAMNED!

Theories are like clouds without water. Useless.

Facts are indisputable. So dispute on. I'm done.

 

[Wally East]

Theories are like clouds without water. Useless.

Facts are indisputable. So dispute on. I'm done.

Right, facts like what the four other players produced while playing with D and Maya. Maya's four produced about 4 more ppg (40 vs 44), about the same rpg (about 21 rpg), and about 4 more apg (7.5 vs. 11.5). So, you know, roughly the same.

 

[Deadrody]

Some people act as if Barbara Turner and Ann Strother were not good players. Mind you one was 5 star and the other a 4 star. And Moore and other girl were great rebounders. So D also had a good supporting cast as well.

The operative word being GOOD. Not first team All Americans. Big difference.

 

[Wally East]

The operative word being GOOD. Not first team All Americans. Big difference.

No one was a first-team All-American when playing with Maya, either.

 

[Deadrody]

Next four players for '03 after DT:
Jessica Moore, redshirt Soph, Parade High School All-American
Ann Strother, Fr, Naismith HS POY
Barbara Turner, Fr. WBCA HS All-American
Ashley Battle, Soph, WBCA HS All-American

Next four players for '11 Maya
Tiffany Hayes, Jr, Parade and WBCA HS All-American
Bria Hartley, Fr, Parade and WBCA HS All-American
Stefanie Dolson, Fr, McDonald's and Parade HS All-American
Kelly Faris, So, McDonald's HS All-American

Both groups were made up of four HS All-Americans (I'm sure I have missed some players making different AA teams). The only difference in experience is that Jessica Moore sat on the bench for a year as a redshirt but practiced with Swin, Tamika, and Ashja her first year at UConn.

Production:

'03 next four:
39.0 ppg, 21.7 rpg, 7.5 apg

'11 next four:
44.1 ppg, 21.0 rpg, 11.9 apg

A bit of difference in production but not much (except for assists, which kind of makes sense).

I think we can put to rest any idea that D played with a bunch of toddlers and kittens while Maya played with the Lebron, Jordan, Bird, and Magic at their peaks

You know you're making the point for the other side, right ? Which of those players won a title with that surrounding cast (not just once, but twice) and which one did not ?

 

[Deadrody]

No one was a first-team All-American when playing with Maya, either.

Yes, and they didn't win a title, either. I'm not even sure how Maya's group is even part of this discussion. Diana did something - TWICE - that no other player at UConn has done.

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that you can't pick either Diana or Stewie as #1 vs. #2. Stewie won 4, but with multiple other first team all americans on the team. Diana had no such luck and carried her teams to 2 unexpected titles. I would have put Diana on top, but Stewie carried her team as a freshman in the final four and Diana was a major factor in the loss to ND as a freshman.

 

[Deadrody]

FACTS BE DAMNED!

Indeed. Often wrong, but never in doubt!!

 

[Wally East]

You know you're making the point for the other side, right ? Which of those players won a title with that surrounding cast (not just once, but twice) and which one did not ?

It has nothing to do with "sides." Just putting up the facts and trying to correct the impression that people have that D won with four people who were barely awake let alone able to contribute.

As for Stewie vs. D? That's no contest.

 

[malevocalist#]

Yes, and they didn't win a title, either. I'm not even sure how Maya's group is even part of this discussion. Diana did something - TWICE - that no other player at UConn has done.

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that you can't pick either Diana or Stewie as #1 vs. #2. Stewie won 4, but with multiple other first team all americans on the team. Diana had no such luck and carried her teams to 2 unexpected titles. I would have put Diana on top, but Stewie carried her team as a freshman in the final four and Diana was a major factor in the loss to ND as a freshman.

Doesn't matter to me what D did anymore and yet it does because that record has been shattered by Stewie, Mo, Tuck and the rest of their supporting players.

Her record had been shattered. You can let it go now. You all can.

I respect 100% what D did. And Maya.

Sue had a better class than the Stewie....Thus adding D. That class to me should have win 5 in a row.

But why even debate to stroke a few egos here. They were all part of one great family. They love each other. They respect each other. Much as I can say for some fans.

 

[Phillyconn]

Pure Urban legend! Skylar did not own UCONN in her senior year. To Skylar's credit she beat UCONN three times by getting to the foul line and making enough plays to win
In those 4 games against UCONN Skylar shot miserably! Going 4:15, 11:31, 5:15, 3:15 Mostly because Kelly Faris was right there in her grill!

Ok, Skylar averaged 25 pts against us in ND's final 4 victories. Who was guarding her then?

 

[Phillyconn]

No, Moriah did not. Kelly did. Moriah was a freshmen then and was not yet developed into the point guard we know now and love. You made one point and are now making other points. Coco, i'm on your side. Moriah is a great player, but she had a little impact in the Notre Dame semi final in 2013. Kelly Faris shut down Skylar Diggins in 2013. Moriah was called for two fouls that she committed on Diggins, and helped Diggins more than shut her down.

I only watched the first half, so far. Mo played 7 minutes. She guarded SD. KF guarded KM. In those 7 minutes, SD did not score or have an assist. I remember one play, after MJ went out, where KF was guarding SD. SD shook KF, made an easy pass under the basket for an assist. SD was totally off her game that first half.
I will watch the second half.

 

[CocoHusky]

Ok, Skylar averaged 25 pts against us in ND's final 4 victories. Who was guarding her then?

Here you go again! Skylar score 28 and 19 points in two victories against UCONN in loses @FF. That would be 23.5 NOT the 25 you are claiming. In those FF she was defended by a combination of Kelly Faris , Bria Hartley & Tiffany Hayes, Caroline Doty & Lorin Dixon. Again you keep straying away from the main disagreement. Must I do all your fact checking for you?

 

[CocoHusky]

I only watched the first half, so far. Mo played 7 minutes. She guarded SD. KF guarded KM. In those 7 minutes, SD did not score or have an assist. I remember one play, after MJ went out, where KF was guarding SD. SD shook KF, made an easy pass under the basket for an assist. SD was totally off her game that first half.
I will watch the second half.

Good Lordy!
15:14 SUB IN : Jefferson, Moriah
ASSIST by DIGGINS, Skylar 08:22
07:51 SUB OUT: Jefferson, Moriah
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/040713.html#GAME.PLY

 

[Phillyconn]

Here you go again! Skylar score 28 and 19 points in two victories against UCONN in loses @FF. That would be 23.5 NOT the 25 you are claiming. In those FF she was defended by a combination of Kelly Faris , Bria Hartley & Tiffany Hayes, Caroline Doty & Lorin Dixon. Again you keep straying away from the main disagreement. Must I do all your fact checking for you?

It was 23.5, I thought it said 25, but close enough! A mere 1.5 doesn't make that big of a difference. Why all the combinations? Should have been just KF, right? MJ, needs no help.